Why Do Asian Students Get Better Grades Than Mexicans?

[¡Ask a Mexican!] And why do Mexican men get jealous when Mexican women date hombres of other races?

DEAR MEXICAN: I see lots of Mexican-Americans struggling in grade school and high school. Many Mexican-American activists claim it's because they don't speak English at home or the schools don't teach them well. But I see a lot of Asian-Americans in the same schools who do really well. Many of them also don't speak English at home. The last time I went to a hospital, it seemed as though Asians were 30 percent of all the doctors. I didn't see a single Latino one. Why is it that one group consistently does better than the other? I don't understand.

Clueless

DEAR GABACHO: Because Mexican students are stupid, while Asian students are geniuses—that's what you and your ilk want to hear, right? This pregunta always busts me up because no matter how many studies activists can offer examining the myths of model minorities and Mexican apathy toward academics—variables, educational background of parents, socioeconomic conditions of neighborhoods, the quality of schools, blah, blah, blah—Know Nothings dismiss the facts. That's not what they want to hear, and they don't even care about solutions to the education gap. So I'll just say it again to please ustedes: Mexican students are stupid, Asian students are geniuses. Happy? Of course you are! However, just because you wish something to be verdad doesn't make it so—and if you don't believe me, go see what happened to Mitt Romney's dream of Mexicans self-deporting.

Mark Dancey

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DEAR MEXICAN: Far too many Mexicans REFUSE going to the trouble of learning English. They often speak Spanish annoyingly loud in public. Sometimes, the KIDS speak better English than their PARENTS! And if they don't understand you, they just smile and say, "No, , no." What is that crap anyway! How about learning enough of our language to say, "I'm as proudly Mexican as you are American. Screw you, muchacho!" While this would be totally obnoxious, at least it'd be more HONEST.

Willy the White Writer

DEAR GABACHO: The kids speak better English than their parents—because they're Americans, while the parents are Mexicans. And those Mexicans are muy honest with you—or do you not hear them mutter, "Chinga tu madre, pinche gabacho feo apestoso" under their breath?

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DEAR MEXICAN: My boyfriend is Mexican, and I am a gabacha. Whenever my boyfriend sees a Mexican girl with someone of a different race, he gets disgusted and mad (especially when he sees one with a black guy). I've pointed out to him that he seems a bit hypocritical, since he's also with a white girl—but he says he makes an exception for me. Do all Mexicans feel this way, or is my boyfriend pinche loco?

Lover of Verga

DEAR COCK-LOVING GABACHA: Of course your guy is pinche loco—but so are all men of color. Hombres complaining their raza's women are dickmatized by gabachos while boasting about nailing gabachas is a trope as old as gabachos fearful that oversexed bucks and banditos were taking too many of their women. That said, I'm not going to dismiss the anti-negrito sentiment that still dominates the Mexican mind, especially when said negrito is dating a mexicana. Raza: We gotta drop anti-black thoughts from our community the same way we ditched Carlos Mencia.

 
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efrainrojas
efrainrojas topcommenter

But what does it mean to be Mexican? In most cases it is Native American (genetically asian) + European (caucasian). We're not some alien species. You are us and we are you. 

Brainwashed_in_church
Brainwashed_in_church topcommenter

Because the Asians that make it to the US are the top 0.01% of the Asian population: the doctors, the engineers, the wealthy, the educated. The average Asian is still back over there picking rice or sewing Nike shoes together in a sweatshop. Meanwhile, the typical Mexican is the poorest, most destitute, least educated Mexican who crossed the border and takes on menial work. The Mexican doctor or engineer is still in Mexico.

davidmiller
davidmiller

Mexican kids are NOT more stupid than Asian kids, it's just that Mexica parents too busy robbing, raping,stealing, gangbanging and doing drugs then educating their kids.

ked2000
ked2000

why Mexican woman are sooooooo fucking pig FAT? and man too! PIGS!

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Islap_DanaWhite
Islap_DanaWhite

Why do Mexicans burst into uncontrolled dancing when there's music? It's like a button is pushed and they all start dancing on que?  

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

Serious Question: There is an Egyptian person that is working at the same place that I am and I overhead him say the words fuck America and the United States then should that person be turned in to the authorities ASAP or have him investigated because he is due to go back to Egypt within the next month. He was talking to me and a few others about this ISIS situation overseas because he is from Egypt. I do not know if this person is here on a visa or whatever.

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

"Far too many Mexicans REFUSE going to the trouble of learning English".


That is because they are Mexican and not American, they were not born here unless they were born from the mother via the father that crossed the border in order to get here or married an American woman or the mother married or had sex with an American man. They only speak the language of the poplulation that they were inbred with. I only speak English and do not speak or understand any other languages and cannot translate them because I have not been around them in order to understand them. So maybe something is wrong with my brain that I am not aware of?

Is it natural selection or ?

RiddleyWalker
RiddleyWalker

Race and academic accomplishment is interesting for sure.  Who are the most educated and academically successful immigrants?  Wait for it-----Nigerians! Kind of blows the whole "Bell Curve" IQ argument away. Of course there is a lot of self-selection in this group. The "cream" of Nigerian society by and large are able to immigrate, the poor aren't. Educated Nigerians also generally speak English very well. There are also cultural factors such as not having the history of discrimination and abuse for 3+ centuries that African-Americans have had-- and the subsequent desecration forcing them into school where teachers didn't understand or want them and white students saw them as "stupid" and beneath them.  What factors hinder Mexican immigrants academically? I'm not sure, but I seriously doubt it's innate intelligence. 


What's hindering academic success of Mexican immigrants? My suspicion is that the language barrier is the largest (but honestly I haven't read any of the academic literature). Poverty is probably second. I suspect that the integration of Mexican immigrants and success academically equal to whites will take only 2,  or at most 3 generations. The barriers are really not that high for this group. And, yes, I'm a white male who wishes all the success in the world for immigrants of any group.


BTW, if Gustavo reads any of this, I would love to read more about the "Den-Mex" food he's mentioned elsewhere (being a Colorado native). I'm interested in the influence of "Hispanos" on Denver "Mexican" food and, well, I'm a huge fan of Denver "crispy" rellenos made with a won-ton wrapper. (ducks…) Yes, I love them and don't care who knows! That crispy shell with a roasted Hatch pepper inside stuffed with cheese and smothered with green chile is pure heaven! I didn't even know til my 30's that they weren't (scare-quotes) "authentic". 

joey
joey

NO HABLA......

gramene
gramene

My first husband graduated in the top ten of the top 10% of his class. My husband, ahorita, is just as intelligent. As a matter of fact, ALL the Mexicanos I know of are hard works and no one is a dummy. From where are you getting these statistics!? Also, when my father visited the country everyone was nice to him. There were even parts where he could go, uninhibited, & a white person could not.

Jeff O'Brien
Jeff O'Brien

I married a regia hermosa and I know there must be a lot of jealous Mexican guys. I struck gold.

ked2000
ked2000

@Greg what you say is all lies. why do you think Wetbacks come from Mexico illegally and get there citizenship? they do it so they can get welfare checks from the Government along with the lone star card. white people have a hard time getting help from the government and if they do manage to get help they receive very little help. get your facts straight beaner.


Theyre just genetically stupid. No work ethics. Lazy. Mooch off the government and theyre dirty. They steal. They lie. They cheat.


They depend on the government to support them? Really, because last time I checked so did we. It's called healthcare, social securitybank insurance, etc.


Mexicans are naturally lazy and stupid. you cant expect much from a mexican.


I'm sure that's what you mexicans want, so this place can be a shit hole like Mexico, that way you'd feel at home.. If the U.S. would ever belong to Mexico you'd be eating your words too. You would have to actually go to work instead of sitting on your lazy ass letting the government support you and let the Zetas cut your head off.

That's all you worthless mexicans know is violence, that's why YOUR country MEXICO is all screwed up!
Mexico will never amount to shit, just like Mexicans!

cynthia.curran8
cynthia.curran8

Well, it depends if Mexico allows minimum wage to rise. Places like Chile and Brazil Latin American power houses have twice the minimum wage over 300 a month while Mexico is about 160 a month. Not certain of this but I think its a good idea since the other countries mention above have done well economically by Latin American standards. They will still be folks in the informal market but let's hope some of the wages are moved up in Mexico. It makes it a little better for Mexicans there and of course slowdown immigration here.

Kimberly Grani
Kimberly Grani

I'm Mexican and I always got outstanding grades.

cynthia.curran8
cynthia.curran8

Article from Pew Hispanic on Puetro Ricians.Puerto Ricans have left the financially troubled island for the U.S. mainland this decade in their largest numbers since the Great Migration after World War II, citing job-related reasons above all others.

U.S. Census Bureau data show that 144,000 more people left the island for the mainland than the other way around from mid-2010 to 2013, a larger gap between emigrants and migrants than during the entire decades of the 1970s, 1980s or 1990s. This escalated loss of migrants fueled the island’s first sustained population decline in its history as a U.S. territory, even as the stateside Puerto Rican population grew briskly.

The search for economic opportunity is the most commonly given explanation for moving by island-born Puerto Ricans who relocated to the mainland from 2006 to 2013, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data.1 A plurality (42%) gave job-related reasons for moving stateside, compared with 38% who gave family-related reasons. Among all immigrants from foreign countries who migrated  The article mentions population falling because birthrates there are low around 1.8. I see this happening in Mexico as well moving out but birth rates falling. The article says the thing that makes conservative whites happy, Puetro Ricians moving more into Florida and Texas than New York. I predict Mexicans and Central Americans moving more to Houston and Dallas than LA, cheaper to live, he he he for conservative Republicans.

Truthteller
Truthteller

IQ, which is a function of your genetic make up, is the elephant in the living room that people are afraid to discuss because they will be called "mean" and "racist". 


Here's the truth: Asians, taken collectively, are smarter than Mexicans.  All the IQ tests reflect this truth.  And you don't need IQ tests to establish this---just look around you.  You all know it; you're just afraid to admit it.


It doesn't mean that Mexicans should be mistreated or that Asians are inherently "better"---only that being, collectively, smarter, you are going to see the results of that higher intelligence reflected in society.  It also doesn't mean that there are not very, very smart Mexicans who are smarter than some Asians.  But generally, that's just not the case.  It is also reflected in incomes, educational levels, and crime stats.

ked2000
ked2000

what do you call a house full of Mexicans?


.....JAIL


FloodOfBlood
FloodOfBlood

Once I asked my Asian friends what do they think of Asian girls dating guys from other ethnic group.  They said that only those girls who got rejected by Asian guys would date guys from other ethnic group.

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German Maldonado
German Maldonado

"Chinga tu madre, pinche gabacho feo apestoso " lol that's a good one

Santiago Graciano
Santiago Graciano

People who hate on women who date men from other cultures\ ethnicities are haters on general. If she was ugly you wouldn't hate.

Santiago Graciano
Santiago Graciano

Problems with Mexican kids not doing good in school is because most of their parents don't know the value of going to school. "Pa que va a la escuela.. Major pongase a trabajar.". Specially if parents only went to third grade. Also most immigrants who come to this country now come from money, and along with that an appreciation for education. Its changing.

Felipe Mejia
Felipe Mejia

Hijos bastardos de la Madre patria por favor eduquense, dejen de chelear y ver novelas, con razon tenemos un presidente Burro en Mexico :-\

Henry Ruiz
Henry Ruiz

It is cultural, social, and self-esteem. Too many of us have bought into the Dumb Mexican stereotype forgetting where we came from (primarily the Toltec) Our culture and heritage were stolen from us and we need to get them back. That is why education is important. Remember what Jaime Escalante did in East LA with "dumb Mexican kids"? They progressed from little knowledge of mathematics to advanced calculus!

RiddleyWalker
RiddleyWalker

@Brainwashed_in_church Absolutely! And Nigerian immigrants are also the cream of their society, and given the barriers to their immigration which are even higher than Asians, it's not surprising that those that make it here succeed.

gregbpc
gregbpc topcommenter

@tongue_twister_for_t Report him!  If he doesn't like it here, then fuck him!  What if he actually is a terrorist?  I get sick of these islamists bitching about the western world, but they all want to move to the usa or europe, buy their designer clothes, I-pads, BMWs,etc. and live in our countries.  Eff them!

Debaser7
Debaser7

@tongue_twister_for_t Expressing those sentiments, however obnoxious, does not warrant your calling the authorities.  If that wasn't the case, Gustavo would have been picked up long ago for expressing essentially the same feelings on a weekly basis right here. 

swagger
swagger

@RiddleyWalker @RiddleyWalker  "Race and academic accomplishment is interesting for sure.  Who are the most educated and academically successful immigrants?  Wait for it-----Nigerians! Kind of blows the whole "Bell Curve" IQ argument away."


Citation needed. Also, have you ever even bothered to read the Bell Curve? 


"Of course there is a lot of self-selection in this group. The "cream" of Nigerian society by and large are able to immigrate, the poor aren't. Educated Nigerians also generally speak English very well." 


Of course the "cream" of any society typically has the agency to succeed. Of course there will be plenty of successful immigrants coming from a population of nearly 175 million. 


"There are also cultural factors such as not having the history of discrimination and abuse for 3+ centuries that African-Americans have had-- and the subsequent desecration forcing them into school where teachers didn't understand or want them and white students saw them as "stupid" and beneath them." 


So much for "overcoming adversity."


"What factors hinder Mexican immigrants academically? I'm not sure, but I seriously doubt it's innate intelligence." 


Perhaps it's their native american genetic composition. 


"What's hindering academic success of Mexican immigrants? My suspicion is that the language barrier is the largest"


Yep, it must be "The dreaded language barrier," the same bugaboo that has held back the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Arabs, and Indians since Babel! (Only one of which whose first language bears even a remote resemblance to English)


"(but honestly I haven't read any of the academic literature)." 


As made evident by your ignorance of The Bell Curve. 


"Poverty is probably second." 


Poverty IN THIS CASE is a result of low intelligence. 


"I suspect that the integration of Mexican immigrants and success academically equal to whites will take only 2,  or at most 3 generations."


"The barriers are really not that high for this group."


Only about a 10-15 point IQ barrier. Nothing "too unmanageable." 


"And, yes, I'm a white male who wishes all the success in the world for immigrants of any group." 


And I'm a Hispanic male who recognizes genetic and cultural differences among immigrants of different groups. 


"BTW, if Gustavo reads any of this, I would love to read more about the "Den-Mex" food he's mentioned elsewhere (being a Colorado native). I'm interested in the influence of "Hispanos" on Denver "Mexican" food and, well, I'm a huge fan of Denver "crispy" rellenos made with a won-ton wrapper. (ducks…) Yes, I love them and don't care who knows! That crispy shell with a roasted Hatch pepper inside stuffed with cheese and smothered with green chile is pure heaven! I didn't even know til my 30's that they weren't (scare-quotes) "authentic"." 


Hey yew guise! I liek burritoes and whorechata! I guess that I consider myself "culturally enriched"

Islap_DanaWhite
Islap_DanaWhite

@RiddleyWalker  Look at the evolution of all the various cultures on earth...and the one thing that is found in all "groups" that evolved into sophisticated societies...is the technical capacity of the language.  For example, a maintenance manual for the F-18 would never be in Spanish - because there are 5 meanings for one single word! Opps! 

mexicaniqis50
mexicaniqis50

@gramene 


lol..please check your spelling and grammar before posting..you mexicans make it too easy to laugh at you

cynthia.curran8
cynthia.curran8

This means that white Republcians are going to have to worry more about Puetro Ricians and Mexicans and Central Americans more in Florida, the South and Texas about being smart or dumb.

Apsara
Apsara

@Truthteller  Don't get out of the basement much eh? The "Asians" you are attempting to generalize are as varied as, say..."Europeans". I know whereof I express, and speak read write several Asian languages. Chinese, Korean, Japanese, more URBAN shall we say, Asian people do very well in school. My family and friends from Cambodia, Laos, not so much. Unless they are ethnically Chinese. Some Filipino friends, in N. Cali, their families have stayed in farming. Some are Doctors. Africans who come to the U.S. from the diaspora or the homeland itself tend to excel in school here, unlike many African Americans themselves. Can you figure out why this might be, other than skin color? Too complicated and you won't like the truths you uncover.

tknight_69
tknight_69

"They said that only those girls who got rejected by Asian guys would date guys from other ethnic group". Sounds typical.

Apsara
Apsara

@FloodOfBlood  You asked the DUDES right? Ask the women, IF they'll talk to you. The answer won't be remotely the same.

mwoss
mwoss

That Jaime Escalante myth is so prevalent among the left but some real details are in order. There were only 10 kids in that story out of a high school that typically has over 4000 students. So the graduating class is over 1000 students. That means only 1% of the students were in his class. How much do you want to bet he didn't take the 10 dumbest kids?


If you take the accepted "racist" view that Mexican IQs are at an average of 88 versus the white 100 and that the standard deviation is 15 for both, then the IQs of those 10 were probably around 125 or above. Given that they studied after class and on Saturday's, it was no great feat for them to do high school pre-calculus compared to other students who likely only got their class time and homework to learn it. In fact it could be argued that they underachieved if they didn't do well.


This has been turned in into a myth by public policy types that ANYBODY can be taught anything. I doubt the bottom 10 of that class whose IQs would be in the 60 range could do any sort of advance math.

downtownbrown
downtownbrown

Thank god someone stole your heritage and customs or you'd still be cutting out people's hearts and throwing their bloody corpses down the pyramid stairs.


Oh wait, your paisas are doing that in Michaocan without the pyramid part.

Truthteller
Truthteller

"Our culture and heritage were stolen from us..."

Oh boy, here we go again with that staid, tripe Marxist pity excuse story. 

That comment is a bus stop away from blaming Whites for all of your travails, ills, and social pathology.  Where is my violin?


I always state: There are no bars are on our southern borders going outward.  The US is not a prison.

RiddleyWalker
RiddleyWalker

@swagger @RiddleyWalker

Oh, I'm very familiar with "The Bell Curve" and racialist theories of IQ in general. I hope you're also familiar with this article by Ron Uz: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/race-iq-and-wealth/ pointing out some of the big problems with one of the premier "racialists", Richard Lynn's, theories. I find it interesting that Richard Lynn in the 70's was so concerned about the low IQ of the Irish that he felt a eugenics program was necessary due to their IQ as a group of 87. Fast forward to the present and the IQ gap between the Irish and the British has closed with the Irish IQ now around 100 and the economic situation has changed dramatically. How would Murray explain that I wonder? Turbo-charged evolution perhaps? I suppose you think that sort of IQ gap is also insurmountable for Mexican immigrants. ..Eugenics program anyone? Really sad…

gramene
gramene

@mexicaniqis50 @gramene No soy Mexicana. Yo soy de Los Estados Unidos. One thing I did well in was English! Since "we're" being nit picky, have you ever heard of capitalizing your sentences?!

mehiconoesbueno
mehiconoesbueno

@whhackett3 


lol.. another internet genius... hey, i have an IQ of 201 and i look like tom cruise.. hard to believe?  well, its as believable as your idiotic anecdote

Truthteller
Truthteller

@Apsara @Truthteller  "Don't get out of the basement much eh". You do know, at your age, that in argumentation, that is what we call an ad hominem attack, which is generally regarded as a concession to the opponent's side:  When you can't address an argument directly, attack the opponent's (alleged, in this case), character.


That having been said, I spoke of generalities, which we all engage in.  For instance, people may avoid a certain area at night because of the crime rates---not that everyone in who lives in that locale is a criminal; in fact, most are not.  But the propensity or likelihood of being a victim is greater. It doesn't mean that victimization for crime doesn't occur in the safest areas, just that it is statistically less likely.  @Aspara: It's call a generality.


Yes; Asians (and Jews, for that matter) score higher than Mexicans, taken collectively, on standardized tests. 


Now, please site me one statistics, from a generally (there's that word again!) accepted source that would demonstrate otherwise.  I only need one.


Source, name, website, anything.


And please, leave the personal attacks aside.  Especially at your age.

 
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