Why Are Mexican Men So Flamboyantly Gay?

[¡Ask a Mexican!] And why don't Mexicans learn English in Mexico?

DEAR MEXICAN: Why do some Mexicans expect us to learn Spanish instead of them learning English? (NOTE: I did say SOME, not most or all!) I'm offended whenever I am ASSAULTED by listening to anything in Spanish on phone menus or see it on forms that I have to fill out. It's even worse to run into someone that I need to talk to and can't because they can't speak our language. (Yes, this has happened to me; it was extremely embarrassing to have to get a female interpreter so I could tell a male janitor about a problem in a men's restroom that he needed to know about. I never bothered the janitors at that company again.) If Mexicans or other Central or South Americans know they want to come to our country, hopefully legally, they should start to learn English when they make that decision, so they can communicate when they arrive. I will never even visit a country without knowing at least a little—and probably a lot—of their language. I expect the same respect from visitors to, especially residents of, this country.

Frustrated Native Citizen

DEAR GABACHO: What I take from your question: Your caca clogged the toilet at work, you felt more comfortable telling one person about it than two, so you took it out on the Mexican. Sir, your shit does stink—it's okay! Mexicans forgive you! As for insisting we learn English before coming into this country—the super-majority of immigrants to this country have never done so, so why should Mexicans be any different? Besides, Mexicans planning to come to this country are more worried about how to raise thousands of dollars to cross la frontera than learning the 56 meanings of set.

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DEAR MEXICAN: I'm one of those gabachos who fell crazy in love with everything Mexican. I have extensive travel experience in Mexico and happen to be a gay man with plenty of exposure to the gay scene in Mexico and Latino USA. While every country has its share of cross-dressers and trannies, there seems to be special emphasis on this in gay Mexico. Travesti shows are de rigueur at Latino gay bars on both sides of the border. It seems to me the prevalence of traditional gender roles in Latin American society pushes gays to think they have to adhere to these butch-vs.-fem categories, as if you have to be one or the other. Your thoughts?

Wondering About Juanga

DEAR MARIPOSA: Drag shows only at Mexican gay bars? You must not visit many gay bars. But I agree with you that, at least historically, the only acceptable way to express homosexuality in Mexico was of the fa-laming variety. It synched up with Mexico's eternal Madonna-whore complex and let machos on the down low feign surprise when they got a soplón by said travesti à la the protagonist in the Kinks' "Lola." And Mexican lesbians? Mexicans always thought the only one who ever existed was Frida Kahlo—and she was okay because she was a transvestite. But nowadays, mature, healthy expressions of homosexuality in Mexican culture are on the rise, both in the motherland (gay marriage is legal in Mexico City, and LGBT couples are increasingly challenging bans through the state and federal courts across la patria) and in el norte. As I always say: Mexico's always a generation behind the U.S about everything, so expect an LGBT-friendly Mexico around the same time we get into New Kids On the Block.

 
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Genia Ackworth
Genia Ackworth

Jerry, when's the last time you worked with a group of refugees? Immigrants? I have and from assessment the kids say they are tired of being taken out of school to translate for appts and so many other things. In the medical field it is ill advised to translate thru a kid in the first place. How about rural areas, with no interpretive resources at all but people still have needs? Yes, it makes a lot of sense. Just because you don't agree with it is a moot point. Many languages, yes. No one is saying to stop speaking your native tongue.

GUS_HAS_BUNNY_EARS
GUS_HAS_BUNNY_EARS

Dreamers/immigrants get $50,000 in cal grants, why middle class American students have to take out $50,000 in student loans. For 15 years after graduation, the Ameicans have to service the loan while the dreamers/immigrants save $75,000 and can put a down payment on a home. IT'S NOT RIGHT. IT IS BETRAYAL OF THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS.

Jerry Vazquez
Jerry Vazquez

In canada they spek diferent languages and there doing good as a country. Also your reasoning makes no sence. This is a country of many languages and one of the best so your argument is flawed.

Brainwashed_in_church
Brainwashed_in_church topcommenter

I asked my priest about this and he said the devil is in control of these people. He also told me  that, even though I only make $9.69/hour, I should go ahead and go for a seventh kid.

Genia Ackworth
Genia Ackworth

Many immigrants never or barely learn the new language of the host country because they insulate themselves in their communities. Various languages are wonderful but we can't live like the Tower of Bable in one country regarding public matters. We'll never accomplish anything. I've been to and lived in other countries and learning the language is a must.

DonAlbertoDoyle
DonAlbertoDoyle

1) Gay marriage is actually legal nationwide, per repeated Supreme Court rulings -- if you get married in the DF, or any of the several other states that have sanctioned it, you're legal everywhere.  Not to be pedantic, but the dominoes seem to be falling as frequently as they are in backwards-assed American states such as Idaho and Oklahoma.  It's essentially legal everywhere, even if the marriage itself can't be performed there.

2) Yeah, the Swiss have four languages on their currency, and all speak English as well; the Belgians have everything translated into French and Flemish; Quebec has everything in two languages; Turkey has everything in Turkish and Arabic; nearly every Balkan citizen can speak four or five languages; and let's not even start with China and India, with thirty or more languages commonly spoken.  And hey, Idiot Who Can't Suffer Hearing Syllables They Don't Understand: 90 percent of the impoverished oppressed indigenous in Mexico speaks a minimum of three languages, their own, Spanish, and English -- so evidently 40 million desperately poor peasants have an intellect that dwarves yours, you stupid pinche pendejo cabron.

tortuga
tortuga

Failure/unwillingness to learn English is just another myth about today's Immigrants.  I refer you to the Fresh Air NPR interview, June 1, 2006 of linguist Geoff Numberg in which he said ". . .all the evidence suggests it takes recent immigrants a generation or so less to learn English than it took the Germans, Poles or Italians of the early 20th century" and "Surveys show that 90 percent of Hispanic immigrants say that English is necessary to succeed in this country . . ."  "Right now there are 20,000 people on waiting lists to get into English classes in Massachusetts, . . . and so on down the line."

Eddie Hernandez
Eddie Hernandez

Most of us immigrants leave our countries in search of a better life, that goes for everyone, chinos, indians, europeans and us hispanics, no one got on a boat raft or in a trunk worried about how to pronounce hamburger, we did know 2 words though "work' and "money". I do agree that we need to assimilate in order to better our lifes and our kids, but if you pick up the phone and you hear a message in spanish just ignore it and move on with your life, If you are so much better than us then it shouldnt bother you. In fact youre lucky that the janitor doesnt speak english or he'll probably be taking your job.

Victor Ortega
Victor Ortega

that poor us "native" is never going to visit another country

Keith L. Blackburn
Keith L. Blackburn

Going to some new place without knowing the language? That's half the fun of traveling...

Ana Alicia Tristan
Ana Alicia Tristan

Have you ever asked yourself why companies even offer assistance in Spanish? Could it be that companies have so much data from all across the US and know who is spending money in their companies? Componies are not going to invest in what doesnt bring a profit. Osea HELLO

whateveryousay
whateveryousay topcommenter

It's only gay if you make eye contact...  Not that there's anything wrong with that.



Diana Duran
Diana Duran

Why are some people so bothered when a phone line or service offers information in Spanish? In Europe, when you visit any business or place of interest you can get information in Spanish and several other languages. This is the same in many other parts of the world. We need to catch up!

Jose Moreno
Jose Moreno

Adam Medina - isn't the whole planet homophobic?

KevaRosenberg
KevaRosenberg

Maximo!  That luchador is all kinds of awesome.

Lynn Maners
Lynn Maners

I'm sure you know the old truism that the most homophobic types are the ones denying it in themselves (see:any number of public figures, politicians, religious types). Cultures are like that, as well...

centrifuge909
centrifuge909

Let me ask the same question but in a different way - why do Hispanic immigrants who have actually learned English insist on pretending that they don't know a lick of English?

Francisco Gr
Francisco Gr

Is that enough English 4U fucking cagon???

Adam Medina
Adam Medina

I always thought it was odd. Especially from a culture that's so homophobic, these cha cha queens are the result

BillxT
BillxT topcommenter

Waa, I saw a word in spanish on a government form last week. How am I to deal with the humiliation?

When I come in contact with non-English speakers I'm certainly not about to try to extend my education by practising a language other than English, the holiest of laguages.

I know for a fact that every U. S. expat goes out of their way to learn the language of their adopted homes and take every opportunity to interact with the local culture.

BillxT
BillxT topcommenter

This smacks of lying by telling just enough of the truth and then shutting up. Would you care to share some links to authoritative sources to prove me in the wrong?

centrifuge909
centrifuge909

Actually the Indian guy that I work with had to pay $5,000+ for a work visa and also learn English before he was granted access to this county. Same goes for all immigrants who choose to take the legal path to citizenship.

memovolta
memovolta

@centrifuge909 To avoid having to talk to idiots like you.

Dave_Lieberman
Dave_Lieberman

Like in Ajijic, Mulegé, or San Miguel de Allende, Mexico, where the de facto language is English, or in Tijuana, where if you call customer service at Telcel (the cell phone company), you'll hear, "Gracias por llamar al centro de atención a clientes de Telcel. for English assistance, press two."

centrifuge909
centrifuge909

@memovolta
Well if they really need to know how to landscape my property, they should probably talk to me.

BillxT
BillxT topcommenter

So the dichotomy is between low-income and middle income students as opposed to "illegals" and mid-income students. Tell just enough of the truth and shut up. You apparently believe that we should should shut out the "Dreamers", who by the way are a small portion of those receiving the aid, and marginalize them, providing a fertile source of recruits for the gangs and drug cartels. Yah, that would be to our benefit. Or we could give these folks a little hand and help them become taxpaying productive participants in our society. It's obvious that the middle class is getting hammered, maybe you shoud quit voting TeaBagger.

BillxT
BillxT topcommenter

You'd be amazed at what they get by people by feigning ignorance.

GUS_HAS_A_BIG_BLACK_
GUS_HAS_A_BIG_BLACK_

@BillxT maybe you should read the post. first of all, dreamers/immigrants are newly arrived low income people…whereas low income Americans are part of our long standing culture and we choose to help them. In the dreamer/immigrant case…this is new poverty that has been hoisted upon us.


Regardless…'a little hand' are you kidding me? Up to $50,000 in Cal Grants while Ameican middle class students graduate with $50,000 in student loan debt? Do you think it's right 'dreamers' are purchasing houses 15 years into their career while American middle class grads are barely paying off debt? 


My solution is that middle class family contribution is capped at $5000 per degree and then all Cal Grants are evenly divided among all students. From there each student has to take on loans to cover the rest. This way each student graduate with equal debt and equal promise.


a little hand you've got to be kidding. where did I say 'shut out the dreamers'? stop making things up. you have the mentality of a 9yr old.

 
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