Do Mexicans Think of Themselves as Latinos?

[¡Ask a Mexican!] And why do Mexicans love shitty pop music?

DEAR MEXICAN: I like reading your articles—they are funny, sad, insightful, crude, serious, even a little provocative and antagonizing at times. One thing I find a little antagonizing is the use of the term "Latino" as a synonym only for "Hispanic"; certainly yours is not the only forum in which these two terms are used interchangeably. I've noticed you tend to favor "Hispanic" quite a bit more than "Latino"; thank you for that.  While I may sound racist by making that remark, I am actually trying to raise cultural awareness and combat racism. I see it everywhere, and its use is absurd and has become ubiquitous. The Latins, as a people, culture, language and tribe, came from ancient Italy. On employment applications or government forms, the race/ethnicity section doesn't include anyone other than Hispanics as synonymous with Latin(o). Where is the room for us Latin-Europeans? Us Italians, or French or Portuguese? As Italian-Americans, we rarely even get associated with a culture that came from our own land! See how racism can take many forms? Most aren't even aware of it! Thanks, and hope to hear back from you.

Livid Latin Lover

DEAR GABACHO: While I appreciate you regularly reading my columna, methinks you're not poniendo much attention. If I ever use "Hispanic" in this column, it's usually in disparaging terms, as that's a creation of the Ford administration. I barely even use "Latino," since this is a column about Mexicans and only Mexicans (with the occasional jabs at coños, carajos, conchas and catrachas, of course). All of this said, I agree with the spirit of your letter and urge you to direct your ire not toward Mexicans, but rather intellectuals. It was 19th-century French intellectuals, after all, who promoted the idea of a Latin America in opposition to Anglo-Saxon America in France's eternal struggle against the English. It's the love of anything French that drove intellectuals in Spanish-speaking countries in that era to warm up to that idea of pan-Latino identity in their eternal struggle against gabachos. And it's gabacho intellectuals up here who bought into that idea in their eternal quest to categorize Spanish-speaking folks as subhuman, carrying on a clash of civilizations that goes back to the Spanish Armada trying to kill Good Queen Bess. Don't believe the Latino hype: Mexicans will only consider themselves Latinos for welfare, Hollywood roles and affirmative action. The rest of the time, we're puro mexicanos, cabrones.

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DEAR MEXICAN: It has come to my attention that when I watch YouTube videos of 1980s music, whenever I sample a lot of the Italo songs, a lot of Mexicans comment on the videos. Basically, anything from Patrick Cowley, Rofo or Mike Mareen would have Mexicans commenting, mostly to give their memories of that era. My question is how did Italo dance/hi-NRG became so popular with Mexicans, at least the Mexicans from Mexico? And don't forget in more recent years "El Pollito Pio" and "Macarena."

Interested Dance Music Fan

DEAR GABACHO: Don't forget "Vamos a La Playa" ("Let's Go to the Beach") by Righeira, a danceable tale of nuclear holocaust along the coast covered by Los João and immortalized in Lola la Trailera, the Mexican Smoky and the Bandit, except with more murder and mujeres. And you can even toss in "Eva Maria," a 1960s ditty by Spanish pop group Formula V. Point is, Mexicans love synth-heavy pop dreck—embarrassingly so. Sometimes, great music comes out of this amor—witness grupero groups such as Los Barón de Apodaca or Bronco, pop geniuses such as Los Bukis, or "96 Tears" by ? and the Mysterians, the greatest song in human history. But most of the time, it's just terrible—look at Timbiriche or whatever youth group Televisa is placing on a telenovela. Italo dance and 1970s- and 1980s-era Eurodance falls somewhere between great and grating, which means Mexicans will dance to it. Hell, Mexicans will dance to anything—what else explains the popularity of Maná?

 
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jumpingkokanee
jumpingkokanee

I have a hearing loss since birth that makes it difficult clearly saying  the "ess" sound and I can also stutter when tripping over tough words so I avoid Hiss-panic,,,

also H can be a tricky one as well  so if I HAVE TO describe someone by race out-loud RARELY.. I ...(back in the day Chicano was  easy and that was before I moved to Arizona) prefer Latino or Latina 

gtnoriega
gtnoriega

We continue to think of ourselves as Chicanos.

jimgilchrist
jimgilchrist

Dear Readers,


The term "gabacho" is used regularly in this section of the OC Weekly, apparently to describe Caucasian persons in a very degrading manner.  It appears to be equivalent to the referring to Black people with the "N" word.  


Below is the definition of gabacho according to Wikipedia: 


Per Wikipedia:

In Mexico, "gabacho" refers to Anglo people of non-Latino decent. Sugar cane leftovers after chewing (usually spit out garbage) and usually white.


In the United States, the word is a pejorative term used mainly by Chicanos (and by extension, American Hispanics) for White Americans.



Using such words is both socially unacceptable and despicable.  It also creates irreparable division and mutual hatred between certain ethnic groups that comprise the USA.


Jim Gilchrist, Founder and President, The Minuteman Project

Sean Chavarria
Sean Chavarria

Soo true. My labor s will change my country misic to listen to 102.7 and be listening to justin beber or other lame kid music.... Never understood that

TheresanRudy Guzman-Duenaz
TheresanRudy Guzman-Duenaz

Mike Frenes old school Mexican dad never allowed us to call ourselves anything else even though we are American born...a true Mexican NEVER goes against old school Mexican dad, mom, tia, tios, or abuelos unless we wanted the chankla thrown.at us...so there you go :-)

merlinlacy
merlinlacy

Dorcie Lacy:   I attended the LAUSD  during 1940 to 1953.  We started the day in elementry school with Buenos Dias.  We danced the Mexican hat dance at all of the school/PTA  get togethers  and

yes, people were anxious to include the Mexican people and we had started many years before 1960.   Viva  Mexico /

Kristina Ahmed
Kristina Ahmed

Gustavo Arellano: I NEVER EVER use the word "Latina" or "Hispanic" in reference to myself or other known Mexicans; its just disgraceful, I feel like it somehow implies embarrassment or shame of being Mexican-which I am NOT. But sometimes I honestly can't figure out what nationality a person is: Ecuadorian, Guatemalan, Peruvian, Cuban, Puerto Rican...ect....so isnt there another term that can satisfy a broad grouping of my brown people not from European dissent?

Raya's House Hudson
Raya's House Hudson

I'm Mexican and I love ALL music including natural sounds :) I a music lover, I'm not just a fan following ONE path in music.

OC Weekly
OC Weekly

We answered that back in 2005—you can look it up!

Mike Frenes
Mike Frenes

Morrissey IS THE BEST EVER HANDS DOWN!!!!! British singer popular with so many Hispanics/Latinos..whatever. I never understood why.

Mike Frenes
Mike Frenes

Some. It depends on the term you prefer. Latino to me seems like a term someone white invented so I usually go by "Hispanic" which is broader and probably also invented by the white man..lol Also, people need to stop calling themselvez Mexicans unless they're from there. No, your parent being from there doesnt make you that. Its a nationality not a race.

Diane Loya
Diane Loya

Los Tres gallos. Enough said. Y que?

Otis Denim
Otis Denim

The same reason they don't inspect tomatillo purchases !

Dollene Dicaza
Dollene Dicaza

Come on losers before you criticize or make fun of others let me know you are perfect and don't give me the old cliche " where is your sense of humor?" GO AND LAUGHT OUT THE OLD WOMAN AT YOUR GETTHO HOUSE....

Michael Brendan Lujan
Michael Brendan Lujan

OMG. Accordians and trumpets. No no no no no no no. Ima hijack a mexican wedding and play Luciano (Official Page) and Ima make those cowboy hat paisanos dance they asses off.

Robert Borger
Robert Borger

Why do they dump the trash from their car in gutter?

lonhall
lonhall

pues, si no son latinos ni hispanicos, son pinches cabrones? Hey, the label don't matter. The content is excellent! Great food, warm hospitality, morenas lindas, etc. And the problem is?.....

Louis Mata
Louis Mata

Yes. Someone please explain the whole Morrissey pendejada to me.

gabriel.madrigal
gabriel.madrigal

I haven't thought about Lola la Trailera in ages. And for the record, Maná have seen better days.

Ascary Morera
Ascary Morera

Yes I agree Mexicans listen to shitty music 99% of the time, purro chedo music crappy polka. Come on Polka thats not hispano

Erk Audelo Leon
Erk Audelo Leon

Son preguntas demasiado amplias. Escuchen lo que les venga en gana, en cuanto a música. Los Mexicanos somos simplemente eso, Mexicanos. No somos pochos, chicanos, latinos, hispanos, etc...nos gusta ser "Mexicanos" y nos da orgullo heee, por si acaso ja, ja, ja.

Brenda Avila
Brenda Avila

"Hell, Mexicans will dance to anything—what else explains the popularity of Maná?" Hahahaha

Juan Espinoza
Juan Espinoza

Sadly today's music sucks ass compared to the past. Narco corridors ? Wtf is appealing about the same freaking two beat same lyrics songs. Garbage! Give me the synths or Javier Solis anytime over today's trashy fads. Hell even the fucking Macarena...

mmorante1
mmorante1

I've been around a long time and I've seen and done a lot. In the thirties there was an organization around that called themselves "Hispano-Americanos". So I think they have been around a long time. But it seems that people nowadays think this is all new. Not long ago some know it all said that the Cinco De Mayo was first celebrated in Sacramento in 1960. We were celebrating El Cinco in 1930's in San Diego. My mother was the program chairman and the rest of the family participated by dancing the "Jarabe", singing and playing in the Tipica orchestra. The orchestra was composed of violins, guitars and marimbas. No trumpets or guitarrons.


Of course mother was determined to celebrate this day because her father was a decorated hero of that battle.


                                      Manuel Morante







Daniel Castor
Daniel Castor

Mexican music these days is garbage, from the Duranguense that butchers classic songs to the narco-embracing corridos

Daniel Castor
Daniel Castor

Corridos pesados actually were popularized in LA, and most singers these days grew up and live here, which pisses off alot of Sinaloenses for making their state look bad.

batgirl0406
batgirl0406

@jimgilchrist yes it is and the word Chicano is also very insulting. if you read the origin, it was meant to be a degrading term to mexicans by white Texans. This is why I don't let anyone call me anything other than Latin. I'm not going to allow someone to catagorize me into a group just because they feel like it. I'm a human, no need for labels.

HUUUGE_JOHNSON
HUUUGE_JOHNSON

@jimgilchrist  Indeed. odd that the people who come to a country over the last 30 years to escape poverty and lack of food for their children…."an act of love"…would treat the American people with such disdain.

BillxT
BillxT topcommenter

Good Latino's what? Cars? Homes? Wives? You need to learn to complete your sentences.

sellm_i_stuff
sellm_i_stuff

I assume you have no clue about music genres. Anyhow, most of the noisy, annoying crap labeled as "music" with lyrics in spanish heard in the US, is made in the US and largely disowned/unknown south of the border. 

batgirl0406
batgirl0406

I don't understand why people feel like American born latins with Mexican parents are mexican's. unless you have a citizenship from Mexico you're not mexican. American's are people born in America who have citizenship. Same goes for all other Citizenships and Nationalities. The world sees us "mexican americans" as just americans. I don't see why Americans can't. It's great that you don't put labels on people. Because were humans. If someone asks me what "race" I am..... I reply...HUMAN!

sellm_i_stuff
sellm_i_stuff

I mark other and in the little line, I write my nationality.

miztuhx
miztuhx

@mmorante1  For a history of the Cinco de Mayo celebration in California (which goes back to 1862!), I suggest you check out Dr. Hayes-Bautista's "El Cinco de Mayo: An American Tradition." 

 
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