Why Do First-Generation Mexicans Hate on Second-Generation Mexican College Students?

[¡Ask a Mexican!] And is a Mexican mosh pit different from an American one?

DEAR MEXICAN: Why is it that many first-generation Latino students are so quick to judge and alienate second-generation students just because their parents went to college and are able to afford a little more? This happened to me recently. People treat me differently and think I will look down on them, yet I grew up in the barrio and never acted as though I was higher than them. The only difference with my life is that my parents went to college to give me a better life. Why does that have to affect how I'm treated among other Latinos?

Pocha Pero No Pendeja

DEAR WABETTE: I turn the columna over to Jody Agius Vallejo, sociology professor at USC and author of the magnificent Barrios to Burbs: The Making of the Mexican-American Middle Class, for which your humble Mexican wrote the intro. Take it, profe! "Many first-generation Latinos (meaning they are foreign-born) are quick to judge some second-generation Latinos like you because they themselves are constantly judged by middle-class Latinos. Most people mistakenly assume Latinos exhibit ethnic solidarity and that everyone gets along. However, the Latino population is not monolithic, and divisions exist depending on national origin, generation, and whether you are upper-, middle- or lower class. These divisions are exacerbated by American society (especially the media and racist politicians), which homogenizes and stigmatizes Latinos by portraying them as uniformly poor, unauthorized and uneducated.

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"Despite these stereotypes, there is an established—and growing—Latino middle class. But middle-class Latinos must deal with these disparaging stereotypes in their everyday lives, especially when they are mistaken for unauthorized immigrants or when people assume that they are uneducated simply because they are Latino. Thus, middle-class Latinos, especially those who are disconnected from the immigrant struggle for upward mobility because they were raised in middle-class households by college-educated parents, often attempt to distance themselves from immigrants as a way to deflect discrimination. This distancing behavior is nothing new and is seen among all immigrant groups, past and present, and is indicative of the American assimilation story. So, I suspect that some first-generation Latino students anticipate that you will look down on them, and they thus snub you before you can (in their imagination) snub them."

The Mexican's advice? Tell the haters que se vayan a la chingada. And now you know why Vallejo is an acclaimed professor, while the Mexican teaches at the College of the Calles.

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DEAR MEXICAN: I recently went to a heavy-metal show for a band from Spain called Mago de Oz. The show was at the LA Sports Arena, and the two opening acts were local Mexican heavy-metal bands, so needless to say, the majority of fans at this show were Mexican metalheads. I work in the music biz, so I go to my fair share of both Anglo and Latino concerts/shows on a regular basis. One thing I notice is the differences in mosh pits at hard rock, metal, punk, ska and similar kinds of shows. In any Anglo mosh pit, it looks as though the fans are trying to kill one another, often leaving people severely injured. But Mexican/Latino mosh pits seem to be composed of fans locking arms and dancing with one another, with a no-man-left-behind kind of attitude. Can you explain why there's so much brotherly love in the mosh pit when, in the outside world, it seems as though Latinos love to bash and cut down their fellow paisas?

El Vampiro

DEAR VAMPIRE GABACHO: Not necessarily true. Go to a concert by Brujería, the most hardcore metal group of all time, authors of the single greatest stanza in history—even Gershwin couldn't come up with something as beautiful as "Matando güeros/Ricky Ramirez style" ("Killing white people/Richard ["The Night Stalker"] Ramirez style")—and see what part of your spleen won't get crushed by your appendix.

 
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lonhall
lonhall

Y pq los latinos crean q nosotros gabachos losodiamos?! Ooops!! Pq la mayoría de mis pinchis gabachos no saben nada de la cultura y la gente de latinamerica. Pobrecitos!

Un Pinchi Gabacho Que Los Gusta Mucho a Los Latinos

Roberto Hamilton Blackburn
Roberto Hamilton Blackburn

No, my question is why are there are second generation mexicans that don't know spanish even though their parents speak it at home all the time.

Santiago Nicolas Aguilar
Santiago Nicolas Aguilar

Mago de Oz is hardly the type of gut-wrenching extreme-metal that would make people in the mosh pit try to kill each other... they're like the Spanish Iron Maiden.

Rodrigo Mojica
Rodrigo Mojica

Actually we are culturally different of each other, even though we share the same rooths. I know this first hand as someone who has lived half of my life in Mexico and the other in the US. I've also experienced in both countries the social, cultural, financial, educational, behavioral, professional, etc. similarities and differences in and of both groups.

Gerardo Martínez
Gerardo Martínez

because they speak Spanglish... Speak proper English or Spanish. Oh and the mosh pit go to a Rock Concert in Monterrey, Mexico City Guadalajara you are gonna get your ass kicked.. thats the difference.

jamiepizza99
jamiepizza99

it's not just the college thing when the Mexicans have conflicts, but so many other trivial crap they will fight over.. cars, girls, music, towns in Mexico they never saw, makeup, homes, each others kids, and so many more if I where to really think about it.. You don't have to be Mexican to know what being a Mexican is like if you lived in California all your Life..You Mexicans call everybody else racist kinda like how the blacks do, anyways, We see all your drama and know what's up.. We see how the chicanos call the Mexicanos ''wetbacks''  more than the Nazi skinheads, how older cholos with big mustashes try to start fights when they drink a few beers, older Mexican ladies in tight clothes that no way in hell fit them with 20 kids, get ghetto crazy on the Younger Way Hotter Latina Beauties especially if she's wearing bling and super style, how the older ones say ''learn your roots!'' although most of them never been to Mexico... although the drama can be ridiculously funny, it's also a Big challenge ahead in America for all of us....

.I wish I was born between 1910 to 1920

Shana RC Cola Cisarovna
Shana RC Cola Cisarovna

I don't know about the mosh pit thing, but there is anger between 1st gen and 2nd gen Latino students. The judgement, however, starts way before college, maybe at earliest recognition at middle school.

JustAnObserver
JustAnObserver

Life gets better in the 3rd and 4th generation. Then you can respond with Gaelic slurs. Just Kidding Of Course!

Larry Ynman
Larry Ynman

Damn that's me. My mom not only went to college and graduated but she then took me and my brother away from the inner city and to the suburbs so we could have a better life. But some people treated us different because of it. I didn't even know this situation had even been recognized.

Tammy Osuna-Burton
Tammy Osuna-Burton

I have had issues, yes. But all I care about is getting respect and receiving kindness. 1st gen. , 2nd gen., who cares. Its about quality.

armandocdll81
armandocdll81

Legitimate Latino Americans would be well advised to distance themselves from the illicit Third World rabble seeping through our southern border and swelling the nation's poverty ranks.

ytranch08
ytranch08

Hey folks, Vince Neil from Motly Crue is half Mexican! ha ha. He doesn't act it. Go figure, so should the rest of us who have been in these parts of Old Spain.

downtownbrown
downtownbrown

So the mexicans like hate music that advocates a race war?  Tell us something we didn't know already.

Iris Estrella
Iris Estrella

I was born en D.F. & brought here at 5 y/o. I am neither from aqui o alla. Speaking both languages perfectly & greeting everyone with a smile & enthusiasm has really helped put the haters to love that I don't hate. Hating is for the immature. Grow up! Gracias for reading this ;-)

targetmedia
targetmedia

my daughter looks gringo, speaks gringo, lives in a gated community in south OC goes to a pretty high-end Catholic school, father is Sicilian/Irish from Long Island-but her mother was born-and-raised in Veracruz and is fully bilingual (in fact her mother was asked more than once when she was little if she was the nanny by other Mexicans!)...moral of the story-don't assume anything!

Raul Rene Garcia
Raul Rene Garcia

First of all.... there is NO SUCH thing as pocho or chicano. At least not en mi diccionario. Ademas en realidad no tiene la mas minima importancia si eres Mexicano viviendo en Estados Unidos o Mexico. Lo que si es una realidad, es que la mayoria se sienten mas y mejores que que todos.

Maredith Goodin
Maredith Goodin

Roberto Rivera you're technically first gen I guess but still

Lisa Mendoza
Lisa Mendoza

I've never heard of Mexicans talking about ourselves as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or whatever generation. Acceptance of vulgar terminology (minority, sub-culture, Latino) and concepts as having relevance outside academic discourse is one of the downsides of education. If you don't understand what I'm saying, try to remember the last time a Gringo labeled another Gringo based on how many generations they have been in this country.

Jody Agius Vallejo
Jody Agius Vallejo

To all questioning their generational status, first generation refers to the foreign born, 1.5 gen are the foreign born who migrate before age 12, second gen are the children of immigrants, and third gen are the grandchildren of immigrants. Yes, boundaries are certainly drawn around language, especially because Latinos, like all other immigrant ethnic groups, linguistically assimilate over the generations.

Mabel Cavanagh
Mabel Cavanagh

I don't think it's a Mexican thing, I just think that no matter what you do in life, haters are going to hate!

Adiel Hernandez
Adiel Hernandez

Its because they lack culture ! We discriminate each other thinking were better then each other because of a foreign language . Thinking this European language are ours and knowing either one makes you superior . Were brainwashed by European mentality and are separated by stamps like , "hispanic and Latino " making us belive were a different race . Most of us consider Latinos and Hispanics from people of Mexico , central , and South America . As if Hispanic or Latino is a race but Is not . Theirs 4 types of races , European Caucasian , African negroid , yellow Asian , Native American brown , which of this are we ? ... Well 92% of us have full blood or mix of indigenous, we are born in this continents so we are Native American ! Hispanic is a term. Used for Spaniards and Latino are Italians ! We are Native Americans ! So learn culture so we stop hating each other . We're not European !

Ascary Morera
Ascary Morera

Out here in Colorado you get Chicanos who DON'T claimed to be Mexican but Espanol or french, but they do like eating green chili and their browner then shit.

Elda Rubi
Elda Rubi

My son did not speak English at all until age 6. It changes when they go to school. I still speak to him in Spanish but most times it's just easier to community communicate in English since I think in English. We do have "Espanol porvafor" days when we only speak Spanish.

Jazmin Gonzalez
Jazmin Gonzalez

I'm 1st gen and I speak, read & write Spanish fluently and with no accent. I'm proud to speak it too! I dont have children, but if I did, I'd make sure they were also fluent!

Diana Griffin
Diana Griffin

I am second generation from my parents born here, my grandparents make sure we were American and Mexican too. I was born during a time speaking Spanish in school was frown a upon by our schools. So we never learn Speak Spanish.

Elda Rubi
Elda Rubi

What is first Gen. I was born here...I thought I was first generation. I think if you speak the language you are treated very differently not to mention your experience in the barrio is very different. I wonder if Pocha speaks Spanish with out a heavy accent. As I college educated, struggling to stay middle class, mother living in the barrio, I see what my son goes through in the predominantly Spanish speaking community. Very different experience from mine. (He speaks Spanish with an accent.)

Joel D Gonzalez
Joel D Gonzalez

You would get a little of everything. While in school some Some liked us some didn't. They would criticize us for speaking Spanish. But in the end it was a familia.

Milla CK
Milla CK

Mexican Horror Story:Botanica!

Juan C. Rodriguez Vazquez
Juan C. Rodriguez Vazquez

Heiy gabacho, when brujeria play matando gueros's song, go to enjoy el pinshe slam and then talk us of youre experence... Ha ha ha

Victor Salas
Victor Salas

I've seen the hate come from all sides, even among 1st gen Mexicans -especially Fresas vs. Nacos. You get hate if you're Chicano/Pocho or even god forbid you don't like Futbol. Hell I get flak for being a Hockey fan. smh As for the Pit. Just like any show, it all depends on the type of crowd you're in. Luckly I've always been in the "no man left behind" crowd when I've moshed, but those brutal "free for all" pits, good luck! RoTfLmFaO!!! \m/ >,

Ramon Carbajal Jr.
Ramon Carbajal Jr.

I'm confused as to who is considered 1st gen. Can u plz clear this up for me. Gracias

lulislo
lulislo

@lonhall Pendejo/a.  Regresa a tu puto barrio o pais ... pendejo

Fabian
Fabian

That's because they don't like being associated with being Mexican. I myself know a few who take pride on how white their skin is...lol.

jamiepizza99
jamiepizza99

@ytranch08 now it makes sense..with some of their songs like ''Wild Side'' , ''Dr Feelgood, and kind of like with ''SOS'' except he's talking about a Filipino girl in that jam.

downtownbrown
downtownbrown

@ytranch08 Vince Neil has been busted for multiple DUIs including the fatal crash that killed Hanoi Rocks drummer Razzle?  I'd say he's keepin' it raza real.

asthetruth11
asthetruth11

@downtownbrown  No No ,that would be the GABACHOS with their stupid "death metal" Neo Nazi bull shit that passes for music for people like you...heh heh!

BillxT
BillxT

Bilingual children score higher on intelligence tests. There are other documented benefits to biligualism (learning a third language becomes much easier, ...). I hope you continue to make the effort.

IllyrianRoots
IllyrianRoots

"we never learn peak Spanish"??? Lady, first learn to speak and write English and proper syntax for that language, and only then worry about Spanish.

armandocdll81
armandocdll81

If you are here illegally - you are first generation. If you are an anchor baby - second generation. 

asthetruth11
asthetruth11

@downtownbrown @ytranch08  Kinda like that GABACHO punk 16 year old driving shit faced and killing four people while maming two other and used "affluenza" to get off scott free! I guess that's that's "keepin' it real" GABACHO STYLE right asshole?

downtownbrown
downtownbrown

@GustavoArellano Its a long row to hoe calling you out on your racism and double standards, but someone has to do it.  "Killing whitey" is pretty obviously an exhortation to hate crime and you know it.

BillxT
BillxT

@armandocdll81 and apparently you would have us all believe that if your parents were from England or Germany instead of Guatemala, you're an idiot.

rgrajedavenzor
rgrajedavenzor

@armandocdll81  If you were born in Mexico, you're a Mexican.  If your CHILD was then born over here, they are 1st generation.  I believe my father-in-law was 1st generation, his son was 2nd generation and my children are 3rd.  If my father-in-law was born in Mexico they all move up one, with their father being 1st generation.

 
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