Should Mexicans Still Get Affirmative Action?

[¡Ask a Mexican!] And why doesn't the U.S. acknowledge ethnic groups from Spain?

DEAR MEXICAN: I work for one of those progressive companies. Most of the gabacho bosses are actually pretty cool . . . at least while your back isn't turned. There are a few a-holes, pero there will always be a few; they've got gigs lined up in talk radio. Sabes que, what drives me bananas is when the company puts "initiatives" together to at least try to advance nuestra people in the company, bring more of nuestra people in, get us more edumacated, whatever. Then a lot of nuestra people are asleep at the wheel—they don't take advantage/contribute/get involved. Then the next time I hear from them, all they do is bitch, whine and complain about how the man is against them/us or ridicule the "initiative." Who peed in their Cheerios? What's up with the cynicism? Ching-gauh (spelling?)! I want to say something to them, but I don't know what.

Edumacated Mexican Who Doesn't Know How to Spell "Ching-Gauh"

DEAR WAB: Essentially, you're saying affirmative action is bad—you do realize you're identifying with the a-holes at work you don't like, right? But I hear you—you don't want pendejos taking those slots because it brings down la raza. If you're as edumacated as you think you are, have you risen enough in your company to be able to determine what raza moves on up and what raza continues to work the mail room? The Mexican feels diversity initiatives are still important to put Mexis in places they've never had access to before (hell, that's why this column exists), but el truco for those running such programs is to identify the young talent available that will benefit everyone as opposed to merely filling a slot with a warm body—otherwise, another Clarence Thomas might happen.

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DEAR MEXICAN: I have always wondered why the U.S. makes no distinction between Hispanics of Basque, Catalan, Galician, etc. descent. I follow Spanish soccer, and when I watch the matches of teams from the País Vasco, Catalan and the Galician country, I see different languages and cultures. Why are all these people grouped into one in the U.S.? Please explain if you can.

Barça Bastard

DEAR GABACHO: This is ¡Ask a Mexican!, not ¡Ask a Gachupín!, but let's do a Messi and kick a golazo with this. The U.S. Census does distinguish those of Basque descent because their numbers in this country (especially in California, Idaho and Nevada) have been big enough to warrant such attention. In the San Antonio region, people can still trace their heritage to pioneers who came from the Canary Islands in the 18th century and set the roots for what ended up becoming Tex-Mex cuisine. And students of California history know there was a big Majorcan influence in the Golden State's mission system because most of those pervert padres came from the largest of the Balearic islands. Among Mexicans, there's at least a knowledge of Spain's different ethnic groups because of recent migration and the songs of Agustín Lara hailing regions from Granada to Valencia. But you're asking about why the U.S. lumps all the Spanish ethnic groups as one, and I quiero you to repeat that question to yourself slowly . . . get it? It's the United States we're talking about, a country that grouped Sicilians, Calabrians, Neapolitans and Tuscans and labeled them Italian, one that'll put a Oaxacan, a culichi, a Chicano and Hispano together and call them all a bunch of dirty Mexicans.

 
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griffinmichael
griffinmichael

In fairness, a lot of Italian immigration happened at the time the peninsula was unifying under Garibaldi--so some of the mixing was happening in the old country! Ditto Germany. As far as I know, Mexico has been technically united all that time (nearly as long as the US) but it's not hard to imagine technological advance (both transport and media) serving much the same cause in Mexico as Nationalism in the previous waves.

Heck knows that's been happening here in the US!

Some of the mixing- in all three waves- was also the result of people from different parts of the old country settling in the same neighborhoods and working for the same employers. They not only had to unite against their respective know-nothing nemesi, they also had a chance to try aspects of each other's art, culture and cuisine to gradually for a mixture.

whatevas
whatevas

Affirmative Action, what minorities want when they are not qualified to do a job.

elguesa
elguesa

The reply to the first question does not seem to address what "chingado" is asking, which is how to address the attitude of the people who are supposed to benefit from affirmative action, which he sees as problematic. He is not "saying affirmative action is bad"; in fact, to my (apparently not insightful enough) reading of it, the author sounds quite supportive of the program, and is, potentially, a beneficiary of affirmative action (though he does not say).

downtownbrown
downtownbrown

Why stop at affirmative action?  Why not give them all their own short bus and a translator so its not so haaard for them to buy a lotto ticket?

armandocdll81
armandocdll81

Mexicans don't need affirmative action. They need their own damn country! 

Brigido Silos
Brigido Silos

Kyle Anthony Brown sad part is many people will think you are lying or are an impostor that's how this world works

Henry Ruiz
Henry Ruiz

Everyone needs to be educated especially the poor. Unfortunately the rich elites keep the rest of us down. The fact is the poor are oppressed irrespective of race, color, sex, and age. This needs to stop.

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young topcommenter

Cesar Romero and Richardo Montalban were leading men in Hollywood mainstream movies in the 1950s. Pancho Gonzalez was a star in the ‘white’ sport of, uh, tennis, back in the 1940s and ‘Super-Mex’ Lee Trevino was a very successful ‘person of color’ golfer long before Tiger Woods. California had a Hispanic governor in the 1870s. 


Fact is ‘Mexicans' have very rarely been denied access to anything -- certainly not good employment opportunities. And the majority of Latinos here in the US came (or their parents or grandparents came), long after the ‘Civil Rights’ movement. There is simply no reason they should get ‘affirmative action’ which was designed to help people who really had been discriminated against and worse, and whose ancestors were here before the polity was founded.

kaiser28
kaiser28

In the late 60's, the SoCal utility I worked for established quotas. (They denied there were quotas, and referred to them as "guidelines".) One day  I saw my supervisor almost in tears, and asked what was wrong. He said that he had had to be twice good as anyone else to get promoted to management, and that from now on everyone would think he had gotten the job because of his Mexican heritage. 

ussaisapolicestate
ussaisapolicestate

I H A T E fooking SPANGLISH and the uncultured yahoos that use it. It's NOT funny, it's NOT cute. People who use Spanglish do so because they LACK the necessary skills to communicate in EITHER language.

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young topcommenter

"It's the United States we're talking about, a country that grouped Sicilians, Calabrians, Neapolitans and Tuscans “


Uh, no, that was Girabaldi and Mazzini, and before that Machiavelli, and I’m pretty sure that even before that Dante Alighieri.  The vast majority of Italians arrived in this country during the horrid Ellis Island era, long after Italy was a unified republic. The same is true, of course, of Mexicans.

Larry Cope
Larry Cope

Si yes absolutely watch who is making thoughs Grants ???

Kyle Anthony Brown
Kyle Anthony Brown

I, as a "poor white, first generation college student," was a recipient of Affirmative Action at UCLA (It granted me admission, but I still had to make the grades and graduate.) I knew many middle-class "Mexican" students who were recipients as well, including one whose father was a banker in Mèxico. Although it was created to help mainly poor students, many middle-class minority students found ways to take advantage of Affirmative Action, thus leaving poor minorities without access. Yes, "Mexicans" still need Affirmative Action, but let's make sure it's reserved for those who truly need it.

DonAlbertoDoyle
DonAlbertoDoyle

For several years I worked at a well-known financial institution that had, to its credit, tried to recruit more women and minorities into its workforce in the late 70s and early 80s.  Some of these recruits were not quite ready for prime-time; not their own fault, of course, but they lacked the educational advantages, work experience, fancy summer internships, etc., that the trust fund WASP boys had all enjoyed.  So by the mid-80s, the company found itself in the unenviable position of showing promotion stats that seemed to favor white men over women and minorities.  Hence they began initiatives to promote women and minorities.  Who might have had lower "ratings" than other candidates.  Naturally this provoked a fair bit of grumbling.  But here's the thing: the corner offices were jampacked with the scions of old Wall St. families, the sons and nephews of clients, the gladhanders and backslappers, the golden boy Ivy athletes, a great many of whom received miserable ratings as underlings.  The Good Old Boy network was still very much alive.  Nobody complained much about these good-looking blonde trust-fund brats receiving the greatest Affirmative Action of all.  Yet, a woman or minority receiving a promotion for which they were perhaps not the most qualified drew howls of protest.  Interesting, that double standard, and how we view the term Affirmative Action.  Dubya getting into Yale with sub-1100 SATs?  No problem.  A poor black kid with 1300s?  Well that's just not fair, it's an outrage, cuz most white kids need over 1400!!!  I'll guarantee you that in almost every large company in America, for every one minority candidate getting a hand up, there are two dozen rich WASP underachieving party-boys warming chairs at much higher salaries.

Jose Bermudez
Jose Bermudez

In Bakersfield, some of us Mexicans claim Basque only because we want to take credit for their food too :) if you ever get down there get to Noriegas Hotel for some damn good comida vasca. And Woolgrower's, Chalet Basque, Benji's, Narducci's..

Erk Audelo Leon
Erk Audelo Leon

Solo al leer la primer pregunta con tanta jalada de "spanglish" me dió dolor de intelecto jajaja, simplemente horripilante. Ojalá nunca se les ocurra escribir un libro con semejante mama......

Frank Zamora
Frank Zamora

Ay Dios mio for Gabachos because I went to USC.

Brainwashed_in_church
Brainwashed_in_church topcommenter

Mexican Americans don't need affirmative action but politicians need Mexican American votes.

downtownbrown
downtownbrown

@elguesaIs this the first time you have read Gustavo's "writings"?  He is known for evading the questions asked and instead addressing a completely different topic. 

gtnoriega554
gtnoriega554

I would agree because that has been my lifelong experience, ie, there are many things that divide people, but the most powerful one is money.  People who have enough money can buy just about anything and anyone.  People without money suffer a great deal.  Money is power and the more money you have, the more powerful you become.

armandocdll81
armandocdll81

The poor also need to stop having too many children. In many cases one is too many.

UofSC93
UofSC93

What year was this?  Since Prop 209, UCLA and Cal have been dominated by two races.  The Mexican who had a banker for a father did not get in via Affirmative Action.

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young topcommenter

@DonAlbertoDoyle You’re just jealous. White folks built great institutions and countries. You built...Mexico and a few taco trucks.

UofSC93
UofSC93

Me too - fight on!  And it was great to go to a university that honors diversity.

gregbpc
gregbpc topcommenter

Gustavo might even see himself in the video!

downtownbrown
downtownbrown

@TheRefriedMexicanEasy, one's hopelessly fucked up and violent (mex), the U.S. is rapidly becoming so due to the massive influx of criminal-raza.  Where will you go for a better life now?

asethetruth11
asethetruth11

@Mitchell_Young OH man..BITCH YOUNG is back?? Who will we here from next? Diamond "DOG SHIT"?? or OC "MEAT" CURTIANS? White folks are the reason this planet is burning up ASSHOLE!! The world has to clean up after you shit for brains once again..tsk tsk tsk..

49erfan05
49erfan05

@Mitchell_Young words from a real idiot this country was made from immigrants so were are your parents from I have a multi cultural family including mexican, black ,white and from iran so I feel for every race that needs help and not ignorant like you and try to say we are the best

UofSC93
UofSC93

@Mitchell_Young 

No Mitch, I guarantee you that we are not jealous of you bland food, weak music and inability to keep a hard on past the age of 18.  Please identify the rich white culture you descended from - I bet you're a mutt, at least we can trace and honor our backgrounds.


atviflav
atviflav

@downtownbrown I didn't realize that all white people were descendants of Germans/Austrians.

UofSC93
UofSC93

@downtownbrown@UofSC93 Only when I sit under my cactus with my huge sombrero and bottle of tequila.  Nah, never had the patience for tubas and accordians, is that blowing your small ignorant mind?

downtownbrown
downtownbrown

@UofSC93Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven for three.  But I guess your narco-corridos are more impressive to you?

 
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