Sergeant Scott Montoya's Strange Fall

Fired OC deputy claims sheriff's department punished him for winning Navy Cross in Iraq War combat

"USERRA creates a protected class for Sergeant Montoya and those like him to ensure they return to their lives free of the rumors, harassment and hardships he endured," Kyle stated. "OCSD deliberately and maliciously ruined Montoya."

He is seeking financial sanctions against the department for failing to retain or purposefully destroying related Montoya records after officials had been put on notice about a potential lawsuit; Bernal last week asked U.S. Magistrate Judge Robert N. Block in Santa Ana to rule on the request, which OCSD protests is meritless because any missing records were innocently obliterated.

The former deputy, who is focusing on a Kenpo karate teaching career in Los Angeles County, did not respond to email requests for an interview, but the sheriff's department continues to fight his discrimination claims.

While OCSD had Montoya under surveillance, he was hailed a hero in a Torrance parade
Mark Mauno
While OCSD had Montoya under surveillance, he was hailed a hero in a Torrance parade
Montoya’s Navy Cross won national media attention and the wrath of fellow deputies
LCpl. Daniel J. Redding
Montoya’s Navy Cross won national media attention and the wrath of fellow deputies

"After extensive discovery, [Montoya] still cannot provide any evidence that OCSD deprived him of any employment benefits due to anti-military animus," wrote Rossiter, who is also seeking summary judgment on the county's behalf from Bernal. "In contrast, OCSD favored Montoya's military service over and over again—nearly to the point of ridiculousness—causing strife with his co-workers."

Rossiter also noted that the veteran-loaded OCSD was honored in 2011 by the U.S. Department of Defense, which awarded the department the Freedom Award for its generous support of employees called to serve in the Armed Forces.

In his view, Montoya's lawsuit is misguided for a simple reason. Fellow deputies didn't harass him because he was a war hero or a veteran. Instead, explains Rossiter, they just didn't like him, and the law "does not protect someone from being disliked."

Such a stance disappoints Kyle, an accomplished Marine veteran. He has his own definitive explanation for Montoya's situation: "OCSD remains unrepentant."

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Brhiono2014
Brhiono2014

Unlike most people reading and or commenting on this article, my family and I have know Mr. Montoya for about 27 years; having family that has studied martial arts along side of him as a youth and also having sons and grand sons of my family be taught by Mr. Montoya. Along with that, my family and many in it have many years of Law Enforcement experience; A life that not many people understand.

My whole life, Mr. Montoya was some one I always looked up too, someone I loved to go watch work out, study and compete... on the martial arts level. Outside of the martial arts world, where Mr. Montoya was revered; he was an amazing person, just part of the family you would have over for back yard bar b q's or light fireworks with on the 4th of July.

There are a couple things I want to point out that no one else has thought of or had the balls to admit.

1. No one is perfect by any means, and the first person who claims to be a saint, is a liar! Anyone who has done or said something bad, wrong or inappropriate and had what they said or did blown way out of proportion knows that 95% of what is said is false or way over exaggerated.

2. If you have not been in, or been Law Enforcement, then you have no clue! Law Enforcement is a different breed of people. Yes they are there to protect and serve, and 90% of them are damn good at what they do. They are not there to be your best friend, they are not there to hold your hand and make you feel better. No, they are there to keep you from the evils of every day. This is something that not every person can do, that is why roughly 30% of those hired in the field of Law Enforcement don't make it through their first year; they cant handle the life style and demands the job has to offer. A lot of the people they hire and make it are the ones who have the type of traits that are not always desirable, but they are the ones who can be counted on to get the job done; In the good times and the not so good time. The ones who can stand to be hated by almost everyone, because they are looked at as being a joy kill.

Everyone knows how guys act around other guys... It is most of the time, sexual in nature, and this is not just in Law Enforcement. But in Law Enforcement, sexual comments and jokes are just part of the everyday life.

Also, EVERYBODY knows the age old saying... "ladies love a man in uniform" and when I have heard some woman talk about what they would want to do to a cop or fireman, it makes me blush. Every cop knows this, and every woman knows they know it, and trust me, they both use it to their advantage. Unfortunately, some woman or men, that's just not enough, they want more; and when they cant have more, it becomes an obsession and that obsession becomes a vengeance.

The other side is jealousy; this is very ramped in the Law Enforcement community . Any time someone is getting more attention than you or they are getting more recognition than you, or what ever it is that you are envious of; that person is going to be under the scrutiny of the entire department.

And finally, there is the politics of Law Enforcement. When someone rocks the boat or goes too far the desires of the department, the department WILL find ways to deal with you. Weather it is falsifying document, lying to make you look bad, starting investigations with out you knowing or with out cause, just to find any reason to give you the boot.

No body knows what happened or did not happen except God, Mr. Montoya and those involved, and until it is proven other wise, I will continue to stand up for and pray for Mr. Montoya and his family. Because I know the love and support from the family and friends around him are over whelming, but also so can be the comments and criticisms of those who have read this one sided article, that was obviously set out to brain wash those who read it.

End of rant

We love you Scott, hang in there.

timzmail04
timzmail04

I know scott personally this guy is one of the best dudes I have ever met , a war hero and a role model we love you scott, you will always be considered a brother

OCreader
OCreader

Personally, I think there are a combination of things going on here. First the other sheriffs are definitely jealous of the attention he is receiving, and that may be why they just plain don't like him. 

Second, I believe they exaggerated a lot of his behavior. We all know cops back up cops (see pages 1 & 2) in fact, this very article says "As our local prosecutors learned during several probes into police corruption in the past decade, some cops are readily willing to lie under oath, falsify official documents or hide incriminating evidence for a corrupt colleague". It also goes on to say "deputies strenuously tried but failed to undermine Montoya's Navy Cross; raised questions about his Camp Pendleton superiority and sniper skills; speculated that the tragic death of his fiancee" (basically trying to scrape up some dirt), and that they had ""assumptions" he was dangerous, a declaration used to justify placing secret cameras at his home and GPS trackers on his vehicles, as well as monitoring his phone calls without warrants."

"He is seeking financial sanctions against the department for failing to retain or purposefully destroying related Montoya records after officials had been put on notice about a potential lawsuit". "Which OCSD protests is meritless because any missing records were innocently obliterated."

Really? You "innocently obliterated" them? AFTER being notified of the lawsuit? Seriously. Who knows what really happened, the interesting part will be seeing what kind of EVIDENCE they will produce in court. Will they have recordings of him perverted conversations? Of him talking to a child molester? Do they have the phone records? Witnesses that will testify? Any proof other than hear say or he-said/she-said statements?

Keep us posted OC Weekly. You are doing a dam good job!

anonymous31
anonymous31

Funny how an article could make some one look so bad. I'm sure the person that wrote this doesn't know all the facts and the truthJust believing lies they've received. Pretty much everyone that's gonna read this is gonna believe he's just a bad person and talk sh*t behind a computer screen or their phone like they know him so well. When in reality they don't and most likely never will.People shouldnt talk sh*t unless they know what really happened .

frankshindler
frankshindler

the investigators came out to my house twice in 2009 and once in 2010 and questioned my niece who at the time was underage and didnt have partent concent. they basically forced into saying what they wanted to hear witch was a bunch of lies. 

he  wouldnt do any of those things he was accused of.

oh by the way he actually did answer the calls that he got .

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

"Confidential law-enforcement investigatory files labeled Montoya inexplicably, a sexual superman with extraordinarily large genitals and Energizer Bunny stamina ... while the deputy complained about the department not taking his hostile-workplace claims seriously, IA began to monitor his every on-duty move in secret ... there's additional evidence the department was on a mission to collect as much dirt—substantiated, wildly reckless or tangential—as it could accumulate. Incredibly, IA deputies even probed Montoya's sex habits and made detailed records ... Failing to retain or purposefully destroying related Montoya records after officials had been put on notice about a potential lawsuit"

If true, the entire Internal Affairs division of the Orange County, CA Sheriffs department should be fired with the main culprits sent to bunk with their former colleague Mike Carona. One night in my Bogota hotel room I saw a story on the local news where they fired the entire traffic division of Bogota - I guess it was simpler to just start from scratch instead of trying to figure out who were the honest few. And of course, my thoughts turned homeward. 

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

"Using federal grants, several Orange County entities—including the district attorney's office, school administrators, Anaheim Police Department and the OCSD—helped create a Gang Reduction and Intervention Partnership (GRIP) in 2007 to address the festering issue of truancy." 

The other reason I refer to this Orange County law enforcement community as a "revolving door of criminal insanity" : having seen gang members used to commit crimes for them, it's clear to me that the "concern" about gangs is superseded by the "concern" of receiving lucrative federal grant money for pay and toys. 

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

"Not once did he receive a substandard performance evaluation from OCSD."

"Why OCSD officials—who doubted Montoya's character—would make him the GRIP officer is a mystery."

This isn't a mystery to me Mr. Moxley. It's yet another indication of the criminal contempt OC law enforcement has for the Hispanic community here. Dump what you claim to be a potentially violent cop into the Hispanic community? This is what I refered to as the "revolving door of criminal insanity" at the city council meeting. Of course, this claim of "potential violence" is up for debate - no substandard performance evaluation yet you track him 24/7 out of a concern for violence. 

God this stinks! . 

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

"Instead of siding with him, department officials often backed his tormenters through inaction, and then unfairly terminated him from his dream job, Montoya claims in a pending federal lawsuit."

"probably to inflict scarring embarrassment on Montoya, OCSD has released large portions of its usually top-secret personnel files on the deputy."

From Frank Serpico to Adrian Schoolcraft/Adyl Polanco/Robert Borelli (1971-2013) the disgraceful backstabbing hypocrisy continues. Cops trying to do the right thing by turning in criminal cops -------> getting destroyed by fellow cops all the up to senior leadership. A behavior equivalent to the Catholic church leadership covering up the criminal acts of little boy sodomites while pretending to have a direct pipeline to God himself; caring more about their gig than the victims of criminal disgrace.  

Brief warning: Having studied the Christian religion in Catholic schools for about 9 years, having been an altar boy for several years who actually considered the priesthood briefly therefore taking the studying of the bible a bit more seriously than the average bear - people engaged in this sort of hypocrisy better pray that there is no Judeo-Christian God because if there is - YOU ARE FUCKED! 

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

"Early life as a deputy is apparently akin to joining a fraternity. New members get the crappy tasks, such as watching inmates all day, and older, more established members abusively haze the plebes, particularly the ones they don't like."

What an extremely mature and professional group of men and women you have there Sandra Hutchens. Especially the senior members involved. All we need is someone like a Christopher Dorner type already in the stressful job of a deputy to then have to deal with a bunch of immature adult bullies at the shop. Spectacular way to foster a psychologically safe environment for their safety and the safety of the public.

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

"Public Safety Officer's Procedural Bill of Rights (POBR), a law that grants cops special rights designed to hinder investigations into an officer's alleged criminal or unethical conduct.Law-enforcement agencies are prohibited from informing the public about dirty or incompetent officers' conduct as well as what, if any, disciplinary actions management imposed. In other words, departments can hire unfit cops, ignore wrongdoing and keep citizens clueless about the men and women who are given deadly force, invasive investigatory and arrest powers in the state. On a day-to-day basis, police bosses and rank-and-file cops appreciate living in this mutually satisfactory cocoon of minimal public accountability."

Thanks to the idiots who pushed for this legislation POBR - you have successfully converted many in your California law enforcement community into mafia trash criminals who think that they can look at their victims as if they were the criminal. 

The American people are going to soon discover that their law enforcement community are the next Bernie Madoff / pedophile church / Wall Street con like fraudulent scandal. 

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

"It is despicable that OCSD can denigrate a man's heroic service to his country. It is even more despicable that OCSD expects this conduct will go unpunished."

"someone desecrated a city of Buena Park award Montoya received for his war service;" 

"they used Montoya's veteran status and sniper skills as key "assumptions" he was dangerous, a declaration used to justify placing secret cameras at his home and GPS trackers on his vehicles, as well as monitoring his phone calls without warrants."

"But, according to Montoya, the Navy Cross honors also sparked the wrath of fellow deputies who resented his celebrity. They hazed and heckled him for years." 

The OCSD has no respect for the residents of Orange County - much less war heroes. Vile pettiness is a central theme with this agency and others in Orange County law enforcement. One of the owners of the company I was working for was a WW2 hero - German prisoner of war - who tried to join the army before the age of 18. Went on as an engineer to participate in our space program via Rockwell. This Sheriffs department and everyone else in OC law didn't give a rat's ass and harassed one of his vital employees anyway. This real American never learned how his law enforcement community betrayed him.

So again: OC law showing disrespect to war veterans - been there done that.


18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

"some cops are readily willing to lie under oath, falsify official documents or hide incriminating evidence for a corrupt colleague. As long as an officer remains a loyal member in their fraternity, police-agency management and law-enforcement union bosses religiously shield cops who've screwed up from public scrutiny or accountability."

Anyone who engages in this behavior was never a cop. It's why I have used the phrase "mafia trash criminals". And least no one in the mob would expect to receive awards and commendations for their behavior from mainstream society.

Luke Vafiades
Luke Vafiades

This was a pretty good article that presented a lot of different sides and let the reader decide. Very interesting story.

sweetliberty17761776
sweetliberty17761776 topcommenter

So THE UNION , the masters- at - arms for the Leftist Democratic contro$$ed party, have made protecting the police so airtight that firing or investigating them is as difficult as having Obama recite the Constitution


whose to blame?


The "village"??


NOPE,


its YOU 


YOU SELF HATING LEFTIST RACISTS who are willing to sacrifice liberties and all just so you can have total control


and then you same people be atch when LEOs get out of control



18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

Montoya's version of the story is 100% consistent with my 15+ years of experience with this Sheriff's departments and several other police departments. The gathering together in conspiracy to harm a person. To deliberately damage a person's reputation with others. The tax wasting time and effort devoted to the despicable affair. The doubling and tripling down on the disgrace. And finally, the endless number of cowards from top to bottom who look the other way.

artpedroza
artpedroza

Obviously this guy should be running for Congress.

Enginerd
Enginerd

It's interesting that the author mentioned several times that other deputies thought Montoya's Navy Cross was exaggerated or even a lie. Perhaps a better journalist would have asked himself if there was any merit to these claims and called anybody from the unit he was attached to. Had he done this he would have heard the same thing over and over: Montoya took credit for actions performed by several other Marines. He didn't do anything more exceptional than anybody else that day, if he did anything exceptional at all. If you want to see smoke come out of someone's ears, ask the company 1ST Sgt. or the company Commander about him. Look, if everybody in his departmen thinks he's corrupt, perhaps that is something to consider.

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter5pts4 hours ago

Itpar: Did you read the article where our military soldiers were teaching the Afghani's "Hygiene Techniques" (that's laughable and comical)  

 Didn't read the article, but back in 2004 I was working under contract to the U.S. Department of Justice in Afghanistan managing the Police Training Program.  We were having a problem with Afghan students squatting on the toilets and using rocks to wipe their ass.  As part of the  hygiene class, the instructor brought a toilet into the classroom and the students were taught how to use it.  When you live in a primitive culture and yes, even America was that way in the early days, you learn to survive in the environment at hand.  Even with 80% of the Afghanistan students being iliterate, they were enthusiastic about learning, liked the American trainers (Tailban infiltratos excepted) and we made considerable progress with them. The people were friendly, focused on taking care of their families and no different from Americans, except having to do it on a shoestring.  I look forward to the opportunity to go back to Afghanistan and once again work with the people there. 

tongue_twister_for_t
tongue_twister_for_t topcommenter

Police officers are usually highly protective of one another. As our local prosecutors learned during several probes into police corruption in the past decade, some cops are readily willing to lie under oath, falsify official documents or hide incriminating evidence for a corrupt colleague. As long as an officer remains a loyal member in their fraternity, police-agency management and law-enforcement union bosses religiously shield cops who've screwed up from public scrutiny or accountability.

THAT MAKES THEM CRIMINALS! THEREFORE THEY ARE CRIMINALS.

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 With Montoya making statements to kids like, "I will fuck you with a dick so big it would make an elephant scream." I can understand why IA might want to take a look at his sexual phychological profile.  Clearly and with hindsight being a virtue, that should have been done as part of the background screeing process before Montoya was hired.  Had that been done, he would have been washed out and none of this crap would have happened.

Considering the corruption, incompetence and mismanagement of Police in Columbia to the Orange County Sheriffs Department is like comparing shit to shinola.  If you knew anything about Law Enforcement, you wouldn't be making such assinine statements.  Quit whining. 

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 Not a Catholic, but with your judgemental atitude, you would have made a great Priest.  Hell, you would have had the Nuns in a revolution and vote of "No Confidence" before you got your bags unpacked.  As far as God goes, I will leave the judging of my life up to him and not some piss ant wantabe like yourself.   

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 Just when I thought we had heard the full measure of your bullshit, here you go again.  Still waiting to hear what first hand life experience you have to be making these comments about being a rookie Sheriffs Deputy?   We continue to wait for you to share your vast experience in law enforcement and especially under what conditions you left.  Knowing Sheriff Hutchens, I think she is far too intelligent to have hired a dildo like yourself as a sworn Deputy.  

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 Now you have elevated yourself to the status of "Sea Lawyer?"  Please spare us your ramblings on the Peace Officer Bill of Riights, because it is crystal clear you don't have a clue as to what it is all about.  Since I outlined it in a prior post, I won't bore the other readers with a repeat.  While you may think we are "Mafia Trash" the vast majority of citizens across the country do not agree and continue to strongly support the men and women of law enforcement in their communities.   You really need to get a life.   

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241

You continue to have a big chip on your shoulder, so one might surmise that either you were employed in some capacity and terminated, or had an encounter of the close kind in the field?  Either way, your ramblings come across as nothing but sour grapes.   Don't know the Montoya story except as detailed in the article.  I will not speculate except to note, Montoya was terminated for cause and has chosen to fight the battle in court.  Since employee labor suits usually do fairly well in court, let's see how Montoys fares with his case?  By the way, could that be you in reference to a "vital employee?"   Not sure I understand how your boss, or his veterans status would have played into a street encounter between you and the Sheriffs Department? Since many in law enforcement today are former military members themselves, your bullshit about disrespect doesn't wash.      

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@sweetliberty17761776  Unions have merely enforced California Legislation establishing due process to be followed in disciplining law enforcement members.  If you, liberty were accused of a crime, you would want to be considered innocent, until tried and convicted in court.  Why should a Police Officer be any different?  In Montoya's case, the Internal Affairs Investigation sustained charges against him and he was terminated by the Sheriff.  Montoya exercised his legal rights, took the case to court and lost.  The union provided legal representation that Montoya had paid for as part of his monthly dues and fullfilled their obligation.  The Peace Officer Bill of Rights is there to safeguard the rights of Officers, but does not excuse them from acts of misconduct or crime.  Montoya clearly committed the gross acts of misconduct and should never have been hired in the first place, despite his hero status.  As I stated earlier, the Sheriffs Recruitment & Hiring process left a lot to be desired and most likely has been corrected by the current Sheriff? 

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 And why is it that you are no longer with the Sheriffs Department or in law enforcement?  Obviously, from your comments, you were not a "fair haired" boy to management.  That is A - OK as many of us can relate to that ourselves.  Not so sure though why you are so bitter toward everyone who wears a badge?  Please enlighten us. 

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

Maybe the "Sergeant" and "Commander" that you allege exist are as big of an asshole as the sociopaths in the Orange County Sheriff's department that conspired to criminally harass this American war hero.

rscottmoxley
rscottmoxley topcommenter

@EnginerdDespite your assertion, I exhaustively reviewed all records available related to the persistent rumors by Montoya's OCSD enemies that the Navy Cross wasn't earned. Instead of catching criminals, the department spent valuable taxpayer resources in efforts to undermine his Battle of Baghdad heroics, but could only come up with unsubstantiated rumors. The Marine Corps studied the event and gave him the honor that was eventually recognized by the president of the United States in a White House ceremony. If you can prove you have firsthand knowledge that contradicts the Marines, Montoya and President Bush, then please enlighten us with meaningful details. But, alas, given that you took the time to bark content-empty trash and were not man enough to do so using your real name tells me all I need to know about your character and assertion.

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

It's as simple as that - and exactly the gang member mentality. Someone should study why many cops turn into the very people that they arrest.

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@tongue_twister_for_t Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that old fraternity you refer to is long gone in most law enforcement agencies.  Officers today are trained and retrained that if they see an act of misconduct and fail to report it, they are as guilty as the person committing the act.  No one wants to get fired for something another person does so in most cases Cops hate other Cops who put them in that position.  Does it still happend in some cases?  Absolutely, but when discovered, the sword of discipline is usually swift and sure.  Unions provide legal representation to an Officer charged with a disciplinary offense and provide support in the process.  Most of those charges are for violations of internal policies and procedures and not criminal acts.  This is an area you continue to blather on about without knowing what he hell you are talking about. 

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

@ltpar @18usc241 Shinola was a once-popular brand of shoe polish, which had a color and texture not unlike feces. Don't think the Orange County Sheriffs department will be too happy with that association.  

And at least EVERY Colombian understands that their politicians and police are as corrupt as can be - way ahead of us in terms of enlightenment. Awareness of the problem is half the battle. 

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

@ltpar @18usc241 If in your 35 year law enforcement career you have never deliberately harmed an innocent person under the color of authority then you have nothing to fear LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. 

Before appearing at the pearly gates, may I suggest sunscreen at the highest SPF factor. 

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

Extremely telling that you completely dismiss my actual story and instead continue your fantasy theory about me. You can't get yourself to believe that some of your brethren could be so stupid huh?

Experience -

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

Never said all cops - I said many cops - too many cops. More than the 1 or 2 we as a society have been socialized to believe. The percentage of crummy cops IS the scandal.

sweetliberty17761776
sweetliberty17761776 topcommenter

@ltpar 

my argument isnt about due process


The Union ( which even hardcore FDR was against when it came to public sector employees) does as I described 


And to try and equate a (mere) citizens standing vs that of a Union memeber who go hand in hand, or hand in pocket$$ with politicians is laughable


To some, that would be more reason to belong to a Union


But to one who would rather see justice dealt with on an equal, non political basis

The Union is not the place to be

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

Ignoring your incorrect theory about me again, you claim to be concerned about your officers even to the point of blaming management. If your officers knew how management utilizes them and betrays their trust, the next protest on the streets would include many of them.

Enlighten us? I refer you to my comments on this blog or follow my Twitter account (by same name 18USC241) for more information on the story of how your police community tried/tries to treat me like a gang member - a garbage act that began around the time I was working on Colombian law enforcement projects.

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 I disagree with your misguided conclusions.  In the old days, there was a lot of the "us vs them" mentality, but with the new breed Officer and training reinforcement received, much of that has changed.  I believe studies have been done on why some Officers do go off the deep end and turn into the people they deal with.  The term utilized is "assimilation," meaning, being in the gutter on a daily basis with sleeze bags and especially in long term undercover assignments, Officers loose track of their own personality and take that of the people they are dealing with.  This is one of the long term detriments of the law enforcement proofession.  Many agencies are now using in house psychological counseling to help counter the impact of this effect.     

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

LOL It's getting almost impossible to take you seriously with the pie in the sky answers - pure police perfection.

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 @ltpar No ass hole, I never knowingly harmed an innocent person.  I stress the word "innocent" because I did do both physical and mental harm to a few who were not so innocent.  On the "pearly gates," I don;t really believe in such a thing and will take my medicine, whatever it may be, directly from the big boss himself.  Frankly, I have no concerns about that meeting. 

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

@ltpar @18usc241 Is this the sort of objectivity you applied in your career? Not sure how command could have weeded out any bad apples if your the example.

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 I have no fantasy theory about you .  You are just another two bit whining ass hole with an ax to griind.  People can see right through all your bullshit?   

kbear09090
kbear09090

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18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

"stand up guys"

Folks in US law enforcement have positioned the bar so low that you don't have to "stand up" to qualify as honorable. Due to special circumstances that "tune up" will cost between 10-30 years in federal prison and 10's of millions of dollars.And there you have it OC Weekly readers, when all else fails resort to violence.

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 @ltpar   Don't know either of the gentlemen your referenced in your slur, but if you don't like them, they must be stand up guys and I am honored to be in their company.  Concluding this merry exchange of comments you have confirmed what I think a lot of us suspected about you.  You are just a Cop wantabee who could have never gotten hired, so now you shoot off your big mouth on the internet with Anti-Police bullshit.  Just remember that attitude the next time you run across an Officer on the street and you might just save yourself another "tune up."   

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

@ltpar @18usc241 Well since your "maternal grandmother was a Mexican National in Texas" then you fall under the criminally stupid category (like Raul Quezada / Carlos Rojas). Thanks for the clarification. 

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 @ltpar Nice achievements, especially the "alter boy" gig, but you left out your potty training accomplishment at an early age?  I also failed to see any accomplishments for your alleged time at the Sheiriffs Department, or any other Orange County  law enforcement agency.  By "guys like you" I was referring to your Anti-Police attitude and nothing else.  Please spare me on the race card.  My maternal grandmother was a Mexican National in Texas, so that bullshit doesn't wash with me.  In the end, as with being a Cop, I doubt that you would make a pimple on a respectable gang bangers ass.  Keep whining and feeling sorry for yourself, but frankly nobody gives a shit. 

18usc241
18usc241 topcommenter

@ltpar @18usc241If you admit not knowing me personally, what exactly do you mean by "guys like me" a few words after "bangers" and "thugs". You seem to love to jump to sweeping conclusions Mr. Police Union President.

"pushed the edge?"

I pushed the edge when I won most of the awards at my grammar school graduation including altar boy of the year LOL.

I pushed the edge when I excelled in the same private ManhattanHigh School as Supreme Court Justice Scalia (now costs over 50K to attend).

I pushed the edge by receiving a University scholarship to the University of California, Irvine. 

I pushed the edge by receiving Engineering and Chemistry student of the Year awards along the way (courtesy IEEE and the American Chemical Society). 

I pushed the edge by getting as far as Advanced Engineering mathematics and enjoying it. 

I pushed the edge by working as an embedded systems engineer on law enforcement type projects in Colombia for the American company of two American heroes. 

I pushed the edge by gaining the respect of my 2 white male bosses both decades long Anaheim residents: WW2 hero types / former Rockwell International engineers / Director of Engineering for Rockwell International, Satellite Systems Division / Chief Engineer, Global Positioning Satellite / Chief Engineer, Advanced Infrared Telescope Program / Communications Manager Apollo/Saturn Launch Operations. These were the people that I worked with and answered to. People that I respected and who respected me.  

I pushed the edge by never using an illegal substance and drinking alcohol maybe 5 days out of the year. 

AND ONCE AGAIN THANKS TO THIS BEING ORANGE COUNTY, CA WHERE PEOPLE STILL HAVE MENTAL ISSUES WITH MLK AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT

 I get to hear a law enforcement leader like yourself referring to me as "guys like you" after using the words "bangers" and "thugs". 

And that's why this Hispanic American man can come to only a few conclusions: 

Law enforcement people here are either criminally racist or at the very least criminally stupid or both. And this den of disgraceful corruption from politicians to DA's to Judges allows you to get away with it.

Until now. 

"For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad." 

God bless HD quality video. 

18usc241
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@ltpar @18usc241The attitude appeared after criminal harassment by OC law - not before. 

Typical OC law technique - harass the hell out of someone then emit fake outrage when the target objects. It's why this law enforcement group is among the most dangerous in America. AKA: masters of creating problems for people where no problems existed. 


"allowed by law" 
Therein lies the huge problem here in the big OC. Your leadership think that civil rights crimes including capital crimes fall under that category. HUGE MISTAKE-O!

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 Sorry, I missed your response as to why you were no longer with the Sheriffs Department?  Could it be termination, or perhaps you simply could not measure up to the standards required and quit?  We can all see the "sour grapes" in each of your sniviling comments about the big bad Cops. 

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 Without knowing you personally, I can only surmise with your attitude you brought special attention to yourself by the Officers who rousted you. Sorry, but what ever law enforcement contract you may have been working on in Columbia or anywhere else, gets you no slack from street Officers dealing with "bangers" and "thugs" all day.   I dealt with many guys like yourself over the years and those who who pushed the edge, were provided with the full treatment allowed by law.  Notice I said, "allowed by law."   For everyone else, they were treated with the same respect I would want if the roles were reversed.  Moral of this story, most times you create the environment you find yourself in and it can either be positive or negative.   

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

@18usc241 Nope Cops are far from perfection, but the vast majority that I ever worked with were dedicated and hard working.  I was also their union President for 17 years, giving me an insider view of their screw ups and  sometimes unjustified persecution by Management.  I don't know the OC Sheriffs Department stacks up except by professional relationships, but most Deputies I worked with were quality people.  Yes, despite the tough screening process Cops go through there are still a few bad actors who slip through the process, do their bad deed and  give us all a black eye.  In my 35 years of experience, most pass the ethics test. Bottom line is, most Cops who do the crime, also do the time, as evidence by Mike Corona and George Jaramillo.  The other 99% of the good ones most certainly do not deserve to be referred to as "Criminals" by some asshole who has never walked in their shoes and couldn't qualify if he wanted to.  Hope I have clarified that point?        

 
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