The Kizh-Gabrieleño Factor

Despite a centuries-long campaign by Southern Californians to eradicate them, OC's remaining Gabrieleños are making a comeback

"That's very important to us," he says. "It belonged to the Gabrieleño Kizh Indian. They lived there, and they died there. We go there and look at it and see it doesn't belong to us anymore."

Despite the victory, Salas claims his group of Gabrieleños is banned from the annual powwow. "They don't invite us, and they keep our family away because they know we are who we are," he says. "That's their way of keeping people who want to know the truth about the Gabrieleño away from it."

It's vital tribes stand together, especially in California, where hundreds of tribes, some of them tiny, are pitted against one another for resources, Polequaptewa says. "The most important thing is to carry on your language and traditions. It's not about blood quantum; it's about traditional participation," he says. "That's what makes us who we are, and that's our greatest strength."

Ernie Salas
John Gilhooley
Ernie Salas
Andy Salas at the Bolsa Chica Wetlands
John Gilhooley
Andy Salas at the Bolsa Chica Wetlands

"If we don't step up to the plate today, it's over; it's done," Salas says. "Enough is enough, and that's the bottom line. It is my responsibility."

* * *

From a hilltop on the eastern border of Walnut Park in the San Gabriel Valley, Andy Salas points out the old villages—Asusangna (now the city of Azusa), Alupkangna, Acuangna, Hahamongna, Tobingna. All of them were former Kizh settlements, and where Salas stood was the former town of Winingna. Off in the distance, just visible through bluish fog, is Yangna—now better known as downtown Los Angeles. From this hill, Salas says, the Winingna community could see what all their neighbors were up to and who was coming for a visit.

On a late summer day last year, Salas and a handful of fellow Kizh led the way through Winingna, describing how the villagers learned through thousands of years of trial and error to use their landscape for survival. The term "Winingna" roughly means the place where pestles and mortars for food preparation were made; to this day, the porous, lava-like rock the Kizh used for tools is found by the creek and willow trees whose leaves roofed Kizh homes.

Salas begins to explain the old ways. Under what's now a 57 freeway overpass at Via Verde Street, the Winingna Kizh would hunt rabbits. They'd bathe in natural hot springs at modern-day Frank G. Bonnelli Regional Park in San Dimas. According to Salas, nature's bounty was seen as a gift; this led to a culture of gift giving and mindset of reciprocity. Taking care of the land and one another ensured the tribe's survival.

"This area is plentiful with food. People just don't know it or don't know how to prepare it," Matt Teutimez says. "A lot of cures to our ailments are right around us."

Picking leaves and crumbling dried blossoms in his hand to release sage or vanilla-like scents, he hypothesizes that based on the abundance of aromatic plants in the region, his ancestors must have placed emphasis on fragrances. Their diets, he assumes, were probably similar to that of the Japanese—a lot of vegetation and ocean life, considering their temperate climate and proximity to the sea.

"I wouldn't be surprised if the cultures here were advanced, like the Maya or Aztecs," he says. "They were not nomadic—even now, we don't move."

Despite all their travails, the Gabrieleños simply won't disappear from the Orange County landscape. In 1992, remains of a woman found while excavating at Fullerton Municipal Airport were determined to be Gabrieleño; just recently, bones that washed out of the ground with heavy rains at Hillcrest Park in December were found to be burial remains of the Gabrieleño village of Hotuuknga.

While the Gabrieleños are left with the task of figuring out who they are and grappling with various levels of government and internecine battles, Ernie Salas guides them through. As part of his spiritual ceremonies, he faces east. He thanks "Father Sun for the daylight and warmth, Father Moon for the night light, Mother Earth who gives us food."

Every year, he leads Gabrieleños to Mission San Juan Bautista near the Bay Area to honor Toypurina, a Kizh spiritual leader who led a failed revolt against the Spanish at the San Gabriel Mission. In retaliation, the Spanish dismembered her father, killed the Indians they suspected participated in the uprising, and exiled Toypurina to northern California, where she lived the rest of her short life.

"We do a pilgrimage, and my dad does a blessing for her," Andy Salas says. He and others are putting the finishing touches on a book they claim will tell the "true story" about Toypurina. "That really means a lot to him."

Whatever challenges that face it, this generation of Gabrieleños seems driven by the underlying understanding that it will decide the future of its people.

"Little by little, they're killing us with documents, with blood quantum, saying, 'You're one-12th or one-14th or one-16th,'" Salas says. "I wouldn't be here today if my grandma and grandpa hadn't survived the holocausts. So my blood runs with Indian blood no matter what I look like.

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skyeagle
skyeagle

Sorry, damn thing printed early again

As I was saying, one example would be is what I do not just do for 'Earth Day'. But everyday of my life, I see litter in the street, I pick it up and throw it away. Yes, I realize that is can't pick up all of the litter and trash in the world! But I can in my own home neighborhood, we have a saying in our nation Running bitch: "Walk your talk"!!!!

Oh and that stupid little spelling we did back in the day about the name and spelling of "Gabrielino" instead of with an "E"?! Oh you really showed me, I'm- I'm so embarrassed!!! ( by the way moron, I'm being sarcastic );

: Last but not least, about that idiot belief of my ancestors referring to themselves as the"Shoshone"?! Here's where you actually learn something moron, in the root base language group of my ancestors, "Uto- Azrecan". In anthropological circles, the slang term is usually referred to as "Shoshonean"! Not as in the tribal nation dimwit!!!!

But you know what Running bitch/Shit for brains, I've finally grown up and most important of all, have come to a realization. And that realization is this, you and the rest of your foul brethren are hopeless!!!! You don't want to learn, because you think you know everything! You wanna flap that big mouth of yours and not listen!! So you know what, I'm tired! I'm tired of having to deal with ignorant thugs like you, I'm tired of having to debase and embarrass myself to small minded ( emphasis on the 'Small mind' part ) brutes like you! So guess what, you wanna spread your lies & deceit on this blog site, than be my guest! I didn't requite or respond to your petty little ramblings and tantrums for over a week because unlike you, I have a life. You don't have to respond to this Running bitch/Shit for brains because I ( hopefully ) intend to make this my last blog on this site. But you just like our traitors ( and why you insist on butting into our tribal affairs is beyond me ), with your massive ego intend to respond as soon as you get wind of this. Well be my guest, because unlike you, I have a life. Besides, I don't hide behind a computer screen! But I'll continue to defend my people on this or any other site. So until then Running bitch/ Shit for brains, have a nice day. Your friend as always.

SkyEagle

skyeagle
skyeagle

To the general public

Unfortunately my last blog didn't print, so I shall try to make this my last. And try to answer any comments or ( somewhat ) questions from my 'Learned Colleague'. To the idiot who refers to itself as "Chris Running Deer Valverde" of this ( supposed ) Yuhaviatam tribal nation. As far as legitimacy is concerned, you've gotta lot of nerve of calling us fraudulent!! Since I really believe you're one of King Ernie's flunkies; Artie "Shit for Brains" Zuniga!!!

But if you wanna play this ridiculous game of false monikers, so be it! Instead, I shall address any and all of your so called accusations! ;

: About our 501( C ) 3 that you claim we allegedly stole from your European master, King Ernie of the traitorous and dangerous Salas/Kizh?!

Well to answer your comment/question. If King Ernie did get this 501 ( C ) 3, who did it get it for? For his people, or himself?! You need to think about that! Oh and by the way moron, the name "Polly" for a parrot is spelled with two "L's"!! Not just one!!!

And second, you said we haven't proven our name for our nation, "The Tongva"?!;

: Noted anthropologist such "Mirriam C. Hart- J.P Harrington- Alfred L. Kroeber- Robert Heizer, etc.", have proven throughout the twentieth century of the origins of my ancestors time & time again! But I have three questions for you, or rather more importantly, towards the public ( where it really counts ). Why is it since it's been documented by those noted and practiced scientist, that ignoramuses like you insist there's no proof?! Second, why do we have to defend our good name if not integrity from truly close- minded morons such as yourself?! I bet the noble "Arapaho- Jeaga- Choctaw- Cheyenne- Washa & Chuwasha, etc.", all of these tribes don't have to prove themselves to nobody not anyone other than themselves!!! Hence, we don't have prove ourselves to you or anyone, other than ourselves as well!!!! Besides, I really believe that you're so closed minded to accept the truth, you wouldn't be ready to learn it. And just to note dimwit, just because we are called "The people of the Earth", doesn't make us any worse or better than our fellow Native Americans!! This is just what we are called whether you like it or not!!! Oh and another thing Running bitch/Shit for brains, if you wish to call yourself one of 'the people of the earth', than you must prove it! Not just to yourself, but more importantly to the ancestors!!! One ex

runndeer
runndeer

Edit

My Name is Chris " Running Deer " Valverde member of the Yuhaviatam Nation or " People of the Pines " as we originally call our selves". After reading this amazing article which has a lot to do with our Nation and something I can relate to. It kills me to read something so true and so good then some pirate comes along and responds so disrespectfully . The blog responses from "Bird Brain" are those that I'm talking about . Just like the Spanish Conquistadors this Sky Eagle (Bird Brain) guy acts, intrudes and speaks the same way as his ancestors .

This is for that one kid Who calls himself Sky Eagle although after reading his blogs, I think he has earned the name (" Bird Brain") . I also went ahead and googled your name "Bird Brain" and saw your face, let me tell you your " scary!!! . Why didn't you look in the mirror before you named yourself. You should of maybe called your Fat ass self the JABOREE BEAR or "COUSIN IT" why Sky Eagle .

We true Natives usually get our names after our grandfathers or something that can relate to us. You my friend look like Road Kill and should have been honored the name "DEAD BIRD".

Anyways enough of the names although they do help your identity and ego .

First of All there is NO way you are Native simply because the first lesson we are taught in life is "respect" not only of the land but of each other and especially for our Elders . But since your blogs are disrespectful towards this Elderly Man who probably never used a computer before in his life and cannot defend for himself on this blog " I will Speak for him ".

That Elderly Man who is known as (Chief Ernie) and is also known by our Nation and who you have disrespected in your blogs is a well known and respected Man through- out the Native Indian community. He has fought a lot of hard fights through out the years (probably when you were still an egg )and all for preservation, dignity, desecration , truth and for the culture.

Not like some sell outs, like the one you call your leader Chief Red cow Or Chef Boyardee. Not only are you guys and your leader sell outs but also you are known thieves "Yes your Gang leader is a known THIEF" . What You should really be doing "Bird Brain " is researching and investigating your own Gang cause basically that's what you guys are . Here's a little something for you to do this weekend "Bird Brain" RESEARCH , Yes Look up your gangs 501(C) 3. # 95-4479087 and see who was the founder or Incorporator of it in 1994 and if you see the Name Ernie P Salas then you are on to something. It was your so-called Gang leader who stoled the 501(C) 3 from Ernie and the tribes elders of the San Gabriel Tribe. Shame on you RATS disrespectful Thieves for taking advantage of those Elders. You see "Bird Brain " if you would only use your head instead of filling it with " Shit for Brains" you might understand or Acknowledge the true history or ORAL history of whats going on around you. Your Gang still has those same bad habits as your Spanish great grandfathers.

Now listen to this "Poly " and don't speak until you read this, stick a cracker in your trap shut up and read. ( why Poly because your like a F....ing parrot just go back and read your blogs all you do is repeat yourself on shit that don't make sense. ) You still haven't proved your proof or how you got the name tongva " people of the Earth" you dumb shit Hair Bear dirty ass looking trailer park trash Hobo . If you didn't realize it "WE ARE ALL PEOPLE OF THE EARTH.

Here you go read it.,..

The early inhabitants " my Ancestors" originally had symbolic names for themselves and their Nations which we used to identify ourselves amongst our Neighboring sister tribes . If you read the following information of our sister tribes without blabbing your "A hole" you will see that each tribal Nation had a symbolic identity name which identified who we were. The description we used to identify ourselves were things from that were of Mother Earth. Trees, animals , rocks , and even Houses . For instance my tribe the Yuhaviatam were known as people of the pines . Which doesn't mean we were pine trees Dumb shit . It would just give those who were sent from their nation to ours a description of who to look for or where to look. So when individuals were looking for my Nation they knew they were in the right area or territory when they came to the area of the Pine trees. Read the following info "Bird Brain" this might help you!!!

NAME BEFORE SPANISH ARRIVAL

San Bernardino's earliest known inhabitants were Serrano Indians (Spanish for "people of the mountains") who spent their winters in the valley, and their summers in the cooler mountains. They were known as the "Yuhaviatam" or People of the Pines. They have lived in the valley since approximately 1000 B.C. They lived in small brush covered structures. At the time the Spanish first visited the valley, approximately 1500 Serranos inhabited the area. They lived in villages of ten to thirty structures that the Spanish named rancherías.

NAME BEFORE SPANISH ARRIVAL

The Luiseño, or Payómkawichum, are aNative American people who at the time of the first contacts with the Spanish in the 16th century inhabited the coastal area of southern California, ranging 50 miles from the southern part of Los Angeles County to the northern part of San Diego County, and inland 30 miles. In the Luiseño language, the people call themselves Payómkawichum (also spelledPayómkowishum), meaning "People of the West."[3]

NAME BEFORE SPANISH ARRIVAL

Barbareño

We called ourselves “the first people,” and pointed to the Pacific Ocean as our first home. Many elders today say that Chumash means “bead maker” or “seashell people.” The Chumash Indians were able to enjoy a more prosperous environment than most other tribes in California because we had resources from both the land and the sea.

One more thing "Bird Brain" if you want to respond to my blog. Don't bother writing Drive over to my location on the Reservation . Here we will see if you are either a Eagle or a Chicken...

atvpeacemaker
atvpeacemaker

Thank you for your response.  Are you Anthony's son?  If so, I need to sit down with you little brother to discuss some historical issues regarding the city of Claremont.  I also need to sit down with your Dad, Julia, and Mark.  

atvpeacemaker
atvpeacemaker

How many of us were raised in abject poverty like I witnessed at Pechanga in 1993 or at San Manuel in 1976 or at Pine Ridge during Sun Dance in 1997?  We have HMO's and were not raised in the old ways because most of the traditional ways were lost through social genocide and by the choice to survive and live.  I honor all the Gabrieleno/Tongva/Kizh descendants ( such asJulia, Cindy, Jimi, Ernie, Andy) who has enough courage to stand up and preserve the ways for our future youth who are lost in an abyss of materialism and secularism.  Keep up the sacred work.  And I pray for healing and reconciliation.

atvpeacemaker
atvpeacemaker

Interesting blog and comments.  We are having similar problems in the Inland Valley near the east side of San Gabriel Valley.  My only concern is that history is based on facts and evidence.  Be honest with ourselves:  Just how many would be involved in such a contentious issue of Tongva vs. Kizh vs, Gabrieleno if the Indian Gaming Act of 1988 was ever passed and we saw all these 100% per cent proclaimers of full blood quantum come out of the closet because their target source was not Our Creator, but money.  Just how many of you brothers and sisters can claim direct ancestry to a mythological village site called "Torojoatgna?'  It's the human condition.  People will exaggerate and lie to get recognized or accepted.  Truth lies in the power of love, not the love of power.


Come on, we all know that we had to go underground for generations just to stay alive and if wasn't for Mexicans, total genocide may have occurred.  I know 90 year old plus elders from the Pomona Valley that know who they are, still refer to themselves as Gabrieleno and have never been approached by any of the warring groups to become part of the preservation of the values and culture of indigenous first nations peoples.


dorian26
dorian26

The Kizh villages did have different names but our Original true name and identity as a people was, Kizh also spelled Kitc which means houses we were known as the people of the Willow brush houses. When the Spanish first conquered the land territory of the Kizh which was the entire Los Angeles basin including Orange County and the Channel Islands the Spanish first called us Kichireños which again meant the people of the willow brush houses. The Kizh were enslaved to build the first mission of which was made of willow and was wiped out because of a major flood and moved to higher land to the Kizh village of Tovisvangna (now known as San Gabriel) there my ansestors were then forced to build the mission san Gabriel after completion we were then given the name Gabrieleño named after Mission San Gabriel .So yes Kizh is our true identity and who we still are today so remember to tell your friends and family you got this info from the horses mouth. Its Not history its OUR STORY

guzmandavid1030
guzmandavid1030

David Guzman

English 101

Monday, Wednesdays 2:30PM - 3:45PM

After reading the article “The Kizh Gabrieleño Factor” by Bethanian Palma Markus, I was very interested in the fact that the Indian natives are making their hardest effort towards returning and remaining to Orange County. For instance in the previous centuries, Orange County and Los Angeles Counties used to have many villages within the area. I was disappointed though when many construction workers have decided to “unearth the remains of 174 people” in Orange County and Los Angeles counties. However, the villages of Kizh and Spaniards called Gabrieleño have decided to not let their Indian heritage die out. This caught my attention the most because despite the challenges of finding new land to create villages with only 650 Gabrieleño, their dream of not giving up is amazing. Challenges that the natives have to face include having to hide their identity towards others, racism, violence, and finding jobs. This makes me sad because nowadays Indian native lives are becoming increasing difficult in order to just make a living in the California. For example the article mentions how an Indian father would always say he was Mexican because if he didn’t, he would risk not getting any jobs. Therefore this makes me realize that people such as the police did not want to deal with Indians, thus making them become independent when it comes to trying to survive in California. As a result, this article makes me feel sad when it comes towards Indians finding support in California. But in the end, the Indian natives are not giving up for getting recognized by the federal government in California that the native people are still alive and are proving to them that they are still existing. Their goal for bringing back the Native heritage into California today and hopefully for the future is a very amazing goal that will surely succeed in the future.

Another important fact about this article was that the majority of Indians such as the Gabrieleño have had many local villages around Orange County. This interested me because I never would have thought that places such as Fullerton, Costa Mesa, and more importantly Santa Ana were associated with Indians. This makes me not only become more informed about the History of Orange County, but also understand why Orange County has so much more meaning behind it than I thought. In fact as the article mention the Indians were looking for places in Orange County to create villages, the Santa Ana River was “perfect for a village”. This makes me happy because my hometown Santa Ana has Indians villages in it. Therefore, I really enjoyed reading this article because I have learned about the importance of Indians coming back to California, and knowing that they are their heritage will never leave the Orange County in the future.

ogbravo1
ogbravo1

Actually Kizh was a name referring to only one of the many  "Gabrieleno" villages. Tongva, no matter how some people want to spin or belittle it, is a name that many Indigenous have chosen to use and it should be respected. I highly suggest people do more research for themselves.

skyeagle
skyeagle

This is for Chris "Running Deer" Valverde

I'd like to take the time to address and acknowledge the individual ( or individuals ) who identifies himself as this "Running Deer", or "run deer". First off..... Thank you for acknowledging my recent blogs. And second.....YOUR A F=+*ING IDIOT!!!! You see "Running Bitch", oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to preface that, that's your Indian name now ( assuming that you're really Native American )- Running Bitch! Cause you run that big mouth of yours non stop, and since you have such a hard on for those fake ass Indians: the Salas/kizh!

You apparently sound like one of their many bitch ass thugs that run with them, hence your new moniker, Running Bitch!!! Let's get something straight Running Bitch, I just wanna clear the air( because for the past couple of days, you've been farting on about those asshole traitors, the Salas's )! I have to first apologize for those pictures on the net you saw of me. Goddam!!! Even I have to admit, the Swamp Thing would look prettier than I did back then! But that was back then years ago. Contrary to belief, I'm a lot more sexier now ( no seriously, I've been working out since those days ). Exercise, make it your new friend ( and in your hopeless case, try also making books your new friends as well, PLEASE ).

Now for the third part of my little - whittle blog ( so don't get your G- String in a bunch again ), let's really get the facts straight, okay?! I don't know about the traditions of this "Yuhaviatam nation" ( never even heard of this tribe, and with all due respect- don't care ), but you see Running Bitch, we're different! The Gabrieleno Tongva have something called "The Naming Ceremony". When our children are newborns, we give them a quick impromptu name. After all, we can't call them 'hey you' until their naming ceremony comes up!

The time for Tongva children ( and yes dumbshit, I said Tongva, not that fake ass name of Kizh bullshit ) was around the age of sentience ( oops, I forgot who I'm talking to, that's a big fancy word for entering puberty ). They would endure a test or two, one specific for a certain gender. Then they'd earn their name, yes, you read correctly Running Bitch. I said they earn their names, we of the Tongva are not like your ( supposed ) nation stupid f*^%! Our names are earned, not given- never given!!! We don't receive them from our grandparents dumbf%#}!!

Well, I have to go now Running Bitch. Unlike you I have a life, and I'm far too busy keeping tabs on those pieces 'o' shit you call friends;

: Andy Salas, aka "Bud Bundy";

: Nadine Salas ( or whatever the fuck the fat bitch's last name is now ), aka "Pigwoman";

: Matt Tautimez ( and it pains me to say this Running Bitch because my birth name is "Matt" ), aka "Douche bag";

: Ernie Salas, aka "King Ernie" ( because that ole piece 'o' shit is more like a European Spanish monarch than an Indian );

: and last but not least, Artie Zuniga, aka "Shit for Brains".

Oh Running Bitch, I'd really appreciate in the future when you have one of your many misspellings and numerous grammatical errors. As a personal favor Dickhead, could you please refer to it as an "Artie Zuniga" moment instead of a 'Bird Brain' moment?! I mean unless you've actually met him ( and if you did meet that retard, you have my pity ), if that's not a shit for brains moment, then I truly don't know what is?! And please forgive me Running Bitch, I forgot to apologize to you once more. I failed to realize I impugned & besmirched your boyfriend Dorian26. I mean you two sound like the perfect couple, you're both a couple of f$~#ing idiots with nothing in between your ears!! And you've got the worst taste in friends!!

But in the end, when I finally take my inevitable dirt nap ( I know- I know, you just can't wait for it huh?! Well get in line asshole, because it's a very big long line, believe me ), they'll probably smell pizza- jelly doughnuts and soda on my breath. After going down on your little boyfriend so many times, I'm wondering what will be on your breath?! Hint- hint- hint?! Until then, you can go passionately f^%# yourself and have a nice day!!!! Your friend as always.

SkyEagle sings with his Heart

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

Ehkwashim ( Tongva for "We are still here" )

P.S.

I must apologize again to you Running Bitch. Although "Bird Brain" is somewhat amusing, it's also like you- boring and blunt!! It's so uncreative! When your asshole brethren use to talk shit to me back in the day, they used these particular names;

: Sky Pollo Loco;

: Sky Pigeon;

: Sky Chicken ( one of my particular favorites by the way ). Now don't act so surprised asshole, no! I'm not some diseased minded masochist who takes random pot shots at themselves because of insecurity & confidence problems. I don't expect you of all people to understand, I mean with your apparent whopping ego and all!!! I do these things so if you'll notice, I've spelled them correctly. So when you have to be your bitching asshole self, you can at least spell it correctly when insulting me!!!! Teh'Hoveet ( Tongva for "Thank you" )

runndeer
runndeer

Here's something else for that Hair Bear SHIT FOR Brains sky eagle " or PCP Baby. Google your fairy tail tribe name tongva this is what you will find . And if you don't understand this " then your really a dumb shit!!!

The name Tongva has become increasingly preferred as a self-designation since the 1990s,[citation needed] although either "Gabrieleño" or "Gabrielino" is used in every official name.[18] The Gabrieleno/Tongva Tribal Council of San Gabriel on their website give a translation of Tongva as "people of the earth",[19] although there is no independent evidence for this.

" sky eagle clean your pudding from your eyes and look what it says you idiot . It even talks about your theiving gang tribe Gabrieleno / Tongva tribal council of san Gabriel that they can't even show evidence tongva means people of the earth. What a dumb shit you are sky eagle " Bird Brain"

runndeer
runndeer

Accurate....Thank You Chris

skyeagle
skyeagle

This is for Atvpeacemaker

I'm sorry for not responding to you sooner. Unfortunately my last two blogs to you weren't shown for some reason. But anyway, to answer your questions. No, I'm not one of the sons of Chief Anthony "Red Blood" Morales. My best friend though is one of his sons, Andrew "Guiding Young Cloud" Morales. For years many people have misconstrued us as being brothers. And we've known each other since the second grade, so we're practically like brothers.

And to answer your next question about "ToroJoat'nga" ( 'The village of the snow' ) .Or the modern day city of Claremont. I'm not sure where you get your theory on it not being a legitimate Tongva village. But according to our records, it is. If you'd like to contact us, please do so at : Gabrielenotongva.com/tribalcouncil.htm. Or at ( 626 )

286- 1632, Teh'Hoveet ( Tongva for "Thank you" )

SkyEagle

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

Ehkwashim- "We are still here"

skyeagle
skyeagle

This is for atvpeacemaker

Meyiha ( Tongva for "Hello" ), my name is "SkyEagle sings with his Heart". I'm a member of the Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians, the only known historically recognized tribe of Los Angeles and immediate surrounding areas ( including the Catalina islands ). I have heard your words and I can't help but thank you for your acknowledgement, if not support of my tribal nation. However, I can't help but feel to correct you in your misconstruing of the Tongva. You see, there are no different tribes here, there is only one.

When you see or hear the names "Gabrieleno Tongva", these aren't the names of different tribes- there the same thing. My ancestors, the Tongva were directly responsibly for the building of the San Gabriel Mission- the fourth mission built within California. Because the Spanish had no respect for the Tongva, or any indigineous person ( American Indian ) in general, they refused to learn the languages of various Native American tribal nations. They imposed the moniker of 'Gabrieleno', as in the Indians who built the San Gabriel Mission. But remember..... our name has and will always be "Tongva". Translated means: "The people of the Earth".

Of course nowadays, it doesn't matter to us if people today refer to us as Gabrieleno. However if we had our druthers, we prefer Tongva. But instead of me just rambling on, how about I get to the gist of this. The Kizh, as well as the various different groups out there are traitors, plain & simple! They betrayed their culture, the ancestors if not themselves!! They are not part of us in way shape or form. In Tongva,

"Regidore" means traitor, and that's what they are. Ernie Salas( aka "King Ernie" ), Andy Salas( aka "Bud Bundy" ) and Cindi Alvitre ( "Queen Tongva" ) are not preservers of our culture, they're traitors through and through!! And don't deserve to be acknowledged as Indians, let alone as human beings!!!! And to ask us to forgive them is outrageous!!!!

skyeagle
skyeagle

Again, this is for atvpeacemaker

Once more for your last blog, you bring very poignant and valid points. However, Indian gaming and the petty greed & avarice of our "Regidores" ( Tongva for "Traitors" ) are only but a small part of their treachery and dishonor! No, what they want is what you astutely noted from your first blog- power! Whatever lust- want of- purpose or love in life is pretty much one thing and one thing only, the wanting and love of power! You see, King Ernie- Nadine, or "Pig Woman" along with "Bud Bundy" ! The heads of our most dangerous and hated of all our traitor factions are not only egotistical and ignorant! But worst of all- insane!!

I'm not kidding you atvpeacemaker, to say these idiots are crazy is an understatement. And I do not speak out of embellishment or exegeration towards 'Ah Ne- kit' ( "The Enemies", in Tongva, or our enemies ), in other words trying to hype the danger and insidious nature of our traitors. I'm telling you, these people are so nuts, ' they're a few French fries short of a combo plate'!! When these..... people confronted and threatened me once at the San Gabriel Mission car show of summer 2013, I made sure to try to get more of an inkling of these 'things' ( I say 'things' because I don't even look upon them as human beings ) and where they come off of. In other words, to get a better inkling of how they think ( if they're even capable of forming a thought ).

And no by the way in case you or anyone who reads this blog. I didn't do a thing to provoke or instigate the matter in the first place. When confronting me, King Ernie had the demented nerve if not audacity to ask me this question; "..... Why do you call us traitors?" CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?! That crazy old asshole actually believes he and the rest of his thugs are legit- the real thing?! They're beyond nuttier than a fruitcake, they're damned! Doomed to their greed- selfishness and ignorance!

SkyEagle

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

Ehkwashim ( Tongva for "We are still here" )

runndeer
runndeer

Wait a minute you mean Sky eagle says tongva means people of the earth but yet his phony tribe can't prove it. Your right I saw that on Wikipedia also it says that their gang has that on their website . That tongva means people of the earth but yet there is no true evidence " wow"!!' Talk about dumb shit . And he has the nerve to say the other guys are nutter than a fruit cake . What does that make him , I guess just a nut. All his definition of his so-called tribe are just shit he gets out of books . Poor fool ya the name bird brain fits him maybe even helium head..,,, later all

runndeer
runndeer

My Name is Chris " Running Deer " Valverde member of the Yuhaviatam Nation or " People of the Pines " as we originally call our selves"and a friend of Dorian. After reading this amazing article which has a lot to do with our Nation and something I can relate to. It kills me to read something so true and so good then some pirate comes along and responds so disrespectfully . The blog responses from "Bird Brain" are those that I'm talking about . Just like the Spanish Conquistadors this Sky Eagle (Bird Brain) guy acts, intrudes and speaks the same way as his ancestors .

This is for that one kid Who calls himself Sky Eagle although after reading his blogs, I think he has earned the name (" Bird Brain") . I also went ahead and googled your name "Bird Brain" and saw your face, let me tell you your " scary!!! . Why didn't you look in the mirror before you named yourself. You should of maybe called your Fat ass self the JABOREE BEAR or "COUSIN IT" why Sky Eagle .

We true Natives usually get our names after our grandfathers or something that can relate to us. You my friend look like Road Kill and should have been honored the name "DEAD BIRD".

Anyways enough of the names although they do help your identity and ego .

First of All there is NO way you are Native simply because the first lesson we are taught in life is "respect" not only of the land but of each other and especially for our Elders . But since your blogs are disrespectful towards this Elderly Man who probably never used a computer before in his life and cannot defend for himself on this blog " I will Speak for him ".

That Elderly Man who is known as (Chief Ernie) and is also known by our Nation and who you have disrespected in your blogs is a well known and respected Man through- out the Native Indian community. He has fought a lot of hard fights through out the years (probably when you were still an egg )and all for preservation, dignity, desecration , truth and for the culture.

Not like some sell outs, like the one you call your leader Chief Red cow Or Chef Boyardee. Not only are you guys and your leader sell outs but also you are known thieves "Yes your Gang leader is a known THIEF" . What You should really be doing "Bird Brain " is researching and investigating your own Gang cause basically that's what you guys are . Here's a little something for you to do this weekend "Bird Brain" RESEARCH , Yes Look up your gangs 501(C) 3. # 95-4479087 and see who was the founder or Incorporator of it in 1994 and if you see the Name Ernie P Salas then you are on to something. It was your so-called Gang leader who stoled the 501(C) 3 from Ernie and the tribes elders of the San Gabriel Tribe. Shame on you RATS disrespectful Thieves for taking advantage of those Elders. You see "Bird Brain " if you would only use your head instead of filling it with " Shit for Brains" you might understand or Acknowledge the true history or ORAL history of whats going on around you. Your Gang still has those same bad habits as your Spanish great grandfathers.

Now listen to this "Poly " and don't speak until you read this, stick a cracker in your trap shut up and read. ( why Poly because your like a F....ing parrot just go back and read your blogs all you do is repeat yourself on shit that don't make sense. ) You still haven't proved your proof or how you got the name tongva " people of the Earth" you dumb shit Hair Bear dirty ass looking trailer park trash Hobo . If you didn't realize it "WE ARE ALL PEOPLE OF THE EARTH.

Here you go read it.,..

The early inhabitants " my Ancestors" originally had symbolic names for themselves and their Nations which we used to identify ourselves amongst our Neighboring sister tribes . If you read the following information of our sister tribes without blabbing your "A hole" you will see that each tribal Nation had a symbolic identity name which identified who we were. The description we used to identify ourselves were things from that were of Mother Earth. Trees, animals , rocks , and even Houses . For instance my tribe the Yuhaviatam were known as people of the pines . Which doesn't mean we were pine trees Dumb shit . It would just give those who were sent from their nation to ours a description of who to look for or where to look. So when individuals were looking for my Nation they knew they were in the right area or territory when they came to the area of the Pine trees. Read the following info "Bird Brain" this might help you!!!

NAME BEFORE SPANISH ARRIVAL

San Bernardino's earliest known inhabitants were Serrano Indians (Spanish for "people of the mountains") who spent their winters in the valley, and their summers in the cooler mountains. They were known as the "Yuhaviatam" or People of the Pines. They have lived in the valley since approximately 1000 B.C. They lived in small brush covered structures. At the time the Spanish first visited the valley, approximately 1500 Serranos inhabited the area. They lived in villages of ten to thirty structures that the Spanish named rancherías.

NAME BEFORE SPANISH ARRIVAL

The Luiseño, or Payómkawichum, are aNative American people who at the time of the first contacts with the Spanish in the 16th century inhabited the coastal area of southern California, ranging 50 miles from the southern part of Los Angeles County to the northern part of San Diego County, and inland 30 miles. In the Luiseño language, the people call themselves Payómkawichum (also spelledPayómkowishum), meaning "People of the West."[3]

NAME BEFORE SPANISH ARRIVAL

Barbareño

We called ourselves “the first people,” and pointed to the Pacific Ocean as our first home. Many elders today say that Chumash means “bead maker” or “seashell people.” The Chumash Indians were able to enjoy a more prosperous environment than most other tribes in California because we had resources from both the land and the sea.

One more thing "Bird Brain" if you want to respond to my blog. Don't bother writing Drive over to my location on the Reservation . Here we will see if you are either a Eagle or a Chicken...

skyeagle
skyeagle

This for Dorian26

Hey moron, it's your old pal SkyEagle again! Once again it's time to educate your ignorant ass!! You do realize those fake ass Indians you support, the Kizh! Claim my ancestors called themselves 'people of the willow brush houses'? But why did those frauds, the Salas's, call themselves the 'Shoshone Gabrielino' a few years back?! The answer..... they're fake ass frauds!!! That's why!

My ancestors moron called themselves the Tongva- "People of the Earth". You see, because the Salas/Kizh are so petty- so pathetic!! Is why the "Regidores" ( Tongva for 'Taitors' ) try to differentiate themselves from us. Because they know we're the real tribe, and they're a newly formed fake ass group!! You can lie and bluff the public, but you'll never lie or deceive the ancestors- NEVER!!!! It's TONGVA- get use to it!

SkyEagle

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

'Pride, Honor & Survivors'

skyeagle
skyeagle

This is for Dorian26

With all due respect, your a world class jackass!!!! You know that?! But let me hit you with a dose of reality, if not the truth!!! And most important of all, I won't be wasting my time with trying to educate your dumbass!! But most important of all, I'll be educating the public!!! You keep claiming the true name of the Tongva is really Kizh?! But if that's true, then why is it that a few years back, you and the rest of the Salas pricks use to call themselves the Shoshone Gabrielino?! And now you jerks call yourselves the Kizh?! Oh, and why is it you use to spell the suffix of Gabrieleno with 'ino'? And now you dimwits copy us by spelling it 'eno'?! Just curious?

"SkyEagle"

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

skyeagle
skyeagle

I'm sorry, the damn blog cut off on me early again

Mr. Guzman, the Salas/Kizh are fakes and liars through & through! If they were a legitimate group then the state of California would have certified them, plain & simple!! And to all of those idiotic websites they leave after the end of every one of their bitching & tantrum sessions they do! I challenge them to this..... don't leave behind those stupid websites! Leave the names of the books they supposedly looked up?! Tell the public of these so- called ancient tomes of information if they're so legit?! I guarantee you Mr. Guzman, they won't because they can't!! Why, very simple..... because they're fakes that's why!!!!

Teh'Hoveet

SkyEagle

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

'Pride, Honor & Survivors'

skyeagle
skyeagle

To guzmandavid1030

Once again, this is for guzmandavid1030. I wrote to you previously before but apparently my last blog didn't go through. Hopefully this one will go through. My name is SkyEagle, and I'd like thank you for reading and responding to the article above. Written by Bethania Palma Markus, and it was well written just like yours. Even if it featured our Regidores ( Tongva for "Traitors" ), it did alert the public once again about the continual burial desecrations of my ancestors graves.

However..... I hate to correct people ( since I hate being corrected, especially in public ), but I'm sorry sir. Your response had many inaccuracies due to the many written in the article ( it's not your fault ). You see Mr. Guzman, the name Kizh, cooked up by our traitors is an absolute complete false fact! That name/word is not "Gabrieleno Tongva" in any way shape or form. It's actually a word from the "Luiseno" language. What does it mean, I don't know, I'm not Luiseno. I'm Tongva and damn proud of it.

What the Salas/Kizh fail to inform the public is that they're not a tribe in any way at all. Why? Because they're actually in reality- brutal reality, a newly formed group! They don't let the public know of this of course, because that would put an end to their little fantasy. That would put an end to their game- their scam. Ah hell..... it would put an end to their massive ego trip!!!

Please listen and understand Mr. Guzman, when a state, or the government itself recognizes and legally declares a tribal nation federally certified. There are many certain legalities- clauses and rules that must adhered to if a tribal nation wishes to be recognized by the U.S. Government. One rule will dictate that certain tribal nation be fervently active in their home territory and community. Another rule must demand a specific number of active & participating tribal members be involved in current tribal affairs ( and not just once in awhile ). And one more rule must stipulate if you will, a special form of identification for either the whole tribe itself. Or separately from a single tribal member.

It sad to me that one culture must seek the recognition of another culture or government that conquered and currently either ignores. Or worse, degrades and abuses it's subject culture, but that's the sign of the times I guess. The Salas/Kizh have no forms of identity or authenticity in any way shape or form. Their newly formed thug group is primarily composed of their family members. And any brainless idiot who takes them for face value, or pledges their undying devotion to those things ( one brainless idiot I can immediately think of would be Dorian26 )!

If your confronted by those idiots on the street ( God help you ), they'll probably give you some long winded tepid excuse of a story of how they've been misrepresented. Or that they're the real group of all the Gabrieleno Tongva nation

skyeagle
skyeagle

This is addressed to Bravo One,

My name is "SkyEagle", I'm from the "Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians". We are the only historically recognized tribe of Los Angeles & immediate surrounding areas. The state of California certifies and recognizes us. Any and all of the newly formed groups, including those jackasses the Kizh, headed by the Salas family ( or lab experiments gone wrong ) are fakes- plain & simple! I'd like to thank you for your kind and compassionate words you have noted repeatedly throughout this blog. But not just in favor of us, the Gabrieleno Tongva. But more importantly, for the ancestors.

I can tell they were not written to curry favor, but typed out with an open mind. Rather than a closed one, unlike Dorian26!!! I can't help but completely concur with what you mentioned previously about ' the right to call ourselves with whatever moniker we chose'. However, instead of being spoon fed this B.S from those idiots!! How about I give you the truth, for starters, the very beginning of my ancestors can be traced back over 19,000 years ago ( we say only 'over 19,0000 years' because although we know for a bonefide fact that they go back even further, unlike the traitor groups, we don't advocate facts & findings we can't back up and verify ). Of course with time & science, we know we'll be traced back even further.;

: 19,0000 years ago, my ancestors called themselves "The Pwii'Pwi". After one of the San Gabriel mountain ranges;

: Several thousand years later, they started calling themselves the "Takic People". And please note- the Takic were directly responsible for the uniformity & structuring of my ancestors language;

: And finally, thousands of years later, we call ourselves the Tongva.

Anyway, I have a lot more to note, but I'd rather save it for another time. I must also ask for your own safety to please keep as far away from the Salas's, or any of their thugs as possible. The Salas/Kizh thugs are notoriously known throughout the San Gabriel area for harassing- intimidating and threatening their victims! Believe me..... I know! And again, thank you.

Teh'Hoveet ( Tongva for "Thank you" )

"SkyEagle sings with his Heart"

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

'Pride, Honor & Survivors'

dorian26
dorian26

" Respect " look who's calling the kettle Black. Why not respect the True Natives of the Los Angeles Basin by recognizing them for who they truly are ....Kizh (Kitc) Nation , People of the Willow Brush Houses . And not "tongva" so called people of the earth, we are all people of the earth.

dorian26
dorian26

The Original true name of the Gabrieleño is Kizh also spelled Kitc. Kizh means houses we were known as the people of the Willow houses. When the Spanish first conquered the land territory of the Kizh ,which was the entire Los Angeles basin including Orange County and the Channel Islands the Spanish first called us Kichireños which again meant the people of the willow brush houses. It was until later after the first mission which was made of willow was wiped out because of a major flood and moved to higher land we were enslaved to built the mission san Gabriel is when we were then giving the name Gabrieleño.

dorian26
dorian26

Ogbravo1

You are defiantly wrong with your information . The following link is a interview that was done with the queen of " tongva " her self. There was no such tribe of the Los Angeles basin called tongva. Tongva is the name Cindi ( non indian)chose

runndeer
runndeer

This is directly for Bird Brain sky eagle . I can see deep down inside the hurt , anger and selfishness you have inside yourself just by reading all your blog responses , " Dam even a psychologist and a animal veterinarian will tell you that you have Shit for Brains. You know Bird Brain , You and I can go on for days smashing each other and the viewers don't deserve this. I also mentioned where you catch me if you had something to say to me . But because i can see your brain is shot and you will never understand or comprehend our People's true history eat shit . But I do want to address something for sky eagle " Better known now as Bird Brain" why don't you personally meet up with Andy Salas and tell him to his face what you feel. Just remember if you do and when you do ever meet up with him make sure you take an Army with you, this kid is is NO joke and is a straight out WARRIOR and is known to knock the feathers out of Birds ( skyeagle) and Handel his own . By the way now that Im on this subject, I did see some where in a blog that you responded and mentioned he was arrested in san Gabriel a few years back . Well sky eagle you might want to explain to the viewers about the truth, and what your tongva gang crime members really did let them know how you guys instigated the whole thing and what really happened . The real story is, because of Andy exposing impostors ( like yourself) sky eagle and exposing the truth he was jumped by tongva gang members that were probably from your tongva organization (losers ) "boy did he kick both those guys asses" and at the same time I hear. But at the end of all this can you believe the impostors, although they were found guilty of their actions thanks to near by witnesses Andy didn't press charges and the whole deal was dropped. Now thats a True Warrior with a lot of heart and is something you tongvas will never be or never have. Anyways take my advise look him up just make sure your wearing foot ball gear. "Bird Brain sky eagle, I beleive your fool of Yackty Yack - A dog with all bark and NO bite .Later fool

runndeer
runndeer

Hahaha "what's a matter Bird Brain " does your pussy hurt !!!! Like I said tramp come to the Res. ask for me .

skyeagle
skyeagle

To Running Bitch

Hey Meyiha Running Bitch, once more it's your ole pal 'Bird Brain'. Or as I'm more commonly known as SkyEagle. As I'm sure your already aware by having drilled in that empty and soft skull of yours, you've been told numerous lies & deceit by those fake ass frauds, the Salas/Kizh! Which by the way, that fraudulent off shoot group was primarily formed by the family! So correct me if I'm wrong ( which I know, sooner or later you're shit filled head will soon, oops I misspoke again, I meant to say your empty skulled head will soon ), but aren't tribal nations, or rather legitimate tribal nations supposed to be formed by numerous families within in a nation?! And not recently formed by a bunch of brainless idiots ( i.e. The Salas family )?!

And another thing Running Bitch, according to your twisted logic ( probably got that from your diseased minded little scout leader, Andy Salas, aka Bud Bundy ), that you keep insisting upon that stupid ass notion over and over and over and over again!!! That the name Tongva is some sort of recent invention, that there never was the name Tongva before the early nineties?! Well Running Bitch, here's another bitch slap of education and reality. Wish I could give you a real bitch slap you so richly deserve! The name Tongva was actually rediscovered back in 1903 by noted anthropologist of the time, Mirriam C. Hart ( I know- I know, some dude with a woman's name, freaky huh ).

So..... Logic would dictate that if the Tongva name was floating around at the time, then the name would go back even further retard!!!! I'm just wondering Sperm receptacle, since it's obvious that you have manners- tact- or class in any way shape or form. Or especially intelligence, I'd just like to ask this one little quickie question yeah? Many of my brother & sister nations;

: The Arapoho;

: The Lakota;

: The Pawnee;

: The Chinook;

: The Coos;

: The Dwamish;

: The Yurok & Tolowa,etc.

Would never be questioned for their authenticity, but for some idiot reason, assholes like you keep trying to put us as fraudulent, to place you in a higher connotation?! Instead of trying to help another brother Indian ( which I reiterate once more, I still don't believe your an Indian either ), you try to discredit us because you know we're the legit nation!! And the newly formed group you keep playing grab ass bitch for is the real fakes around here!!! In other words, you assholes are so insecure, that you have keep ragging and haranguing us in order to make yourselves feel better!! And yet still you f*+=ing prick! you keep us the gang! us?! You've got a lot of fucking nerve asshole, a lot of fucking nerve!!!

And for the last f=+*ing time you obtuse piece of flotsam! The only former gang leader here is the one you're being a bitch for ( I reiterate, emphasis on the 'Bitch' part again in your case ) is his royal majesty, King Ernie of Spain! All hail his royal majesty's august presence shall we ( by the way shithead, I'm being sarcastic, in case you can't register my rant )?!

Well it's that time again Running Bitch, I've gotta a life and I'm far too busy trying to educate your stupid ignorant ass ( I think I'd have more progress trying to educate a bunch of monkeys than I would with the Salas/Kizh & you )!! So, try healing any more of your anal tearing you last received and have a nice day. Your friend as always.

SkyEagle

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

Ehkwashim

skyeagle
skyeagle

No Chris..... Not accurate!!!!

Meyiha ( Tongva for "Hello" ), hey Running Bitch, it's your ole pal SkyEagle, aka 'Bird Brain'. What's the matter, you don't like 'Sky Chicken' instead? Oh well..... Go fig huh? Any way Running Bitch, I just got say at first, I was ready to give you another bitch slap ( emphasis on the 'Bitch part' in your case ) on some more education. As well as to critique on that poor tepid excuse for a retort you gave previously. But I was wrong, you've given it some creativity and color.

I'm just curious Running Bitch, why would you compliment yourself on one of your many pointless bitching rants & dribble?! Are you that egotistical ( and yes, your massive ego will always put mine to shame ), that you have to give yourself credit here & there?! What's next, you also put on lipstick in your bathroom and blow yourself kisses saying "Hey there sexy boy"?! Or I'm actually leaning towards another direction, someone else is using your vaunted net moniker! Now it's bad enough I have to deal with one obnoxious self righteous asshole, but now I have to deal WITH ANOTHER ONE?! Man, that's just f=+*ed up to no end!!!

What's the matter chicken shit..... Your bad ass enough to bitch to me here and there, but you let another use your name?! And you of all people have the..... Shall we say have the nerve to tell me to have some 'Testicular fortitude'?! Oh man! You are an asshole and a half Running Bitch!! Let's get some something straight you punk ass bitch ( this time, emphasis on the 'Punk' part )! No one but no one is using my net moniker except me, plain and simple!!!! Too much of a punk to face me huh shithead?!

One last thing asshole, I'm just curious? If you hail from this Yuhaviatam nation or whatever the f^%# it is! I'm curious, what business is it of yours to stick your f=+*ing fat ass into my people's business on dealing with our traitors, seriously?! If you really did your homework then you'd know that my ancestors, the Tongva ( and not that stupid ass fake Kizh bullshit that you prescribe to moron ) we were and still are friends with our brother & sister nations that surround us;

: The Serrano;

: The Cahuilla;

: The Ajachemen;

: The Cupa;

: The Pechanga;

: The Morongo;

: The Kumeyaay;

: The Mojave;

: The Tataviam;

: The Kitenamuk;

: and The Chumash.

And if your supposedly a member of the noble Serrano ( or whatever the f#%^ you are 'cause' you still make no sense dumbf=+* ) nation, then you've brought nothing but shame disgrace upon your

atvpeacemaker
atvpeacemaker

@skyeagle  Could you please provide me a regular e-mail or please call me  at 909-929-0516, leave a message, so we can set up a meeting.  You know who I am.  I need to share some important info with you.  My family has been in Claremont since 1875 and my maternal Grandfather, who was a full blood Purepecha, once resided on the Indian Hill Mesa site in Claremont while his house was being constructed in the Mexican American barrio in Claremont.  Thank you little brother.





runndeer
runndeer

What's up shit for brains sky eagle . You ask why The Kizh called themselves the shoshonean before . Well here you go your answer dumbs hit , Running deer is right you do have shit for brains.Shoshonean stock

This is the first stock within the mission area which extended beyond the limits of California, the cognate tribes within the state being an outpost of the same great linguistic group which includes the Piute, Ute, Comanche, and Pima of the United States, the Yaqui, Tarumari, and famous Aztec of Mexico. The five missions of San Fernando, San Gabriel, San Juan Capistrano, San Luis Rey, and its branch mission of San Antonio de Pala, were all in Shoshonean territory, and the great majority of the Mission Indians of today are of this stock. Those within the mission sphere were of five languages, each with minor dialectic differences, nearly equivalent to as many tribes, as follows:-

(a) Gabrielino: from about Santa Monica southward nearly to San Juan Capistrano, and from the coast back to the foothills of the San Bernardino range, together with Santa Catalina island. It was spoken in slightly different dialects at San Fernando (Fernandeño) and San Gabriel. The names Kij, Kizh, and Tobikhar have been used to designate the same group.

runndeer
runndeer

Sky eagle (shit for Brains) so you say your curious why "INO" we'll if you look up your gangs info bird brain this is what you see Ass lips .

Anthony Morales, Chairperson. Gabrielino Tongva San Gabriel Band of Mission Indians. P.O. Box 693.

Now you tell me who copied who fool. You better pull your foot out your Ass and stick it in your Mouth.

runndeer
runndeer

Shit for brains sky eagle I had got the "INO" from your old website shit head check it out you know the one that had the blue map on it that said Gabrielino tongva. That was before you copied the others who have years used "ENO" Gabrieleño . Boy are you Dumb!!!

BravoOne
BravoOne

@dorian26
 OH yes, a white dude makes a conclusion on one of his essays so that overpowers the right of an Indigenous community to identify how they wish. No Thank You, you can keep them those paternalistic western values.

skyeagle
skyeagle

This is for Dorian26,

I'm curious of why you have such a hard on for those fake ass Indians, the so called Kizh?! You do know their nothing but a bunch of fakes!!! Andy Salas, aka "Bud Bundy" isn't legit! Nadine, aka "Pig Woman" is full of shit!! And last but not least, Ernie Salas, aka "King Ernie"!!! Because he's no chief, he's a European King!!!!

BravoOne
BravoOne

@dorian26

Yes, thank you..again Kizh was the name of a specific village not the collective of Tongva villages.

BravoOne
BravoOne

@dorian26 

Perhaps you missed my point, being that as an Indigenous people they have the right to make their own decisions as to how they operate and identify.

Just because there is no western academic authority reference on the history of the Tongva name does not negate its power as a name which most original Los Angeles Basin Indigenous People have Chose to use for themselves.

Kich has only been shown to be a name by which one village went by, not the collective of Tongva villages.

I hope people do their own research instead of falling for all the character defamation rich half-truths you guys are putting out there.

runndeer
runndeer

Hahaha!!!! Just what I thought sky eagles a Poo Butt.

skyeagle
skyeagle

To Running Bitch

No, but your calling me a 'Pussy', you?! I mean after being a sperm receptacle for your boyfriend Dorian26 and the rest of your Kizh bitches for so long! Your calling me a pussy?! Well here's what I'm saying dicklicker, I don't know what kind of fancy ass 'res' you hail from! One those casino ones or the traditional dust bowl ones, quite frankly, I don't give a shit!!! Unfortunately, I don't have a car Running Bitch, I have to work for a living!! So I'll tell you what, if your so big & bad ass ( and I don't give a shit if your six- foot ten ), why don't you come to San Gabriel instead?! Yeah, come down to my barrio punk, let's see how tough you really are?! And ask for me!!!!

As I said in one of my previous blogs to you asshole, I don't run away from bullies anymore or ever again!! All bullies like you are punk ass cowards and will always will be doomed by your own insecurities and ignorance ( and in your case, bad grammar and poor spoken verse, and syntax sentence structure ) By the way, I'm just curious? After going on the 'Down low' and all, is it true what they say;

: that your cock tends to shrivel and shrink on a long anal sexual tryst?!

Because you definitely sound like you have that hidden little ( and I mean little in your case ) insecurity. I guess I'm lucky, I only use toilet paper to wipe my ass, please tell, what's it like to use it on your cock when your done doing it anally?

Until then Running Bitch, kiss my ass and open wide while your down there. Your friend as always.

SkyEagle

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

skyeagle
skyeagle

Oops, once more

I apologize to you Running Bitch, I miswrote in my last blog to you. I had an "Artie Zuniga" moment ( remember Running Bitch, I call those an Artie Zuniga moment because he's called 'Shit for Brains', get it ), back there I stupidly forgot to preface and add a proper adverb ( or modifier ) in one of my sentences. Back when I said you had tact- manners- class?! What I really meant to say was that you had no tact- manners or class ( and apparently intelligence as well ) in any way shape or form!!! Yeah- yeah, I just read some of my last blog. Sweet baby Jesus, you'd think you would be writing it with all of my literary indiscretions & mistakes. Until next time Running Bitch, your friend as always.

SkyEagle

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

runndeer
runndeer

Something Else for Bird Brain which is fact and Accurate :

The name "tongva" has been used in recent times to describe the people's who inhabited the Los Angeles basin prior to the arrival of the Spanish and has been used throughout academic writings and literature as fact, even though there is NO real historical support for the name "tongva ". There is, however , historical support and legitimacy for the Kizh (Kij or Kichireño), which is the name that has been used today and for decades by many of the direct descendants of the Gabrieleño.

skyeagle
skyeagle

To Running Bitch again

Hey Running Bitch, MEYIHA ( that's right asshole, unlike you I still have manners ), it's me again, your ole pal 'Bird Brain'. Or aka SkyEagle, once more I'm here to have to calm down your little temper tantrum tirades ( whoa, try saying that three times fast ). So..... Your all of sudden this instantaneous anthropological expert huh? Your all of a sudden this instant genealogist who deems who is legit and who is not?! In other words, you of all people get to say who is really an Indian and who is not huh?! Who the f*+= do you think you are you missing link, motherf=+*ing Lorraine Escobar?! Well shit head ( yeah your the real shit head here, not me ), if that's true then I can't help feel these two feelings;

: The first of fear, thinking of how a self righteous retard like you may actually be able to fool & bluff the public like your thug brethren, those asshole Salas/Kizh!!!;

: And the second, the possible dread and thoughts of a brainless empty skulled moron like calling yourself a genealogist!!!

By the way stupidf^%#, I went to more than just going to a couple of Tongva Indian language classes. You see, I primarily learned from my elders and also something your probably not use to doing. I also learned from these magical little rectangular things, you know- there called books!

And last but not least, what the hell are you talking about those traitorous pieces 'o' shit the Salas/Kizh being Vikings or not?! You idiot brainless retard, I don't know what the hell you're even talking about!!!! And look who is calling who a fake ass Indian, these are your words "..... get the costumes right?" Only a lame brain lying fraud asshole like you would use the term 'costume' for Indian Regalia! So once again Running Bitch, I've gotta go. I have a life and I'm dead ass tired.

Oh just one more thing dickhead, you say I don't have the cojones to face any of those traitorous pieces 'o' shit the Salas/Kizh?! Well just ask the real "Shit for Brains" Artie Zuniga, and that ole fake ass prick his majesty himself, King Ernie. I faced them down at Pasadena City College campus and at the San Gabriel Mission Car show 2013. I didn't back down from those assholes and I won't back down from you asshole either!!! Like I said before, your a bully and a coward and you ought to be ashamed of yourself!!!

You were right earlier in one of your many bitching tirades. I must be in great pain, that's what you mentioned previously. For all of those things I've been forced to endure to put up with from your many- many rants?! Well Running Bitch, your absolutely right, I am hurt and full of rage! And wouldn't you be too dumbshit, for having to put up with a bunch of bullying self righteous thug assholes ( like yourself ) who print and spread unfounded lies and cheap gossip about your friends- family and all of the people you know and love?! Well, welcome to my world asshole!

Now..... If any of you brainless dickheads out there can actually print and prove any of your bullshit about my people, then bring it on!! You see Running Bitch, unlike you and the rest of your sub human kind, we of the Gabrieleno Tongva don't pretend to know everything! In other words, unlike the Fake ass group, the Salas/Kizh! We don't proclaim that we're the proverbial pantheon of Native American information ( that would be the Salas's part, not ours ).

Until then Running Bitch, this time you can eat shit and die a slow suffering death. Your friend as always.

SkyEagle

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

Pride, Honor, and Survivors

runndeer
runndeer

And sky eagle(Bird Brain) don't give me all that Meyiha bull crap. Your Not Indian shit head. just cause you went to a couple language classes that are taught by that other fake ass "impostor" You know that Cat who taught at CalPoly Pomona what's his fraud ass name , Oh Ya Mark Acuna. Shit frauds teaching frauds how do you like that . BY the way the Kizh Gabrieleño were Native Indians idiot not Vikings. If your going to play the part get the costumes right shit head. HaHa Ha!!!!

skyeagle
skyeagle

Sorry, damn thing gave out on me again!

As I was saying before I was rudely interrupted, you are a disgrace to your people and entire nation!!!! Plain and simple!!! Now I realize I'm not such a paragon of virtues & tact for even wasting my time with a brainless retard such as yourself! But as previously mentioned about the Tongva being a gang?! Well let's set the record straight asshole, homey, it's the other way around, literally!!!

You see, King Ernie ( the fake ass false wanna be chief ) way back in the day, use to be a 'Pachuco'. And in case your unaware of the nomenclature of the barrio, a Pachuco was the term for a cholo in its ( and no, I don't even like to waste a proper pronoun on that ole piece 'o' shit ) generation! So as far as that prick being a poor harmless old man, well your a stupid ass idiot!!!! It is clearly evident that they're the only gang members around here, not us you stupid asshole. In fact, we're their victims retard, not the other way around!!!!

And speaking of gang members and bad asses, let's talk about your friend Andy Salas, aka Bud Bundy! If you really would read the San Gabriel P.D. Police report on that incident at the San Gabriel Mission, Bud Bundy and the rest of his thug/flunkies instigated that fight at the Mission! And as far as those alleged Tongva members that were involved in that fight?! Well Running Bitching, those so called Tongva weren't Tongva at all!! They were members of the other traitor group based in Santa Monica, no way in hell were they ever or ever will be associated with us!!!!

Now retard, according to you, this alleged brave Indian warrior is someone to be reckoned with and feared?! Embarrassing as this sounds, as soon as I read that dribble, I immediately headed to my bathroom to check my chones and see if I pissed too much from laughing too hard!!!! Oh please you moronic jackass, Bud Bundy is as intimidating and humerous as those Mexican little persons ( midget ) wrestlers. The only thing that sniveling posing little prick is missing is one of those Luchador wrestlers mask! And last but not least, before you keep going on of how much shit I have in my head, perhaps you should look upon the lack of brains you have between your ears.

That little thug asshole started a fist fight in a church parking lot, and you have got the nerve if not audacity to call us a gang?! You arrogant ignorant odious asshole!!!! You see Running Bitch, I'm kinda an expert on gangs. You see, back in the day when I was a little baby boy, growing up, I was the constant victim of bullies! Now, now, I don't want to start pulling on heart strings or bring out the violins for a pity party. But the truth is the truth.

And what I'm trying to get at Running Bitch is this, grade school & Jr. High was bad enough! But high school was three times as worse for me!!! You see, I didn't have to put up with the traditional Football bully, or creepy loner in the leather jacket that liked to smoke during lunchtime! Oh no..... Ninety percent of all my bullies at school were cholo gang members!!! Yup, you read right asshole, they were gang members ( oh, I don't expect you to understand my pain, you sound like a practiced bully yourself )!

Now I know what your probably thinking right now Running Bitch. Your probably thinking;

"Oh geez, Bird brain is so pathetic, this asshole is trying to paint himself as a victim or something"!

Well guess what dickhead, I am a victim! You and the rest of those bullying Kizh assholes are just that, bullies!!! And for you of all people to call me and my people gang members, us bullies?! You arrogant piece 'o' shit, how dare you!!!! As far as I'm concerned, if you and the rest of your fellow thugs keep calling us a 'Gang'?! Then we've been inspired by the presence of masters ( uh, that would be you asshole ).

Well once again, I've gotta call it a night. And your right Running Bitch, you and I can go back and forth and you and your kind will never dissuade or bully me. Because bullies like you, Bud Bundy and your boyfriend Dorian26 are cowards at your very core. And I learned to face my bullies like you, a long - long time ago in my life. The Kizh started this fight years ago when they betrayed and broke off from us. And if you think you can intimidate and threaten us, think again asshole!!! We will fight you and the Kizh bullying, we will fight you and your intimidating threats, we will fight the Kizh and your attempts to harm or control us!!!! So until next time, you can go passionately f}#% a pony and have a nice day. Your friend as always.

SkyEagle

Gabrieleno Tongva San Gabriel band of Mission Indians

'Pride, Honor & Survivors'

runndeer
runndeer

dumbs hit , I meant " dumb shit" must of had a Sky Eagle ( bird brain) moment.

runndeer
runndeer

Here's another one for your curiousity dumb shit sky eagle. " this is your gang leader right ..

Poor fool, your better off keeping your trap shut. You better take it easy on the Skin Flute it's F...king up your eye site . Yup your gang uses "INO "

Gabrielino/Tongva San Gabriel Band of Mission Indians

Anthony Morales, Chairperson

P.O. Box 693

San Gabriel, CA 91778

(626) 286-1632

BravoOne
BravoOne

@dorian26 I can say that because it is a human right for people to make their own decision which you continually fail to understand. Maybe one day you will learn. Just as some wish to call themselves Kizh or if some want to call themselves Tongva, let them make their own decisions. Respect people's decisions what's so hard to grasp about that? Not every village called themselves Kizh. and that my friend is also fact.



dorian26
dorian26

Meeting the Kizh

For a couple years now, I've been researching local history for a couple writing projects I'm working on, most recently a historical novel set in Orange County. I want to understand the history of the area where I live, the real unvarnished history, which is so full of struggle and suffering, especially for minority groups. No group of people understand this struggle and suffering better than the local Native American tribes, one of which is the Gabrieleno Band of Mission Indians, Kizh Nation. I've read various accounts written about this tribe, but most of these are written by non-natives and reflect a strong ethnocentric, and sometimes outright racist, bias. To find the real truth about this tribe's history, I have really been wanting to meet and talk with actual living tribe members. Today, I got that chance.

The Cooper Center in Ralph Clark Park (in Fullerton) hosted an event about Orange County's "prehistory," and the Gabrielenos were there, including their chief, Ernie Salas, and tribal historian, Timothy Poyrena-Miguel. I thought it was strange that these living tribe members were presented alongside dinosaur and mastodon fossils, as if to suggest that they are extinct. Indeed, some historians have regarded them as extinct, but they are not. They exist, and continue to fight for recognition and understanding. They are still not federally recognized, but are in the process of trying to gain this recognition.

Ernie Salas, Chief of the Kizh

I sat down with the tribal historian, Timothy. I didn't have any agenda or prepared questions.

"Tell me about your people," I said and, man, did he have a story to tell.

The history of the Kizh people goes back thousands of years. For millennia, they had developed a complex and beautiful culture, which included religion, astronomy, rich and varied cuisine, economy, and social structure. They developed ingenious ways to live sustainably off the land and its natural resources. The name of the tribe, Kizh, comes from the dome-like dwellings they lived in. They had tools, technology, clothing, handicrafts, dances. They were one of two California tribes who mastered boat-building, and traveled along the coast of Southern California.

Ernie blows the concha, to gather the tribe together.

In the 1700s, Spain began to colonize California, and thus began the long journey of suffering for the Kizh people. Contrary to what we learn in school and on field trips to California Missions, the Spanish were not a benevolent presence in California. The missions they established were like concentration camps, where Indians were forced to live as slaves, and abandon their three thousand-year tradition of sustainable living. Violence and disease decimated the local native populations. Many Kizh women were raped by Spanish soldiers and died of syphilis. Timothy compared Spanish figures like Father Junipero Serra to Nazis, in the way they systematically destroyed native cultures and lives.

Both Timothy and I expressed our frustration that the California Missions are taught to children in public schools as benevolent, even quaint examples of California history. The California Missions were west coast slavery for Native Americans. Why don't we tell our children the truth?

Things did not improve for Native Americans when Mexico won its independence, nor when the United States conquered California. Under American rule in the 1800s, Indian scalps would fetch a nice reward. Timothy told me the story of a whole Kizh village rounded up into a valley near where the Rose Bowl is today, and blasted with guns and cannons. Some children managed to escape, and found shelter among Mexican-American families in the San Gabriel area. Children of slain parents were adopted by Mexican-American families, and this is why Many Kizh people today have Spanish/Mexican surnames.

Due to widespread racism, these children feared to identify themselves as Indian, stopped speaking their native language, and learned Spanish or English.

One result of all this suffering and bloodshed was the eradication of the Kizh language. Timothy told me they have some words and songs that were passed down orally, but no one alive today speaks their native language.

As I listened to Timothy tell the story of his people, I felt a heaviness in my chest, a complex mixture of sadness, outrage, and compassion. It is this last bit, compassion, that I hope to evoke with my writings. If we don't know their history (and most people don't know Kizh history), we do not feel compassion. But, in listening to their stories, harrowing and horrific as they are, we develop a strong sense of compassion. We pay for the crimes of our ancestors, but we do not have to repeat those crimes. The act of storytelling can be a powerful, healing force. It is my hope that, in listening and sharing stories like this, a new chapter in the Kizh story may open, one of understanding, healing, and reconciliation.

dorian26
dorian26

How can you say that people have a right to identify as they wish when regarding to a certain tribe. When it comes to people wanting to know the truth about a specific tribe of a specific area , one needs to be truthful and specific in giving fact so that there is no more confusion or distorting history. In this case in regards to the natives of the Los Angeles basin , they were called Kizh (Kitc) not tongva there was no one tribe every every called tongva. And that my friend is fact.

BravoOne
BravoOne

@dorian26

I think it's you that doesn't get it.

 I'm not distorting anything. I acknowledge that Kizh is A legit name, albeit not substantiated to be the collective name for all LA Basin Natives .

What you're not getting is that people have a right to identify as they wish. In this case the name Tongva. You're imposing a name (Kizh) that many LA Basin Natives do not wish to use. That is such a paternalistic and "wasichu" like mannerism.

Your group has a right t identify as Kich, no one is saying otherwise. How hard is it to show others respect for making their own decisions?

Perhaps if all this name controversy were a genuine heartfelt concern executed in a good way instead of an egotistic and ulterior motive inclined endeavor yall might be able to win the hearts of your own people to all identify as such.

Until then we'll see how far all the character defamation and bullying will get people.

dorian26
dorian26

You still don't get it do you. Kizh ( Kitc ) means house these natives were known as the people of the willow houses as a tribe. These natives inhabited the entire Los Angeles basin including the Channel Islands . They were known to there selves as the Kizh people," people of the willow houses "although each native was from his or her own village name . Other tribes also called them Kizh just like the Serrano Spanish name for "mountaineer " but originally they were known as people of the pines. It is people like you and those that do not know the true name of these people that destort fact and history.

BravoOne
BravoOne

@dorian26 -  no hating at all relative. You're still denying Indigenous people their right to identify as they wish.. an unfavorable habit of western culture to impose their rules and criteria for how Native people should identify. There is nothing to substantiate that Kizh is what all the villages called  themselves, and  but if that's what some want to call themselves  then they have every right to do so.. but again a blog post doesn't substantiate the claim that that was the name fore the collective villages of the LA Basin Indigenous. nice try tho.

dorian26
dorian26

Don't be a hater my brother, no need to pull the race card you show me proof that the indigidious people of the Los Angeles basin were called tongva and I'll stop posting proof documentation that they were called Kizh "people of the willow brush houses.

 
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