The Little People's Park Riot of 1978

The scene that set the stage for Anaheim Latinos' eternal mistrust of police

Then shots rang out. A rival gang in a white Volkswagen drove by a group of partiers and opened fire. The gang sped out of the neighborhood, only to return and fire again. Richard Ornelas rushed into his nearby home to call the police, who responded immediately. But instead of pursuing the suspect, they began asking the 20 or so young adults in Little People's park why they were drinking.

The crowd was incredulous. Lonnie Menchaca, a National Guardsman in his uniform, yelled, "Where were you cops when we needed you? You fucking cops never back us up." When an officer ordered him to leave, Menchaca yelled back, "You have nothing to be proud of."

The officer ordered to him to leave or he'd be arrested for "interfering in the performance of my duties."

"I don't give a fuck," Menchaca responded.

At that point, the officer slammed Menchaca into the wall, to the horror of the crowd. Onlookers began shouting at the police to stop, to not kill Menchaca. Some of them threw rocks and bottles at the cops—and then it was on.

Police called a Code 3, and about 25 squad cars flooded the tiny community, wielding batons and Mace. No one was safe. Most of the crowd ran into a house, thinking the police couldn't go onto private property without a warrant; the police rushed them, pulled them out and began beating them. A woman asked for a officer's badge number and was arrested. Police handcuffed individuals, then proceeded to beat them. Another onlooker was clubbed on the head, fell to the ground unconscious and was left there. Residents fled to their homes, only to have doors broken down. Alfred Acosta, who wasn't even at Little People's Park, was beaten up once, dragged 100 feet and beaten up again, then handcuffed and beaten up one more time for good measure. When a resident went to the police station late that night to complain, he was arrested. One teenager, already hit with a baton twice and Maced in his eyes, hid in a bush; when officers asked why he was there, a police report quoted him as saying "he was hiding so he wouldn't be beaten again." He was then arrested.

Anaheim Mayor John Seymour—who'd later become a state and U.S. senator—wasted no time in calming the situation. Three days after the Little People's Park riot, Seymour, Councilman Don Roth (who'd later become an Orange County Supervisor) and Bastrup met with more than 30 residents at the city's Teen Drop-In Center to hear their complaints. The mayor was shocked at stories that this wasn't an isolated incident, that residents had long feared the police. "We shouldn't have to live like this," one tearful woman said. "If the police attack us, who can we turn to for protection? We are afraid."

"I don't know what can be done, but we want to help," Seymour told the crowd.

Bastrup was a bit more standoff-ish, telling the audience, "I have to sit in judgment of my officers, and I have to see the facts from both sides. I can't stay here and listen to hearsay evidence. I must remain objective."

Seymour asked those present to attend the following Tuesday's City Council meeting and "repeat your [stories] before the entire council." He also suggested that a citizen's police review commission be formed, a downright revolutionary idea then in vogue in progressive cities, certainly not in a law-and-order suburb such as Anaheim. More than 100 people attended the next meeting, and over the course of four hours, more than 20 speakers shared their stories of police abuse—and it wasn't just Latinos from Penguin City.

Donald Klonz recalled the horror of seeing his handcuffed son's head smashed against a car window after he was already apprehended for reasons no officer shared with him; when he went to the station to demand answers, a lieutenant warned him if he was going to "rant and rave," they'd send his son to Juvenile Hall and beat him up extra because he was a "big boy." Residents of an apartment complex complained that police raided a party, threw people into a pool and sprayed onlookers with Mace. Joseph Gaicalone described the raid as the "judgment of 1984" and warned, "If there is no justification for human rights in this case, I will assure you that Anaheim will be put on the map not as the pleasant place of Disneyland, but as a place of horror. I will promise that."

But the majority of the speakers that night had been at the Little People's Park riot. "The chief doesn't seem to have any control," said Richard Ornelas, a Penguin City resident who frantically called the FBI, begging for help. (The agency said it wasn't in the business of preventing crime.) "The council doesn't have any control. But someone must be controlling [the police]. They are committing criminal acts.

"We believe in the law, and we want to live in the law, and we want good law," he continued. "But our children and our young adults and our teenagers are growing up with a hatred of the law because this [has been going on for them] since they were little, and they are growing up this way, and we don't like it. It is time that this changes and this quits."

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Braveone
Braveone

Penguin City was not named after a fat ass lady walking around the varrio with kids following behind her. Duh, ducks do that, not penguins... Haven't you ever heard the saying " Ducks in a row". And as for penguins, " They may wobble but they don't fall down!!!" How Penguin City was named, only they know.

chicano
chicano

there were some cops that were beaten on that 1978 riot in the Penguins City varrio (in Anaheim's Little People's Park) by members of the Penguins City gang, which is that very same neighborhood.

But the Anaheim police and Anaheim city officials dont like to talk about it.

 

One of those cops was then-officer Lou Lopez (whom later became an anaheim Police Investigator, then an Anaheim City council-member, and then tried to run for County of Orange Supervisor), and is now retired.

 

 Officer Lopez was beaten unconscious by Penguins City gangmembers and “left for dead”, left hidden in some bushes behind one of the walls of Little People’s Park, in someone’s backyard.

After the rioting/fighting was over, everyone left, and when the officers got back to their police station, none of the officers knew where Officer Lopez was. Some thought he went home, but it wasn’t till the next day, that the Anaheim PD officers went back to the Penguins City varrio, and later found officer Lopez unconscious and tied up, buried underneath some bushes behind the walls of the old/original Little People's Park (cause that park was remodeled and expanded 2 times later on in 1990, then again in 1992. The original park during the 1970’s was ugly, old, deteriorated and was nicknamed a "shooting gallery" cause many “Tecatos” (veteran gangsters that always “shoot” heroin) would "slam"(inject) heroin there everyday in the restrooms, and behind the walls).

 

There was no police report & no news report on Officer Lopez getting beaten into unconsciousness, cause it would be an embarrassment to their anaheim police department, cause they never knew which Penguins City gangmembers did it, and they never caught anyone. Especially since it was 1978, and the police didn’t have the modern equipment then, that they use now (modern times) to catch suspects/criminals.

 

Another incident that happened in the Penguins City varrio (in Anaheim) in the 1970's, that the anaheim police department ignores and keeps quiet about, is when one of their police helicopters was shot down in Anaheim by a member of the Penguins City gang and that anaheim police officer in it was killed after the copter crashed down in the intersection of Broadway & Harbor (in the Anaheim).

 

That helicopter was conducting a drug surveillance operation on the Penguins City varrio, and was just hoovering above the Bank of America building (corner of Broadway  & Harbor in Anaheim). Then one of the Penguins City gangsters, used a firearm and shot it down.

 

The police never caught the Penguins City gangmember that shot down that Anaheim police helicopter that killed that anaheim police officer pilot in it.

That’s why the anaheim police are too ashamed to talk about it, and keep that incident very quiet.

 

After that those brutal/fatal incidents between the Penguins City gangsters and the Anaheim police department happened during the 1970's, Anaheim city officials wanted to calm tensions down and didn’t want Penguins City gangsters to hurt anymore Anaheim cops, so in around 1979-1980, city officials gave the Penguins City gangsters a boxing gym in their barrio, underneath the gray First Presbyterian Church basement (corner of Broadway & Clementine) which was named Anaheim/Athletic Boxing Club.

 

But then years later, in 1987, another member (Vincent Acosta) of the Penguins City gang, led police across Orange County in a wild police pursuit, that caused two helicopters to crash, killing 2 officers, & 1 reporter.

 

19 yr. old Vincent Acosta (an Anaheim High School alumni, Class of 1986, didn’t graduate cause he dropped out of school earlier) then drove back up the 55 freeway to the 91 east and got off on the Lemon St, off-ramp in Anaheim (where the Anaheim Drive-in used to be, and now is La Curacao [a Mexican electronics store) and Lowes store.

 

By the time Acosta got off the 91 freeway, his front tire rubber was gone and he was driving on that bare rim, and was able to drive down/south Anaheim Blvd. from La Palma avenue with the bare rim screeching/ sparking as he drove down Anaheim Blvd with cop cars and helicopters chasing him down till he made it to Elm St. (his barrio-Penguins City), where the car finally stalled near that mural store (in the pic of this web page) @ Lemon St & Elm St. (in Anaheim) and was jumped by many cops in front of his family and friends.

 

God helped Vincent get to his Penguins City neighboorhood, cause if that car would’ve stalled sooner on the freeway or the Lemon St. off-ramp, the cops might've killed him there with no witnesses around.

But he was able to drive that car till it stalled in his Penguins City varrio in front of his family and many witnesses.

 

Here are Links:

 

http://www.ocregister.com/news/mesa-238644-officers-costa.html

 

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/police-343991-mesa-officers.html

  

 

Acosta (with a tattoo on his back with letters A  P C  in old english letters, which stands for: Anaheim Penguins City) was only 19 years old then, and was unjustly sentenced to 45 years to life in prison), which was later overturned cause the appeals court knew that it was the helicopter pilots' fault, and not Acosta's. So, Acosta ended up doing 5 years (from 1987-1992) of the original 45 year sentence.

 

Acosta did time at Folsom State Prison, and was then transferred to Pelican Bay State Prison (the highest secured prison in the country), in Crescent City, where many are locked down 24/7 in the S.H.U. (Secured Housing Unit, where they usually send the most dangerous prisoners ) with 1 hour outdoor exercise yard. A portable shower comes to each unit. 

 

After that 1987 copter crash, anaheim city officials were very angry, and then had the boxing gym closed (later moved far to the YMCA) , and then had most of the Penguins City neighborhood demolished.

 

They also torned down Acosta's home, which used to be in the NorthEast corner of Helena & Elm St. intersection (in Anaheim) in that Penguins City varrio.

 

Acosta's home is the only property that was torned down in that block alone, cause city officials and police wanted to erase the painfull memories that they (the police & city officials) endured for many years at the hands of Penguins City gangsters.

 

A tan/peach/vanilla colored new small 2nd story apartments was built where Acosta’s home used to be.

 

The other block next/across from Acosta's former home, was demolished entirely as a whole, and new gray colored condos/apartments were built there.

 

But the muraled store (named IBEROAMERICA) is still there (as the pic on this webpage shows) and there are still younger generations of Penguins City gangsters around today.

 

like one of the older veterano Penguins City gangster used to spray on the walls : APC .... siempre rifando (always multiplying).

 

 Acosta was later arrested in 2006 with many false charges against him that were later dropped, but he’s still locked up for a few remaining charges.

 

Here is a link

http://www.ocregister.com/news/prison-24826-acosta-mexican.html

 

 

 

justbob
justbob

I really think it is time to move on from this debate about Mexico being stolen, years ago they did this and that to us, etc.  While some of those stories ave valuable to understand frustration and anger, there is enough of that out there. We need to move forward and talk about solutions for today.  The work we do today is what is going to make things better for all.  Give up the past.  It is what it is.  If you are going to spend time on this issue, find things we have in common and build.  Remember: Gustavo has an economic interest in writing in this manner, and judging by the comments too many of you are buying in and just spewing hate and your own version of how you want to see the past.  How is any of that valuable to growth?  Move on!!  Today!  What are we going to do today?  Where can we find common ground?  How can we build?  Articles like this, which do contain important clues as to how tensions have built up, only serve to fuel division.  Move on.  Where do we go from here?  What do people in the community want?  What are viable solutions?  What is the plan?  How can we get involved?  We are all in this together.  Gustavo, I would really prefer you write more articles that serve a purpose, that move us from one place to another.  Too much of your writing brings out these ignorant douches.  I'm over it.  Top 10 viable solutions, with some reasonable details.  If we are going to debate, as we should, we need to debate SOLUTIONS.  I realize you make your living writing like this, so challenge yourself a little, like we all need to do, and start talking solutions.  You have proven to be an outstanding a shit-pot stirer, now lets see some solution-oriented journalism.  Do you have it in you?

gracemanlr
gracemanlr

I was live-in manager of the Alano Club on Broadway next to the barrio in the early 1980's. On a day to day basis this was a quiet neighborhood of good working class families. Despite the imposition of our club with its weekend sober teen dances and sometimes large evening meetings and the parking problems there was never a problem with the community there.

 

Thank you for the story Gustavo. Kind of glad I'm only learning of it now. 

themightyquinn
themightyquinn

Gee, where are all these anti-"Big Government" White "Christian" Conservative assholes when it comes to corrupt cops harrassing the public and not doing their jobs? I can understand " pendejadas" coming out of the mouths of shit for brains like "Bitch" Young and "Fucks"ward, no one gives a shit what they think, but where's RAZA at to call these other FUCKERS out on their B.S.? Oh, and not to knock you  GABACHOS off your moral high horse but the last time I checked it wasn't "chicano" criminal activity that defrauded AMERICAN  taxpayers out of TRILLIONS of hard earned dollars to bail out your scumbag CEO's with the help of their head MAFIOSO G.W. BUSH and CO. !

chicano
chicano

some cops were beaten on that 1978 riot in Anaheim's Little People's Park by members of the Penguins City gang, which is in that very same neighborhood.

 

One of those cops was then-officer Lou Lopez (whom later became city council-member, and then tried to run for County Supervisor).

 

 Officer Lopez was beaten unconscious and left for dead, hidden in some bushes. After the rioting/fighting was over, everyone left, and when the officers got back to their police station, none of the officers knew where Officer Lopez was. Some thought he went home, but it wasnt till the next day, that the Anaheim PD officers went back to the Penguins City neighborhood, and later found officer Lopez unconciuos and tied up, buried underneath some bushes behind the walls of Little People's Park.

 

There was no police report & no news report on it cause it would be an embarrassment to their anaheim police department, cause they never knew which Penguins City gangmembers did it, and they were never caught.

 

Another incident in the late 1970's, that the anaheim police department ignores and keeps quiet about, is when one of their police helipcopters was shot down by a member of the Penguins City gang and the anaheim police officer in it was killed after the copter crashed down in the intersection of Broadway & Harbor.

That helicopter was conducting a drug surveillance operation on the Penguins City neighborhood, and was just hoovering above the Bank of America building. Then one of the Penguins City gangster, used a firearm and shot it down.

The police never caught the person that shot and killed that anaheim police officer.

 

After that those incidents in the late 1970's, city officials wanted to calm tensions down, and gave these gangsters a boxing gym, underneath the First Presbysterian Church basement (corner of Broadway & Clementine).

 

But then years later, in 1987, another member (Vincent Acosta) of the Penguins City gand, led police across Orange county in a wild police pursuit, and caused two helicopter to crash, killing 2 officers, & 1 reporter.

 

http://www.ocregister.com/news/prison-24826-acosta-mexican.html

 

after that 1987 copter crash, anaheim city officials were very angry, and then had the boxing gym closed (later moved far to the YMCA) , and then had most of the Penguins City neighborhood demolished. 

JamesRobertReade
JamesRobertReade

Diaz attempted to escape prosecution by intentionally posturing from the hip to fake the aiming of a firearm at a peace officer – Acepta las consecuencias cuando competes un crimen! James Robert Reade.

JamesRobertReade
JamesRobertReade

Arrest, Legitimately charge, heavily fine and sweep gangbangers, their graffiti vandal teen brothers and culpable parents from Anaheim! We must unite with our police department and fully support the Anaheim Police Association. We must without compromise protect our police officer's right to defend against the overwhelming domination of gangbangers and graffiti vandals. The end of gangbanging in Anaheim is near! James Robert Reade.

JamesRobertReade
JamesRobertReade

Daniel Rowlett Vice President of Mr. Packaging in Anaheim was truck jacked and stabbed twelve times to death for his wallet by an Anna Drive gangbanger on July 4th. Three gangbangers shot at police who were patrolling Midway Drive on June 1. Police did not fire back. Police arrested all three. A gangbanger stole a vehicle and shot at police on Guinida Lane near Midway Drive on July 22. These three incidents illustrate the complete disregard gangbangers have for human life. Gangbanging in Anaheim is coming to an end! James Robert Reade.

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young

Given the huge police and governmental corruption in Mexico, wouldn't that be the true 'root' of Mexicans distrust of police (oh, and the fact that  Mexicans and 'Latinos' born here are disproportionately engaged in criminal activity)

swatgunner
swatgunner

Little People's Park has always been a Tijuana toilet, just like the Anna Drive collective hovel. Anaheim PD has always had lots of officers of Mexican descent. These officers couldn't stand the illegal alien criminals and gangsters in that area either. I fully support maximum enforcement by the APD coupled with ongoing mass arrests. You let this subhuman food stamp garbage take an inch, and they'll take a mile. Wipe 'em out now and drive 'em back to Mexico before it gets any worse. These people are dirty and filthy.

chicano
chicano

Penguins City got its name in the late 1960's/early 1970's from the black jackets & white t-shirts that those neighborhood kids wore to Fremont Jr. high school (in Anaheim), making them look like Penguins. Penguins City was named in the late 1960's or early 1970's by other regular students @ the then and old Fremont Jr. HIgh School (used to be in Anaheim, between Broadway & Santa Ana st, right next to the Anaheim Library & police department, before it was torned down in the mid 1980's to build new apartments), after they nicknamed lots of the Mexican-American youth from that Little People's Park Mexican-American low-income neighborhood (Varrio), cause those youths were in a car club named "The Shades of Brown" and most of them wore the then-famous popular "Fonz" jackets (from the then recent popular TV show Happy Days), which was leather black, and wearing the white t-shirts inside, made them look like PENGUINS, since they were always hanging out together all dressed the same with black jackets/white t-shirt inside. So, the regular students at Fremont Jr. High used to call these youths Penguins, cause they looked like Penguins. The low-income neighboorhood (Varrio) the Mexican-american youth mostly lived in, was different from most of the rest of Anaheim, cause outside of Penguins City was mostly anglos and nicer quieter neighborhood, But Penguins City was a low-income varrio, and was basically its own city. A city within the city of Anaheim.... Penguins City. Thats how the name came about. Many generations of Penguins City gangsters have the letters: A P C tattooed in their bodies. APC are the initials that stand for: Anaheim Penguins City others have PC tattooed and others just have the word Penguins tattooed on them others have Penguins City tattoed on them and other have AHM P C tattoed on them. but it all means the same: PENGUINS , or PENGUINS CITY

fretsward
fretsward

@justbob

That question is akin to finding fur on a fish. In the time-honored virtuoso demonstration of race baiting, pretentious righteousness, and impaired sincerity, Gustavo takes to the theater to sweep the true problems facing Orange County and the state under the rug, dismisses criticism, and spreads the blame among others. This is a level of contemporary speciousness, lettuce liberal stupefying spin, and inane fictitious stories which you can only ask with bemused incredulity and awe: Does he really think people believe this pap? You have got to be kidding?

 

Or, more accurately, how does he do this without accountability? It can be attributed to Gustavo’s attention-grabbing effect as the last compelling individual. He presents nothing other than abject scandalous gossip with any real substantial evidence, only conjecture. The dour, cynical manifestation, the absolutism, the secular comportment, the sense of conveying his slant with the reader, and, in spewing his fiction, allows him the concession and attempt to tell us what he thinks is momentous, but is downright painfully trivial.

 

His high ground trick is destined to be studied as the new public relations standard. His avoiding the real issues does not follow the impartiality playbook, because like all things La Raza, the playbook must be rewritten to allow those who don’t deserve to even have a seat in the stands an opportunity to watch the game –as long as they boo the National Anthem first.  

 

He has changed the perspective of the prejudiced argument with indisputable assertions.

 

And nothing kills dialogue like a general and boring truth…

 

chicano
chicano

 @justbob What happened in the past (1840's US invasion/theft of Mexico's California & Texas, has an effect of what happnes now-modern times.

 

many spew hate on Mexicans, saying that we use too many resources, etc.

 

I'm just pointing out that  those resources are our very own resources, because the US stole billions of dollars worth of Gold during the Ca Gold Rush (1840's), and Oil from Texas (both Mexican states),  which is what made the US rich and an industrialized nation, and is now leeching off of Mexico's resources.

 

American politics today are racist towards Mexicans, yet these dirty politicians are hypocrites, because they're all living off of Mexico's resources.

chicano
chicano

 @gracemanlr There were a few riots between the Penguins City gangsters and the clubgoers in the 1990's.

 

One of them happened when one gangster-Rafael Martinez threw punches with one of the club-goers, that turned into a riot on Lemon street, between Broadway & Elm St.

He went to jail for that later on. They have a police report on him.

 

There were 2 other riots/ fighting between that club and the Penguins City gangsters.

in those other 2 riots, they took another Penguins City gangster (Joe Maciel a/k/a "Crazy Joe") to jail too. They have a police report on him too.

fretsward
fretsward

@chicano

The Anaheim Police Department helicopter you mentioned was involved in surveillance while assisting ground units. It was piloted by Officers Gary A. Nelson and Robert DePartee. While monitoring the route of drug suspects, "Angel" collided into a high mountain of Idyllwild, instantly killing Officer Nelson and seriously injuring co-pilot DePartee. The Department was stunned. Hundreds of law enforcement officials throughout California joined in the services to pay their final respects for Anaheim's second law enforcement officer to be killed in the line of duty.

 

In a fitting tribute, the Anaheim Police Department Heliport was dedicated to the memory of Officer Gary A. Nelson.

 

In the second erroneous statement of yours is just that. The helicopters you mention that were assisting officers in the chase were from the Newport Beach and Costa Mesa police departments. They collided over a field near UC Irvine. The chase began in Santa Ana, continued through Newport Beach and Costa Mesa and ended in Anaheim when Acosta abandoned the stolen car.

 

Costa Mesa Police Officers John William Libolt and James David Ketchum, and Jeffrey Pollard, a civilian fixed-wing flight instructor who had never flown in a helicopter until that night were killed.

 

A preliminary investigation indicated that the skid of the Newport Beach Hughes 300 helicopter made contact with the main rotor blades of the Costa Mesa Hughes 500E helicopter.

 

It was the first mid-air collision of law enforcement helicopters in Southern California. Police helicopter crews fly under VFR (visual flight rules), requiring them to watch out for other aircraft. Unlike fixed-wing aircraft, they are not subject to FAA regulation governing police helicopters, which operate on a see-and-be-seen basis.

 

Moments before the collision, as the Costa Mesa helicopter approached the Newport Beach city limits in the pursuit, the Costa Mesa crew turned over the chase to the Newport Beach Hughes 300C.

 

The Costa Mesa helicopter then turned to the right (starboard), and was at the 2 o'clock position when the Newport helicopter lost sight of it. The Costa Mesa Hughes 500E police helicopter turned to resume the chase and rammed into the landing skids of the Newport Beach police helicopter. The Newport Beach helicopter lost electrical and engine power on impact. Its right landing skid was ripped off by the Costa Mesa helicopters main rotor blades.

 

Costa Mesa copter suffered disintegration of the main rotor blades – one slicing through the helicopter’s tail section and impacted the ground in a fiery explosion. The Newport Beach helicopter auto-rotated and landed in a field off Bonita Canyon Drive. The aircraft landed upright, but fell over on its right side.

 

The two Newport Beach helicopter pilots, Myles Elsing and Robert Oakley, were hospitalized for treatment of injuries. The accident was a fluke. It is much safer to pursue vehicles in chases by helicopter than by ground. Libolt and Ketchum were the first police officers to die in the line of duty since Costa Mesa incorporated in 1953.

 

You keep up the fiction and you may even get an opportunity to write for the OC Weekly…

 

chicano
chicano

 @Mitchell_Young the US governmemt is more corrupt than most people think.

1.) The 9/11 attacks was an inside job, where the US government planted implosives inside both wordl trade centers to bring them down and murder thousands of their own police, firemen, & other american business people.

 

http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm

 

http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Journal_2_Evidence_for_demolition_20.pdf

 

2.) A.I.D.S. virus is man-made virus, for Genocide purposes, made by the US government to get rid of undesireables. 

 

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/aids_origin.htm

 

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/AIDS_is_man-made_-_Interview_with_Dr_Boyd_Graves_1597.shtml

 

http://rense.com/general57/manmade.htm

 

 

 

Braveone
Braveone

Spermguzzler, whatever you call yourself, I'm not surprised the way your racist mind thinks. You talk about "PENGUINS" as if you have any street smarts or knowledge of street gangs when it's obvious you do not. If you did you would know the "A.P.C." Varrio is one of the first and most respected

proud_chicano
proud_chicano

 @swatgunner What the fuck is a "tijuana toilet"? You sound like a typical white racist piece of shit! The area where Little People's Park is located was a Mexican-American neigborhood back in the 1970's My parents who grew up in barrios in nearby cities knew people from there they weren't illegal aliens they were Americans you idiot didn't you read the articles they had American first names. Yes there was gang activity there but there weren't really illegals there maybe now as the article stated mexican immigrants have moved in as the old American-Mexican families have moved out. How would you know unless you grew up in Anaheim back in those days. I have family members who grew up in Anaheim during those times and they knew people who lived there too and they sad it wasn't overrun with illegals either. Also you can't send all Hispanics back to mexico because many of us are born here and have lived here forever you can send the illegals back if you want but not people like me you fucking loser!

 

fretsward
fretsward

 @swatgunner It's okay to express one's stance, and I am not ashamed or fearful to let anyone know my opinion of illegal aliens or Latino agitators. 

 

With that said, the last sentence especially was out-of-bounds man...

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

 @swatgunner Always nice to hear from people who happily act as the Linda Lovelace of law enforcement again and again!

chicano
chicano

 @swatgunner Mexicans are the original landowners here in CA, and N. America, with almost 20,000 years of ancestry. You americans came here on wagons in the 1840's and tresspassed onto California to later steal CA from Mexico.

 

and any food stamps, benifits Mexicans get, are our own resources we're using, cause the US stole millions worth od Gold from Mexico.

 

Mexicans are naturally cleaner than you americans.

you americans brought deceases from your ancestors (of Europe), and have now polluted our (Mexico's) land and air. 

guerro
guerro

 @swatgunner Anytime you see the word "People's" in connection with a park, movement, or organization, you know it's low class, low rent, and ethically challenged.

fretsward
fretsward

@chicano

3).

The other half, fully realized in the Texas Creation Myth but as yet only potential in the ongoing conflict with Mexico, concerned the Anglo-American capacity and even destiny to do what Mexico could not: defeat the Indians and provide security to the long-suffering residents of northern Mexico. Polk had instructed his generals to promise precisely this to Mexicans in the field, and he took pains to assure Congress that this was his intention when he finally made explicit his territorial ambitions in late 1847. The Mexican government should desire to place New Mexico "under the protection" of the US, the president explained, because Mexico was too feeble to stop bands of "warlike savages" from committing depredations not only above the Rio Grande, but also upon more populous states below.

 

Thus the cession would improve life for Mexicans north of the line, but more importantly "it would be a blessing to all the northern states to have their citizens protected against [the Indians] by the power of the United States. At this moment many Mexicans, principally females and children, are in captivity among them, Polk continued. If New Mexico were held and governed by the United States, we could effectually prevent these tribes from committing such outrages, and compel them to release these captives, and restore them to their families and friends.

 

Every senator had to decide for himself, because Article Eleven of the proposed Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo bound U.S. authorities both to restrain Indians residing north of the new border from raiding into Mexico, and to rescue Mexican captives held by Indians. Treaty negotiator Nicolas Trist told Secretary of State James Buchanan that Mexico's northern states would never have approved the treaty without Article Eleven, and Mexicans took Trist's support as proof that he saw their cause as the cause of all cultured nations, that of civilization versus barbarism. The article echoed Polk's self-assured rhetoric, but more importantly it called such confidence to task. All the talk about incompetent and cowardly Mexicans, contemptible Comanches, Anglo-Americans easily defeating the Indians and turning deserts into gardens—was this bravado or conviction? They failed. The majority of senators, men better versed in the rhetoric than the reality of Mexico's conflicts with Indians, voted to ratify a treaty that enshrined US obligations for preventing Indian raids into Mexico.

 

They apparently did so because they had persuaded themselves that the United States would indeed save northern Mexico, simply by letting Anglo-Americans and their superior energies flow into the new territories. They would quickly defeat the wandering savages, redeem the helpless Mexican captives, and rescue the vast, derelict garden of western North America from Mexican neglect. After the Mexican Revolution, the new republic of Mexico laid bogus claims to these unsettled lands for nearly 23 years. And still does. The overall plan, however, is to create a colossal Mexican population in the US and achieve total Mexican voting superiority, answerable only to La Raza and Mexico City. Today millions of Mexicans – legal, dual-citizen and illegal vote in the US. The latest statistics show that ten million Mexicans are approaching voting age, and that an additional ten to fifteen million illegal aliens are today awaiting amnesty so that they too can vote.

 

How many of those who do, or will register to vote are actual citizens of this country? And do Americans really think they will honor federal law when the first step they have taken to reside here is to break the law?

fretsward
fretsward

@chicano

2).

The United States acquired the unsettled northern half of Mexico. This area later became the US states of California, Nevada, Arizona (named by Lincoln), New Mexico and Utah.In addition to plundering homes, taking captives, and seizing horses and mules, southern plains men exerted great energy and took great risks to kill Mexicans, slaughter thousands of pigs, cows, goats, and sheep, and set fire to dwellings, barns, and granaries. In October 1844, for example, several hundred raiders attacked settlements in northern Tamaulipas. While they took many horses and captives, they also burned to death men, women, and children at Los Moros, killed many men who came to help, and later killed hundreds of residents of Rancho de la Palmita.

 

The Comanches and their allies killed thousands of Mexicans in the twelve years before the US-Mexican War—a figure that amounts to ten Mexicans killed for every two the raiders tried to capture. Southern plains Indians occasionally became so engrossed with the work of killing Mexicans, slaughtering animals, and destroying their property that Mexican forces in most cases had time to converge on the scene and deprive them of their spoils. Famously fractious and anti-authoritarian, Comanche society consisted of interlocking segments. The smallest family units moved in larger gatherings of extended kin, groups of extended families collectively formed a band, and each of the four Comanche tribes existing in the 1830s and 1840s (Kotsotekas, Yamparikas, Tenewas, and Hois) consisted of several bands. Any explanation for how individuals cooperated so effectively within and across these diffuse organizational units to forge consensus and act on public goals would have to consider a host of mechanisms, all supported by networks of blood, affine, and fictive kinship. Some of the more important included emerging military societies, public dances, the traditional roles of women in policing male honor, and the integrative functions of tribal and pan-tribal meetings.

 

In the abstract, the huge campaigns organized in this way were supposed to be brief, to culminate with an enemy's death, and to remain conceptually distinct from the much smaller and informal "raids" targeting animals and captives. But these distinct endeavors seem to have collapsed into one in the years before the US invasion, thanks to the peculiar manner in which profits intersected with dangers in northern Mexico. While many Comanches and Kiowas made reputations and fortunes raiding Mexicans between 1834 and 1846, hundreds of southern plains men lost their lives. Kiowas often chose the deaths of prominent men killed while raiding in Mexico as the touchstone events of the year, memorializing them in their painted calendars. So in fundamental, physical sense, Mexican bloodshed was blamed for the Indian raids that had wrecked northern Mexico. The Texas Creation Myth featured mixed-blood Mexican "Zamboes" who, from either "their dread of Indians" or their "want of personal prowess or military skill, had been too lazy to cultivate the soil, and too cowardly to resist the aggressions of the northern Indians. Stories about Indian raids from elsewhere in northern Mexico had the similar effect of rhetorically invalidating Mexico's claim to the land, only on a much larger scale. Mexicans also arrived at a rough consensus on why Indians had done such damage to the northern third of their nation, but it took them more than a decade to get there. Everyone acknowledged that the once-formidable Spanish defenses had declined and that Indians found it easier to raid than before. But that opportunity spoke more to how Indians accomplished their raids than to why they launched them in the first place. In reaching for ultimate causes, northern Mexicans tended initially to attribute the violence to what they saw as the base, animalistic, evil nature of los salvajes, whereas prominent authorities in Mexico City pointed to the Indians' disadvantaged, pitiable condition. Many disagreed with his position, certainly, but no one challenged the notion that Indians were dismantling Mexico's accomplishments in the north. This is surely a basic reason why, except in narrow debates about the Texas-Mexico border, opponents of the war and of the cession spoke of Mexico's territorial rights only rarely and in generalities.

 

 

fretsward
fretsward

@chicano

1).

For you La Raza and rhetoric have undoubtedly gone together for so long that you forgot to forget that facts also matter – and these facts often contradict folklore. Fantasies and fallacies about history have become so ridiculous, you seem extremely lucky that stupidity is not painful. Exposing some semblance of history will be more than an academic exercise.

 

A fortiori, left unexplained, is why ascribing it to a particular Mexican Studies Program rather than ones own alleged cognitive conclusion is the qualifier. And certainly nothing in yet another example of spurious scientific data suggests that you can draw these conclusions regarding the basis of interaction of agenticity and patternicity, in which the only fact presented, is that your commentary is nothing but unabashed La Raza ignorance. Go back to watching Dora the Explorer. Take a look at your arrogant stupefying claims.

 

This is what we Americans spend on you: Federal Expenditures Illegal Aliens (categories too numerous to list separately)SUB TOTAL $202,795,400,000 ---

 

State/Local Expenditures Illegal Aliens Education 71,397,100,000

Medical 61,823,500,000

Justice 19,687,200,000

Welfare 106,484,900,000

General 20,817,900,000

TOTAL $220,211,000,000 ---

GROSS TOTAL $423,060,400,000  

 

These are the dismal numbers you and yours bring to the table:

Federal Taxes Collected from Illegal Aliens $8,456,600,000

State and Local Taxes Collected from Illegal Aliens - $3,955,200,000

 

From upwards of 40 million illegal aliens?

 

This is what Americans are left with after your significant contribution:

NET TOTAL $410,648,600,000 + each year and growing.

 

This ongoing massive, unopposed invasion by millions of illegal aliens into the US is a very dynamic movement by the Mexican government, subversive Mexicans who have become American citizens by misinterpretation of our 14th Amendment and their movement to saturate the Southwest states of CA, AZ, NM, CO, TX, UT and NV.  Mexicans call these states Aztlan, which is the territory ceded to the US by Mexico after the war as part of the Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo of 1848, which they expect to have some type of control of once again, but never had control before the war, and never will – at least in our lifetime representing only 16 percent of the population (even with illegal aliens counts).

 

In the latter half of the 19th century, there were many cultures striving for control of what is now the American Southwest, mainly the southern half of present-day Arizona, which was purchased by the United States in 1853. American Indian tribes, such as the Apaches (and there were various), had original claims to the lands that were overtaken by the Mexican invasion of missions at Tubac and Tucson, which were later overrun with American settlers and soldiers laying their claims to this new American territory.

 

These struggles for power created tension between all of the peoples of southern Arizona, originally between the Apache tribes and Mexicans, and then morphing into a trifecta of clashes between all of the races for control of the land. The microscopic bands of Mexican families abandoned ranches and land given to them by the Mexican government because of the Native American offensives in the early 1840's, and moved to safer areas closer to the American military strongholds of Tucson and Tubac.

 

It was a bloody period. Americans fought Indians, Indians fought Americans, Mexicans fought Indians, Indians fought Mexicans, Americans fought Mexicans, Mexicans fought Americans, and Indians fought Indians.

 

Around 1775, the population of New Spain was under 124,000. It wasn't until 1800 that the numbers reached 200,000. Disease and the deaths by Native American raids kept the population numbers low. By 1810, famine descended on New Spain. In 1823-24, the 13-yr old Mexican Republic passed new colonization laws in order to substantiate their claim to western lands with fraudulent deeds confiscated from the Spanish.

 

The new Republic of Mexico recruited US citizens to settle under conditions that they would become Mexican citizens. The impresarios acted as fraud land agents for the Mexican government. Although the first few years were hard, the settlers persevered. Later, contracts called for the settlement of just eight families. It was through fake land grants that the guise was established. How could Mexicans get to these lands without first traversing the gauntlet of Indians that would attack them on sight?  What is now Tucson had less than 45 persons of Mexican decent? California had less than 60. Holders of Spanish and Mexican land grants had to seek legal confirmation of their titles. No proof could be made. The deeds were in fact, counterfeit. It is quite a feat to explore and claim lands from ships as demonstrated by the Spaniards. America never stole land from Mexico. There was war, and the lands were purchased after, even though ownership claims by Mexico were false.

 

Texas was at once part of Mexico, but it won independence and became a sovereign nation. Texas citizens voted to become part of the US. Even back then, they did not want to live in Mexico. Comanche’s pushed the Spaniards out of Texas and eastern New Mexico over 200 years ago. Neither Spaniards nor Mexicans ever managed to return. In pursuing their own material, strategic and cultural goals, polities in the Mexican north remade the ground upon which Mexico and the United States would compete in the mid-1840s. Raids and counter-raids claimed thousands of lives, ruined critical sectors of northern Mexico's economy, stalled the north's demographic growth, depopulated much of its vast countryside, and fueled divisive conflicts between Mexicans at nearly every level of political integration.

 

Comanche’s used to ride across the Rio Grande every fall to attack Mexican villages, killing, scalping, plundering and carrying off captives and livestock. Thousand of horses and mules had been carried off, wrote one English eyewitness. As far as the eye can see, the people have been killed or left dying, ranches destroyed, and the inhabitants having fled with their doors still open. The truth is Mexicans were helpless against the Native American tribes. On February 2, 1848, The Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo was signed, later to be ratified by both the US and Mexican Congresses. The treaty called for the annexation of the Spanish deeded northern portions of Mexico to the United States. In return, the US agreed to pay $15 million to Mexico as compensation for the territory.  

 

The United States acquired the unsettled northern half of Mexico. This area later became the US states of California, Nevada, Arizona (named by Lincoln), New Mexico and Utah.In addition to plundering homes, taking captives, and seizing horses and mules, southern plains men exerted great energy and took great risks to kill Mexicans, slaughter thousands of pigs, cows, goats, and sheep, and set fire to dwellings, barns, and granaries. In October 1844, for example, several hundred raiders attacked settlements in northern Tamaulipas. While they took many horses and captives, they also burned to death men, women, and children at Los Moros, killed many men who came to help, and later killed hundreds of residents of Rancho de la Palmita. 

chicano
chicano

I forgot to add:

 

That "Crazy Joe" threw blows one time with Officer Palmer in an Alley and punched/swelled Officer Palmer's face, then Officer Sullivan jumped in and tackled Crazy Joe, and took him to jail.

 

Its funny that he got out in about 2-3 months and the authorities dropped the "assault on a police officer charge" on him.

The police were embarrased that Officer Palmer suffered an injury by a Penguins City gangster.

chicano
chicano

That helicopter was shot down & crashed in Anaheim in the late 1970's @ Broadway & Harbor by Penguins City gangsters, not in Idyllwild as the cover-up/made-up story you and the anaheim p.d. makes.

 

The anaheim p.d. falsely stated that it happened in Idyllwild, cause they're to ashamed to admit that their copter was shot down in Anaheim, by members of the Penguins City gang, and they could never catch the gangsters that shot it down, so they came up with an "Idyllwild crash", which is about 30 miles away in the San Bernardino mountains (lame fake excuse).

 

Just like the cover-up the fact that then anaheim p.d officer-Lou Lopez was jumped and beaten unconsious by members of the Penguins City gang, that he was not found till the next day by his anaheim pd officers.

 

 

 

*****

 

and there's nothing erronous about the 1987 crash.

 

As, I stated: 2 copters crached, 3 people died.

I even posted a link on it.

 

Those copters crashed cause of pilot stupidity.

an investigation concluded that the pilot was "messing around" as he flew and that caused him to lose control and hit the other copter.

you want proof?

read the comments on this link:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/police-343991-mesa-officers.html

 

 

19 yr. old Vincent Acosta (an Anaheim High School Class of 1986, dropped out of school sooner) then made it back up the 55 freeway to the 91 east and got off on the Lemon St, offramp in Anaheim (where the Anaheim Drive-in used to be, and now is La Curacao [a Mexican electronics store).

By the time he got off the 91 freeway, his front tire rubber was gone and he was driving on that bare rim, and was able to drive down/south Anaheim Blvd. to make it to Elm St. (his barrio-Penguins City), where the car finally stalled near that mural store (in the pic of this web page) @ Lemon St & Elm St. and was jumped by many cops in fron of his afmily and friends.

 

God helped Vincent get to his Penguins City neighboorhood, cause if that car wouldve stalled sooner on the freeway or the Lemon St. offramp, the cops might've killed him there. But he was able to drive that car till it stalled in his neighborhood in front of many witnesses.

 

Here are Links:

 

http://www.ocregister.com/news/mesa-238644-officers-costa.html

 

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/police-343991-mesa-officers.html

 

 

 

chicano
chicano

That helicopter was shot down & crashed in Anaheim in the late 1970's @ Broadway & Harbor by Penguins City gangsters, not in Idyllwild as the cover-up/made-up story you and the anaheim p.d. makes.

 

The anaheim p.d. falsely stated that it happened in Idyllwild, cause they're to ashamed to admit that their copter was shot down in Anaheim, by members of the Penguins City gang, and they could never catch the gangsters that shot it down, so they came up with an "Idyllwild crash", which is about 30 miles away in the San Bernardino mountains (lame fake excuse).

 

Just like the cover-up the fact that then anaheim p.d officer-Lou Lopez was jumped and beaten unconsious by members of the Penguins City gang, that he was not found till the next day by his anaheim pd officers.

 

 

 

*****

 

and there's nothing erronous about the 1987 crash.

 

As, I stated: 2 copters crached, 3 people died.

I even posted a link on it.

 

Those copters crashed cause of pilot stupidity.

an investigation concluded that the pilot was "messing around" as he flew and that caused him to lose control and hit the other copter.

 

19 yr. old Vincent Acosta (an Anaheim High School Class of 1986, dropped out of school sooner) then made it back up the 55 freeway to the 91 east and got off on the Lemon St, offramp in Anaheim (where the Anaheim Drive-in used to be, and now is La Curacao [a Mexican electronics store).

By the time he got off the 91 freeway, his front tire rubber was gone and he was driving on that bare rim, and was able to drive down/south Anaheim Blvd. to make it to Elm St. (his barrio-Penguins City), where the car finally stalled near that mural store (in the pic of this web page) @ Lemon St & Elm St. and was jumped by many cops in fron of his afmily and friends.

 

God helped Vincent get to his Penguins City neighboorhood, cause if that car wouldve stalled sooner on the freeway or the Lemon St. offramp, the cops might've killed him there. But he was able to drive that car till it stalled in his neighborhood in front of many witnesses.

chicano
chicano

That helicopter was shot down & crashed in Anaheim in the late 1970's @ Broadway & Harbor by Penguins City gangsters, not in Idyllwild as the cover-up/made-up story you make.

 

The anaheim p.d. falsely stated that it happened in Idyllwild, cause they're to ashamed to admit that their copter was shot down in Anaheim, by members of the Penguins City gang, and they could never catch the gangsters that shot it down, so they came up with an "Idyllwild crash", which is about 30 miles away in the San Bernardino mountains (lame fake excuse).

 

*****

 

and there's nothing erronous about the 1987 crash.

 

As, I stated: 2 copters crached, 3 people died.

I even posted a link on it.

chicano
chicano

I forgot to add that:

 

3.) The us govmt is a satanic cult.

The current & Most of the past presidents were devil-worshippers through the illuminati.

w_sjomeling
w_sjomeling

Chicano if we had left America to you guys it would be just another Tijuana toilet You should be glad we took this land and made something of it you waste.

fretsward
fretsward

 @chicano You really need to study history. How could Mexicans have gotten to the lands when it is difficult even today with aids and modern technology? The unsettled lands were impossible to traverse, and those who made some headway would be slaughtered by tribes such as the Apache. 

 

Benefits that are stolen each year by the multiplying tsunami of illegal aliens (trillions of dollars) are not your own if Americans taxpayers are left holding the check. Illegal aliens pay nearly $9 billion in federal taxes and nearly $4 billion in state taxes, but run up an enormous tab of $650 billion-dollars each year acquiring every benefit and loophole imaginable. The costs projected for the next 5 years is a staggering $5 trillion. 

 

Then you stoop to the bottom level with the comment meant to counter swatgunner.

 

The disease of prejudice, it is well known, is difficult to eradicate from the man who's soil has never been lossened or fertilized by education... 

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young

 @chicano California was 'Mexican' for about 20-25 years, with many of the 'Mexicans", aka Californios, none too happy about it. Indeed they sent the governors Mexico City sent up packing on at least one occasion.  If you look at the old maps, much of the Southwest was marked 'Apacheria' because neither the Spanish nor Mexican governments ever established firm control, because a nation of Indians with real roots in what is now the US continually kicked their asses. So much so the Mexican government engaged in a genocidal campaign against them, paying bounty hunters for scalps. The Mexican government was in some ways relieved to sell its northern Wild Frontier to the US (and yes, we paid for the territory after the Mexican war)

 

The vast, vast vast majority of 'Latinos' have zero pre-yankee roots in the Southwest. Not through their so-called 'Native American' blood (Aztec is not Yaqui or Chumash or Apache and had that 'empire' been  able to subdue the later groups, they would have eaten them). Like Gustavo's family, they came north only because of the economic opportunities created by white people in an overwhelmingly (at the time) white society.

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young

 @guerro Like 'Peoples College of Law" , the alma mater of our first 'Latino' president to be, Antonio Villar.

chicano
chicano

 @fretsward like I said:

 

those resources (money) are our (Mexico's) very own resources, because the US stole billions of dollars worth of Gold during the Ca Gold Rush (1840's), and Oil from Texas (both Mexican states),  which is what made the US rich and an industrialized nation, and is now leeching off of Mexico's resources

 

you fretsward are a HYPOCRITE that is leeching off of my people's (Mexico's) resources, cause your satanic US gorvernment STOLE Billions of dollars from Mexico in the 1840's (Ca Gold Rush), and Oil from Mexico's other state- Texas.

 

Your history is manipulated with false info, cause your satanic US government ALWAYS Lies about the past, present & future.

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

 @RJ_Steelworth Me, a fluffer? Please—all I do is state truths, truths that you and the rest of the pathetic fanboys can't swallow.

fretsward
fretsward

 @chicano My name is Chicano, and I’m a biped carbon-based life form.  In my spare time I enjoy walking upright and being warm-blooded, and I’m a member of La Raza. 

 

I live here...  ...on planet Earth, a piece of rock orbiting a giant fireball in the middle of nowhere.  I feel I belong here because I now have a Matricula Consular Card.  There’s something about the atmosphere.  It keeps me down to the ground, but I want to fly.  The surface of the planet is about 70% water, which is nice because I’m about 70% water myself. 

 

I share the remaining 30% with 40 million others who scaled fences, each of whom has a 70% water body of their own.  Each of these bodies, like the planet, is composed of tiny particles which, on close examination, appear to have no solidity, but rather the pure energy of Reconquista. 

 

And since we comprise everything in our world and our universe now that we're invading the US, this means we’re not solid either, nor is the planet, nor is US law.  What more can I tell you?

 

I like lots of beer, weed and chillies, soccer and Gustavo Arellano.  And I don’t have much of a formal education – which is good, because it means I can actually read and write somewhat. But it also means I don’t have a great deal of what you might call actual knowledge.  However, if you pressed me, I’d say the purpose of life is joy in the present moment while the sentries are distracted, and anyone who tells you different is a lying conniving racist who stole the lands from Mexico. 

 

Peace. 

 

Epilogue: Chicano flenses border rancher's cows, and after slicing away the fat and gristle of tired drivel, disrespect, falsehoods, revisionist history and mindless La Raza tradition, he exposes the hollow carcass of a culture's hypocrisy... and the laughs never seem to stop...      

chicano
chicano

 @w_sjomeling Wrong.

 

Mexico was more advanced than any other country in the world.

 

Mexico had the very first space observatory and taught the rest of the world about astronomy and where the stars & galaxis were located:

 

http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/tashka/tashka0603/tashka060300004/335600-ancient-observatory-in-chichen-itza-mexico.jpg

 

Mexico also taught the rest of the world about Algebra, Calcules, Engineering, and with the resourse we had, we couldve taken mankind in a prosperous direction.

 

BUT, Instead, the US stold Gold & Oil from Mexico, and missused it to spread their (USA's) satanic propoganda with their bullshiit "new world order" plans, AIDS genocide, nukes, man-made viruses, man-made globa pollution/warming, etc.

 

you Americans have brought nothin but bullshiitt to this planet with your satanic agenda, that why God the almighty holy ghost, was going to bury the US with a 6-mile wide asteroid in 1996, but as the asteroid passed the moon's orbit and heading to hit the US, God gave you a chance to "straighten up", and made that asteroid loop around the earth and continue to an alternate path/orbit off to outer space.

If that asteroid wouldve hit, it wouldve been equivilant to 10 billion hydrogenbombs at that same time.

Its that same type of asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.

The odd thing about it, was that it was another fragment leftover  from and asteroid collison 65 million years ago.

 

65 million years ago a comet hit one of the asteroids in the asteroid belt (that has 2-3 million asteroids orbiting), and shattered it into fragments, and one of those fragments ( a 6 mile wide fragement/asteroid) went of course/ off orbit and hit the earth and wiped out the dinosaurs.

In 1996, another fragment ( a 6-mile asteroid too) from that very same crash/hit went off course, and headed towards earth. Destination-USA.

There''s another asteroid (Apophis) orbiting loose close to the Solar system, and is supposed to hit the earth on a Friday the 13th.,...Its destination/hit target is.....................the US.

 

 

They even made a few movies( Armeggedon w/ Bruce Wills, & Deep Impact w/ Morgan Freeman) about that real life story about that 1996 asteroid near hit, that was gonna hit the earth.

Difference in those movies, is that they went onn ships to nuke that asteroid.

In real life, no one flew with spaceships to try to nuke that asteroids.

The world governments just "crossed their fingers" (hahahaha)

chicano
chicano

 @fretsward 

you're too, are twisting history around with false info.

 

The Aztecs, and Mayas had made their presence known to the Apaches, Hopis, Seminoles, and other tribes and none of them stood a chance against them.

 

 

 

The US stole land from Mexico, cause they stole billions of dollars of Gold from Mexico, aka as The CA Gold Rush.

 

Thats why there was a war between the 2 countries, known as "The Mexican-American War", that the US paid Mexico to later stop the war.

 

The US became rich, after stealing billions of $$$$$ in Gold, from Mexico.

 

So, you see, it is our Benifits we use, and you americans leech off of.

 

and the last comment about deceases.

It is a known fact, that Mexico, and the rest of North America wa free of chronic deceases, viruses, and the air here was nice and clean, until you anglos came an brought filth & deceases to pullute our once precious clean air.

 

you foreigners have pulluted our Mexican air, our Mexican land, and Mexican gene pool, with your mad-driven quest for sucking as much Mexican resources (Mexican gold, Mexican land, Mexican Oil-in Texas) as you can.   

chicano
chicano

 @Mitchell_Young Gold was discovered by Mexicans in their own Mexican state (California) earlier than that. Thats why the US rushed in on wagons and settled in the Mexican state of California, to steal Gold & land from the Mexicans.

Gold in the Mexican state of California, and Oil in the other Mexican state (Tejas) had everything to do with the Mexican-American War, that the US gave up and paid off the Mexican government to stop the war.

Manifest Destiny was an idea they had decades earlier about expanding to the west coast, but they didnt pursuade it earlier, cause there was s signed treaty between the US & Mexico, as to the lands dividing like this:

 

http://geo-mexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/map-mexico-1824.jpg

 

but, when Mexicans found Gold in their Mexican land, the US ignored that land treaty, and tresspassed & stole land, oil, gold, from Mexico, with the help of Asians & other foreigners around the world.

 

After all, its not the 1st time that Gold & riches were stolen from Mexico.

In the 1500's, Europe stole Gold, Silver, and other riches from Mexico's natives (Aztecs, Mayas, etc.), thus making Europe rich.

 

As you can evidently see, the whole world is leeching off of Mexico's resources and ideas.

HYPOCRITES!!!

Mitchell_Young
Mitchell_Young

 @chicano The Mexican-American war lasted from 1846 to February 1848. Gold was discovered in California in January 1848 (by that time the area was firmly under US control), and general news of the discovery was not published until March 1848. In other words, gold had nothing to do with the US engaging Mexico in the war. It was all about Manifest Destiny. 

chicano
chicano

 @Mitchell_Young you're twisting history around with false info.

 

Mexicans never committed genocide against the Indians, and they never could beat the Mexicans. Instead, they joined and accepted that they're part of Mexico.

It was the US americans that committed genocide.

 

Here's the proof:

 

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/GeoRegions/NorthAmerica/UnitedStates02.htm

 

It was CA's new american governors that put a bounty on Indians's scalps.

 

Here's the proof:

 

http://whenturtlesfly.blogspot.com/2010/04/short-history-of-california-indians-as.html

 

 

The Mexican government never sold land to the US.

 

The US stole land from Mexico, cause they stole billions of dollars of Gold from Mexico, aka as The CA Gold Rush.

 

Thats why there was a war between the 2 countries, known as "The Mexican-American War", that the US paid Mexico to stop the war.

 

The US became rich, after stealing billions of $$$$$ in Gold, from Mexico.

 
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