Anaheim's Tragic Kingdom

Two officer-involved killings ignite the city's long, hot summer that has been years in the making

I knew something was horribly amiss in Anaheim—my beloved hometown, where my family has lived on and off for more than a century—a couple of years ago, when someone approached me to do a positive story. The person's name escapes my memory, but she was a bigwig in the city. She thought that since I was such a proud Anaheim High School graduate, I'd be delighted to write a story about a proposed multimillion-dollar renovation of the school's Cook Auditorium to return it "to its glory days," as she told me, whatever the hell that meant.

I laughed at the woman. I told her the last thing my alma mater needed was to refurbish the WPA-era building. Sure, it needs some TLC, but far more pressing were the needs of the students—better teachers, better programs, better graduation rates, better everything except for a pinche auditorium used only for assemblies. Far more needed for Anaheim were youth programs to steer them away from trouble, investments in our libraries, job opportunities—I went on and on, flabbergasted at how clueless she was about the needs of the city's residents. Unsurprisingly, she never contacted me again.

This anecdote is emblematic of the real problem that's currently afflicting the city. The shooting deaths over the previous weekend of 24-year-old Santa Ana resident Manuel Diaz and 21-year-old Joel Acevedo by police officers (the eighth within a year) have brought national attention upon Anaheim—not on the preferred façade of Disneyland, the Anaheim Convention Center and our sports teams, but on burning dumpsters in the middle of streets, angry protests, and video footage of terrified parents shielding their children from rampaging police dogs and the firearms of the riot squad. It's an easy story to tell: chaos in the land of Disney. Racist cops. Oppressed Latinos.

Lalo Alcaraz

The national media is already running with this narrative, and that's okay. But it's ignoring the full, more-telling picture. It's not the police, but rather the lack of city leadership that has allowed a once-proud city to decay, to create the tense situation Anaheim is in today. Actually, scratch that: There has been city leadership, one so deluded it set the conditions that allowed Anaheim's long, hot summer to finally explode.

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I try to not write about Anaheim politics, mostly because I have kith and kin who work for the city, and I want to shield them from any retribution caused by my rants, but mostly because—for once—the anger that accumulated over the years about what's going on rendered me silent. Not anymore. My beloved hometown has turned into a joke, and it's about damn time residents rise up.

Anaheim was never a perfect city, but it was one that worked—not a corrupt nightmare as is Santa Ana, not a Stepford community as is Irvine, but a living, breathing mini-metropolis of diversity, distinct neighborhoods and a shared sense of civic pride. Yeah, the City Council constantly preferred developers over residents, but at least prior incarnations understood the importance of caring for the whole city instead of just parts.

But during the past decade, the council (led for years by former mayor and eternal Great Whore of OC Politics, Curt Pringle, and over the past two years by a majority bloc that consists of Gail Eastman, Kris Murray and Harry Sidhu) has done its best to impersonate—take your pick of metaphorical elite ignorance—Marie Antoinette, Nero or the One Percent. It has awarded millions of dollars in subsidies to hotel and retail developers and dumped even more millions on the so-called Resort District, the area around Disneyland that's now slowly bulging into Angels Stadium. Within City Hall, staff has been directed to favor the well-to-do at the expense of the hoi polloi, all with impunity when it's not conducted in secret.

Meanwhile, the rest of the city has slowly crumbled. Residents have no faith in the City Council, mostly because four of its five members live in Anaheim Hills, the ritzy neighborhood isolated from the rest of the working-class city, and the council's attention is skewed toward that area. The Great Recession has left a generation of jobless youth that council members easily ignore because they don't live among it; the rest of us are suffering through a crime wave that, in my 33 years of living in Anaheim, has left the public fearful of our streets in a way I've never experienced.

The City Council's reaction? Recently, it approved the placement of "In God We Trust" over the city seal in its chambers. Now that's leadership!

Something is amiss in the Anaheim Police Department—a department that cares more about confiscating witness videos than tending to the still-twitching body of Diaz just moments after officers shot him in the head (as seen in video exclusively obtained by the Weekly) is one with serious problems. But police will be police (and a good force is desperately needed at a time when actual crimes plague Anaheimers). Far more nefarious are Anaheim's uncaring bureaucrats and politicians, and all the protests in the coming weeks, while necessary, won't amount to anything unless activists target City Hall. Burning small fires and chanting rattles the lords, but it does nothing to tear down the castle.

There's already a movement of sorts toward a more substantial, productive attack. A lawsuit filed by the ACLU against the city on behalf of Los Amigos, the longtime Latino grassroots group, seeks to end at-large elections in favor of a ward system, in the idea that better representation will lead to a better City Council and, by virtue, a better city. (I don't agree with its Latino-centric argument, but that's another column.) The fine nonprofit Orange County Communities Organized for Responsible Development has highlighted the cancer within City Hall through studies. Mayor Tom Tait asked for California Attorney General Kamala Harris and the U.S. Attorney General's office to conduct an independent investigation not only of the deaths of Diaz and Acevedo, but also of the police department as a whole.

And there is precedent in Anaheim for people power. In 1978, Anaheim police broke up a football game in Little People's Park; when community members complained, officers brutalized them. The ensuing furor led to police reforms, an Orange County grand jury investigation and the creation of Los Amigos. But activists didn't take over City Hall then because it was somewhat receptive to their concerns. Now, after a rambunctious City Council meeting on July 24 attended by hundreds and protests outside by more than 1,000, let's hope city leaders realize the masses are seething and reform themselves. Otherwise, we might see an Anaheim that personifies an old French curse wishing the cursed be like a chandelier: hanging by day, burning by night.

This article appeared in print as "The Tragic Kingdom: Two officer-involved killings ignite Anaheim's long, hot summer that has been years in the making."

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bcardwell017
bcardwell017

I grew up in anaheim and now live in vegas, it truly pains me to see the city where I live half of my kife has come to this. I have a friend who lost a child to tha apd and is being harassed everyday for speaking. I hope and pray the citizens can rise up as one not as independent race's but as an entire community and take THEIR CITY BACK!

Richard1980
Richard1980

The Anaheim city government has been surprisingly responsive to the people here. Rather than circling the wagons and undertaking an "internal investigation", the mayor has reached out to the FBI and US Attorney's office to launch an independent external investigation. I think there's the real potential for the guilty parties in the police force to be brought to justice here. So, in the first incident, the cops unleashed a dog on a mother holding her baby, and shot a kid with rubber bullets (you can see his friends carrying him away in the video). How much do you want to bet that none of the officers responsible will be fired or charged? http://bleacherreport.com/users/1365041-buy-dapoxetine-priligy-online-us-uk-can http://bleacherreport.com/users/1379467-buy-azithromycin-online-no-prescription http://bleacherreport.com/users/1349325-buy-cipro-online-500mg-mastercard http://www.protopage.com/buy-neurontin-online http://www.protopage.com/buy-nolvadex-online http://www.protopage.com/order-lasix-online

victorrya
victorrya

I live in downtown Anaheim, very close to city hall where the protests were held.  When my husband and I drove home Tuesday evening we saw groups of thugs walking to the protests, with their faces covered and some carrying sticks.  I told my husband that it would get ugly when the sun went down and that is exactly what happened.  These guys were amped, and excited, they were looking for a fight.  No matter what actions the police chose that night, there was going to be a riot. 

 

It is dishonest to claim that all of the money and effort goes into Anaheim Hills and the tourist district.   I have seen incredible improvements all the through the downtown area of Anaheim and yet the surrounding gang elements are constantly working to destroy the good work being done here, in spite of the renovated library, the boys and girls club, and  the community center.   When efforts are made to improve the areas that they live in they thank the city with graffiti.

 

I am half Mexican and I grew up in Anaheim.  My mom was a single mother with no support.  She worked very hard to provide for us and we moved from poverty to the middle class.  At some point the Latino community must take some personal responsibility for the culture of crime that breeds with in their neighborhoods.  Gangbangers are idolized.  Parents must be the ones to teach their children that life only gets better when you work at it and that there is nothing respectable about a thug life.  The average life span of a Gangbanger is only 20 years old. 

 

There are many in the Latino community who were ashamed of the thugs that created chaos in Anaheim.  That is exactly how we should all feel rather than making excuses for the poor thugs who weren’t giving enough opportunity.  This is Anaheim.   Not South Central LA.  There is plenty of opportunity.  There are no excuses. 

Noe Alamillo
Noe Alamillo

Greg chavez, you could do better? Send in your resumé...

Lyndsey Lefebvre
Lyndsey Lefebvre

Peyton, I would disagree with the tourism dollars, considering the location of city hall. DL Busses people to other amusement parka, I doubt and have never seen an ART bus that far down Harbor.

STOPTHERECONQUISTA
STOPTHERECONQUISTA

...and....where is the kids father? how many baby daddys does this woman have?

STOPTHERECONQUISTA
STOPTHERECONQUISTA

What bugs me is that this woman....living in a low income area...HAS 5 KIDS! Who gets to pay for their education, health care, birthing, EBT etc etc.....WE THE MIDDLE CLASS TAXPAYERS. Those kids cost us $250,000 each....nearly $1.5M for the lot of them and what do we get.....and gangbanger felon hanging out in front of a middle school selling heroin. nice. I'd be happy if every gangbanger woke up tomorrow with a bullet in their head. The whole city would be better off. HE RAN BECAUSE HE WAS A FELON ON PAROLE WITH HEROIN IN HIS POCKET. SCUM SCUM SCUM.

ANAN
ANAN

An FBI investigation into the shootings, "hopefully" will shed some light into what took place prior to the fatal shooting of the two young men. Whether justified or not, the families of the victims/community have the right to demand answers and to voice out their outrage. Should the forthcoming investigation finds the officers to have unjustifiably/criminally fired their weapons at these two men, they should be indicted. The population/community supports and encourages these mentioned efforts. 

 

We, however, do not accept the aftermath brutality of the police against, the mothers and children who took to the streets to demand answers and protest the police. 

 

The police firing of their weapons and unleashing their dogs at the crowd is something, we do not support. Those images are outrageous. If this police behavior does not immediately ceases, we the people will outnumber you on the streets! 

DirtySanchez
DirtySanchez

Gustavo, the two men that were killed had previous criminal records. They dressed like gangbanger cholos and one of which fired on an officer on duty. The chicano community in Anaheim using them as political martyrs will not fix the long term problem in Anaheim, which is the poverty of ignorance. When young chicano men value the culture of the "barrio" over the culture of learning, then you'll probably see more Anaheim police officers kill a few more mexicans later this year.

RustyShakelford
RustyShakelford

Hey Gus, great overall article and I hope the right questions are asked not only by politicians, but the police and the community as well. 

 

But as a resident of Anaheim Hills, I take offense to your take on our community as a means to belittle the current council members.  The only way most of us have money to live here (and pay HOA, Mello Roos, etc.) is because we are working class.  I'd argue that we work harder than the average citizen of Anaheim which you essentially agreed with this morning on the Madelline Brand show.  (Good call on the Disneyland Fireworks as a backdrop to the unrest in the streets).

 

So enjoy your cheap shots at those who are successful and educated.    I'll enjoy my "ritzy" house that I earned through decades of hard work and running my own business.  I used to live in Anaheim/Buena Park and that was motivation enough to be successful and move on up to the east side.

Lorena Arreola
Lorena Arreola

I bet milking this mini-riot is getting y'all mad hits right now.

chuysanchez23
chuysanchez23

Gustavo is offering solutions, while all the whiners and critics offer nothing but insults. The police are instruments of the City council, who are representatives (in an ideal situation) of all the people who live within its limits. Now when the majority of that city is Latino, middle class (or lower), and practices a language, faith and culture significantly different than those who are entrusted with power over  them, over their taxes, services, and future of their children, are they truly represented? Most City council members, as Gustavo points out, don't LIVE with the raza of Anaheim, they live ABOVE them, both literally and figuratively. The APD, once used to protect Anaheim's citizens against dangerous foreign and domestic threats, are now being used to protect the hillside overlords, the businesses they have favored, and the image of Anaheim as Tourist City USA. Anything, or anyone, that contradicts or threatens this image is deemed dangerous, dirty, and (assumed) criminal. If you're a Latino walking down La Palma on a hot summer day, better cinch up that faja, put on a Disney t-shirt, and walk derechito because otherwise you just might be a gang member, and thus fair game. It has always been this way: those that make the rules and declare a God-given right to enforce them are often more European than what they see as the unruly, savage hordes they hold in contempt, subconsciously or not. Ask the Chumash what the Espaniol thought about them back in the day. Like the German shepherd, the APD attacks on command. Remember that Califas is YOUR country, Anaheim is YOUR town. Take back what you've lost.

MstrSftwr
MstrSftwr

The Anaheim Police do a great job. I support the police in doing the job of keeping the cancer called gangs in check.  People act as if the police act without any thought of consequence or procedure and that's simply not true. I am sure all the police officers want to do is their job and do it to the best of their abilities and support their family. They are just people.

 

Another question I have is why did the mothers bring their kids out of the home and into an area of unrest? Why wouldn't the community allow the police to conduct their investigation? If anything, the community screwed up and tainted the whole investigation. Maybe community leaders can help educate the residents as to how the police department does things and that there are steep penalties, like prison time, loss of job and others for police officers not following procedure.

 

One last point: The "Raw" video from KCAL showed only a small portion of what went on. I believe the video was edited only to show the shooting of less lethal ammunition and incite undo outrage. I think that if I see women bringing their babies out and throwing things at officers, that the women are unstable and are not thinking rationally.

 

On a positive note, the article is well written and it's refreshing to see another person who grew up in Anaheim share their view so eloquently.

fc2479
fc2479

 @victorrya You are so right....come on Gustavo I am calling you out....start writing some stories  about the AHM Boys, who are just doing a bang up job in improving the community, with their tagging, drug dealing, thugging ways.  Come on Gustavo if you are really a journalist do your job and be objective.  Not just writing garbage on how evil the Police are, and white leaders of Anahiem are.  Do you really the Police want to be running around beating up and shooting people.  They would probably want to just work their shifts peacefully, hang out at starbucks, and flirt with the Mexican women, I am sure they like their tamales hot too. 

dudemanbro
dudemanbro

 @STOPTHERECONQUISTA Clearly, someone with the name "stop the reconquista" is going to have the kind of nuanced, considered reply that everyone should listen to.

fc2479
fc2479

 @STOPTHERECONQUISTA You are so right, it isn't enough that these illegals break the law coming here.  But what's worst is we have to pay their way for years to come.  Why can't they be like other immigrants???  Come here educate yourselves, contribute to society.  No, the got to tattoo their name in English letters, so I guess they don't forget their names.  How bout the tear drop tattoos, and the face tattoos.  What a bunch of losers.  Come on Gustavo you got to agree with me on this one.  Gustavo call these people out, maybe if the latinos use peer pressure to start some change in this dysfunctional culture.  

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

 @ANAN

 Please spare us your whines of outrage.  Talk about outrage, I wonder how the business owners feel about their windows broken and merchandise stolen by remnants of your "Oh woe as me" mob.  If you want to start a revolution it will have to be in your own mind, because frankly most people don't give a shit about a low life gang banger who died as he lived.  Your idea of "We the People," is not "We " at all, but just a bunch of malcontents who can't follow the law.  You want to join the mob, make sure your health insurance premiums are paid up because it will be needed.  Oh, sorry I forgot, you are probably part of the illegal bunch waiting for Obamacare to kick in?    

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

 @RustyShakelford Rusty: Gracias for the kind words, but let's be real: Anaheim Hills is more well-to-do than the rest of the city, and since the councilmembers live there, ustedes get the attention the rest of us don't get. Nothing against the residents, mind you, but rather the politicians.

Wooden_indian
Wooden_indian

 @RustyShakelford Rusty, you're not understanding "working-class" they way that, well, semi-educated folk understand the term. Having a job isn't sufficient to make you a member of the working-class.  And it may be trivially true that y'all in Anaheim Hills work harder than the average Anaheim residents, as average Anaheim residents are unemployed.

Wooden_indian
Wooden_indian

 @MstrSftwr  Wow. You're so out of touch that it is unbelievable. A Romney supporter, no doubt. Police many not generally act without any though of consequence, but they sometimes do. And they are more likely to do so if they aren't held accountable when these lapses of judgment occur. 

 

What does the fact that mothers brought their kids to a protest have to do with anything? Also, that you feel the need to raise this question shows just how out of touch you are. Some people can't afford baby sitters, but still want their voices to be heard. You, though, I am sure would rather that they keep their mouths shut than actively engage with the issues plaguing their community. 

 

Also, what could lead you to think that the people would be satisfied with the police department's investigation of the issues. Do you know how rare it is for criminal charges to be brought against members of the police force? The police protect their own. It's about time that we do the same.

 

Also, you're last point borders on incoherency. Not to mention, I didn't see the ladies themselves through anything at the officers. Where are you getting this information? Sure, other's may have thrown water bottles at the cops. But is it too much to ask that the police try to apprehend the person causing the disturbance as opposed to shooting a barrage of rubber bullets into a crowd of children and mostly peaceful protesters?

 

Seriously, you and your Romney-loving ilk truly represent the worst that Orange County has to offer.

dmvrenewal
dmvrenewal

 @MstrSftwr Im sorry I thought this was America. I guess we are in Saudi Arabia and women should not protest let alone step outside of their house rt. Savages right, what do you do only watch main stream media. lol

RustyShakelford
RustyShakelford

 @MstrSftwr I couldn't agree more.  Thank you for your insightful post...you took the words right out of my head.

idoubtyouhaveproof
idoubtyouhaveproof

 @fc2479 Gustavo's primos are bangers.  If he call them out, he will get a beat down.  Easier to blame the evil gabachos for all the ills of la raza.

swatgunner
swatgunner

He doesn't have to have a criminal record to justify the employment of deadly force. You clearly don't know anything about our criminal justice system or the Penal Code sections authorizing the use of deadly force. The suspect is not required to have a weapon. It does not matter on its face if the suspect was shot in the back, or as he was running away. It depends on the circumstances. The courts have held time and again the only crucial issue is the state of mind of the officer at the time the incident was occurring. You're blinded by your racism and bigotry.

ltpar
ltpar topcommenter

 @GustavoArellano

 Sorry to break into this little tit for tat commentary but Rusty is more on target than the Wooden Indian.  Additionally, if the truth be known on distribution of Police resources, I am confident that more manpower is being committed to the lower economic areas of the City.  You put the people where the problems are and they are not in Anaheim Hills.  You will also find outreach efforts by the Police in those same areas trying to build trust and solve problems.  As we all know however, there are element in the community who are not receptive to such efforts by the Police because it impacts their ability to intimidate and victimize the people who live and work there. 

RustyShakelford
RustyShakelford

 @GustavoArellano Gustavo, I see the overall point of geographical and wealth separation.  Objectively, I wonder if these council members would act the same (i.e., sell out to the highest bidder)  if they lived on Ball or Lincoln or Katella. Since they are politicians, I'm guessing they would.

RustyShakelford
RustyShakelford

 @Wooden_indian Please explain what I should know then about the term "working class".  I simply thought people who work or are looking for work in order to live are part of the working class.

 

And if I can clarify about us working harder, I should have said that we in Anaheim Hills are (on average) much more ambitious, smarter, and driven towards success than those of Anaheim. 

Mstrsftwr
Mstrsftwr

 @Wooden_indian

 Just an FYI, I don't like politics... the main parties are all in for big business, big bankers and power for themselves.The only person that I probably would vote for would be Ron Paul, but who knows how corrupt he is... The two party system in the US is a joke and we do need to change that.

 

MayhemInTheHood
MayhemInTheHood

 @Wooden_indian  @MstrSftwr You make some great points, but just to play devil's advocate here, I spent Monday night in a meeting with a woman who lives on Anna Dr, and she recounted what she saw go down there on Sunday. She said she did see the women with the children throwing things, before being told to disperse, and ultimately getting fired at. As a mother herself, she was quite angered by that aspect of putting the kids in harms way. She also didn't describe it as being all that peaceful. Not that it makes the cops right, at all. Just sayin'.

jacontreras1964
jacontreras1964

 @dmvrenewal

 Women should not be so dumb as to take their children out into these sort of situations. Compare apple to Apples. otherwise just keep your mouth shut and let people think your dumb.

MstrSftwr
MstrSftwr

 @dmvrenewal  The point is that the kids were in the arms of women who were not protecting them from the police and were not allowing the police to do their jobs. The women were participating in a tense situation. The police would not use the force they did if they weren't seriously threatened.

dmvrenewal
dmvrenewal

 @MstrSftwr Also when and where did you see women with babies throwing bottles, thats nonsense and laughable.

GustavoArellano
GustavoArellano moderator editortopcommenter

 @idoubtyouhaveproof That's funny—a couple of weeks ago, we had "Nuke the Cholos" in the cover of the paper. I'm glad to see your so comfortable in your stupidity!

fc2479
fc2479

 @idoubtyouhaveproof Your right....Gustavo is so full of Sh%t, he should be writing about why the Mexicans aren't taking responsibility for their own actions.  Instead he babies his people kinda like Jesse Jackass and Al sharpton

Wooden_indian
Wooden_indian

 @ltpar In which way, exactly, is Rusty more on target than I am? Do you mean that he's right about the quality of citizens found in Anaheim Hills? If so, I really shouldn't be surprised to find that people (presumably from Orange County) are willing to echo his sentiments. This is typical conservative rhetoric that maintains that if one is wealthy or "successful", that person must have worked hard for it. The corollary appears to be that if one is poor or, say, a member of the working-class (look it up) then one must be lazy or apathetic. Both principles are patented bullshit. 

 

If this is not what you mean by saying that Rusty is more on point, something more than an unsubstantiated claim would be nice.

Meximando
Meximando

 @Wooden_indian You're mistaking Confidence for Arrogance. These people are both arrogant and ignorant.

RustyShakelford
RustyShakelford

 @Wooden_indian you don't know what "passive aggressive" means?  take your ass over to wikipedia.

 

And I have plenty to be confident about.  Success requires confidence (and a hint of arrogance).  Although in my case, it's more than a hint.

Wooden_indian
Wooden_indian

 @RustyShakelford Yup. Yet another statement that acts as a counter-example to your "Anaheim Hills residents are smarter" hypothesis.  Nothing, sir, about my last two posts would lead anyone who understands the term  "passive" to think that I was being passive. On the contrary, I was actively being aggressive. You're pretty typical of Americans today. So full of confidence, and absolutely nothing to be confident about.

RustyShakelford
RustyShakelford

 @Wooden_indian such anger.  such bad manners.  such passive aggressive sarcasm.  typical of people who hate themselves, but not you I'm sure.  you're a class act.

Wooden_indian
Wooden_indian

 @RustyShakelford Wow. OK, take your smart, ambitious and driven Anaheim-Hills-dwelling ass over to wikipedia and look it up (in it, you might find a few other difficult concepts like "social class" or tough words like "the", but seeing that you live in Anaheim Hills they shouldn't pose much of a problem). 

jacontreras1964
jacontreras1964

 @brookeg81

 If he was It's my bad. I take the cake. I'll just go have another drink. Be right back.

yoshiyahu
yoshiyahu

Being a cop is hard. You have a higher burden than everyone else. One thing you can't do is just shoot at moms with kids in their arms. No, even if the mom throws something at you. You just can't shoot things at little kids.

MayhemInTheHood
MayhemInTheHood

 @Wooden_indian  @MstrSftwr Yeah, I know. That's why I was 'just sayin'. I gleaned a great deal of first hand info on Monday night, through talking to people. Just thought I'd share some of that. The thought that I sound as if I'm sticking up for cops makes me queasy, but the truth is I find plenty to be upset about on both sides, as I've expressed in other comments. 

Wooden_indian
Wooden_indian

 @MayhemInTheHood  @MstrSftwr Well suppose that the woman was throwing shit–– so what? The proper reaction is not to fire rubber bullets into the crowd and "accidentally" sick an attack dog on the crowd. You single out the individual, and you take appropriate action. 

 

Plus, maybe this is just ignorance on the part of the mother who was allegedly throwing things, but I don't think anyone would have reasonably expected the cops to react the way they did and, so, one couldn't reasonably expect to be putting their kids in harms way by taking them to the protest.

 

Finally, let's also suppose that it wasn't "that" peaceful. Of course, I don't think this is at all controversial as everyone will agree that at least a water bottle was thrown at a cop. Regardless, the reaction of the police was not commensurate with the level of aggression shown by the protesters. Not to mention, after seeing the video of police standing around for several minutes after Diaz was shot in the face, I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say that if the protestors were acting up, it was totally just.

brookeg81
brookeg81

 @Mstrsftwr

" Yesenia Rojas from Orange said she was trying to protect her children during the incident when she was struck multiple times by rubber pellets." Here's one of the victims names.

 

In this video, young witnesses speak out about what they experienced there, including some children who were hit by rubber bullets

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ocdeputydawg
ocdeputydawg

Tell that to the shop owners who got looted and had their windows broke by the Thug protesters.

Mstrsftwr
Mstrsftwr

 @brookeg81

 so it's okay to keep your child in a possible dangerous confrontation with police? The full video should be used as evidence and the whole situation should be investigated. If the police were wrong, then yes, they should be held accountable. I don't recall, but were any of the women or babies hit by the police ammunition? (I'm not being sarcastic, it's an honest question)

brookeg81
brookeg81

 @Mstrsftwr

 As far as I know the women in children were not threatened or harmed by the so called "rioters" so where was the danger except from the police brutalizing the public? Women should never have to protect their children from the public servants we pay to "protect and serve." So i do not understand faulting these women for not protecting their kids from the police. The police were not doing there job they were doing the opposite and they should be criminally punished for their actions.

Mstrsftwr
Mstrsftwr

 @brookeg81

 I was talking from the point of view as a woman who has a rifle pointed at or near her direction... In the video, the police did not shoot the woman, but the fact was, that she was not trying to get away from an event that could have harmed her baby.

brookeg81
brookeg81

 @MstrSftwr

"The point is that the kids were in the arms of women who were not protecting them from the police"

 

 Why would anyone have to protect their children from the police???

RustyShakelford
RustyShakelford

 @dmvrenewal  @MstrSftwr you know what i mean, silly queen.  take a little responsibility for your uncivil tone, please.  and i'll stop calling you a queen.

RustyShakelford
RustyShakelford

 @dmvrenewal  @MstrSftwr dmv, you don't know anything about any of us, so acting like you do just reduces your credibility.  Who are you to judge?  Mstr, thank you again for your constructive tone in your comments.

dmvrenewal
dmvrenewal

 @MstrSftwr So you admit then that we should be protecting our children from the police, good. you must be a mom too and have a heart. You would act the same if this happened outside of your home.And your comment about the police only using force if threatened are you kidding me? Where did you get that idea? Fantasy land? Im telling you a few black or brown freinds would help your case

Wooden_indian
Wooden_indian

 @Mstrsftwr  @dmvrenewal How exactly was the investigation into the fatal shooting of Manuel Diaz "messed up" by people deciding to protest police brutality?

Mstrsftwr
Mstrsftwr

 @dmvrenewal The point was that the video didn't show the whole event, so it just looks like the police were shooting into the crowd for no reason. It's just as easy to say the police shot into the crowd for no reason as it is to say that women holding babies were throwing bottles at police officers.Not all the facts were presented and the investigation was messed up because of the confrontation.

 

 
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