Should We Deport Illegal-Immigrant Gang Members Back to Mexico?

[¡Ask a Mexican!] And why do only Mexicans help stranded drivers?

DEAR MEXICAN: Magdalena has worked for me many years—15, to be exact. She came over as a mojada with her two little girls when they were 4 and 6. The girls went to school, but only until middle school because they are undocumented; they can't get a job or a bank account or a driver's license for the same reason. One of them is almost 30 and has three kids; somehow, she manages to work regularly. The other one has been sitting in jail for nearly two years because she hung out with the cholo crowd in her neighborhood. She never shot anyone or killed anyone and has no record, no papers, no school, no money and no car; she didn't want to clean homes like her mom. What is she supposed to do in Mexico, where they'd consider her a pocha and she knows no one? What can she do here as an undocumented American? She came with her mom and grew up here, and her main language is English. Of course, Obama has taken a small step to keep Mexis voting for him in November, but at least it is recognition that the problem exists. Why not just allow these kids to live here, pay taxes and be a part of the social fabric? Que chingadera, como diríamos en México . . .

Good Gabacha Boss

DEAR GABACHA: Although your question is problematic (you didn't tell me what the jailed sister is up for, and you should be more judgmental of your worker for letting her girls drop out of school as teenagers—for crying out loud, you have DREAMers getting advanced degrees, and if they can do it, Magdalena's hijas could have, as well), you also brought up an inadvertent point that should give pause to those Know Nothings who want immediate deportations of all illegals. During the 1980s and '90s, the United States government deported young Central American illegal immigrants who had joined the gang life. What did they do? They started gang chapters in their home countries, which connected with their cliquas up here, and turned a local problem into a transnational nightmare, with nearly 80,000 such gang members in Central America alone, according to a 2006 study by the USAID Bureau for Latin American and Caribbean Affairs Office of Regional Sustainable Development. The same thing happened in Mexico, except those deported cholos usually ended up in the services of the drug cartels—and we know what has happened there. Mass deportations of all illegal immigrants is much like Mitt Romney: seemingly plausible on paper, but a nightmare if it in fact happens.

 

DEAR MEXICAN: I'm a small woman, certainly too small to be pushing my car down the street toward a gas station when it breaks down, as it frequently does. My fellow Americans, driving new, big-ass-wheeled trucks and wearing faux-gangsta apparel, appear to think I am doing this to piss them off and slow them down because their response is to honk and scream at me. It is those gallant men in their beat-up vehicles (often packed with gardening equipment) from south of the border who pull over, jump out and lend me a mano. What's up with that?

Pequeña y Agradecida

DEAR PETITE, GRATEFUL GABACHA: You know why—because Mexicans, since the beginning of time, are AWESOME. Except for new president Enrique Peña Nieto, of course—pinche puto pendejo baboso.

 
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spamola5
spamola5

Would like to know, why Mexicans do not stand up to there President, There Country is beautiful ,land resources, There are a lot of decent people that deserve to be here, Cannot understand if we US Citizens go to mexico, and do something wrong or spit on the ground , do we get any rights, and are we suing the Mexican Government, Its not just Mexicans, all people in Az get treated like crap, the police violated are rights all the time. This needs to stop, i have rights also, all citizens or not should be treated equal, If you want to be in any country you need a passport, we have to have one to go into Mexico, are we going to cry discrimination, my rights were violated, i am a  US citizen from AZ the police treated me like crap, thy deserve a civil law suit' you are not the only ones that are being treated this way, Hope one day this will end so the decent people who want to live in US can live here pay taxes get a DL pay insurance' But enough of the tax payer money' on civil suits unless it a good one like mine'

ShellyW
ShellyW

Several problems w/this letter: 1. since when does being Illegal prevent one from going to school past 'middle school'??!! and 2. your math is off re: how long your worker's been in the country vs how old her kids are, etc?? Anyway, all that being said, Abso-f'king-lutely, gang members and/or others who break the laws of this country, should get a one way ticket Back to wherever they came from!! Adios and good riddance! And, truthfully, just the definition of Illegal, should send most packing... so sorry, but since when is jumping the line acceptable?? and nothing to do w/Nationality and/or color of anyone's piel - it's Purely Economics And the Environment... there's only so much of our Resources to go around (ie: water bills going up due to 'Increased Usage'! etc!) and Wages going Down - never mind in 'just those jobs us gringos apparently don't want to do'!! - but in All jobs!! Sadly, it's a Domino effect!:( Just is what it is:( Get over it and Enjoy tu Homeland, cabron!

TexasCop
TexasCop

Yes, illegal gang member immigrants should be deported.  If they are teenagers and it is found that their parents are illegal, they should be deported, too.  I don't mind people coming here for better lives, but don't breed predators onto us.

mrroach6
mrroach6

    You probably supported the Marielitos Program  where castro deported his criminals here to help lower his crime problem in Cuba. Come to think of it that may be unofficial policy these days.

Bill T.
Bill T.

It's well covered in my comment. To humor you, I’ll beat this horse a bit more. Education generally helps people earn more. People who earn more pay more taxes. I’ve repaid my state-sponsored education (elementary school, high school, San Diego State University) several times over. Where did you go to school, Mars? There are also other reasons for an educated populace. I also pointed out your whining about some going to school for free and others having to pay is a gross over-simplification with no basis in fact.

Prawda
Prawda

Bill, answer this question. Why should some go to school for free and some pay full rate?

Mexicoog
Mexicoog

Neta que Pena Nieto es un pendejo de reamate que usurpo la presidencia ilegalmente. Que Viva el presidente Andres Manuel!

Bill T.
Bill T.

Your comment has the ring of truth to it. A little empathy goes a long way. It's the reason I'll stop when I see someone by the road to see if they need assistance. Where I live people have died before assistance go to them. Besides, it's the right thing to do.

Bill T.
Bill T.

I would say that conservatives don't get it. You think they'll be more productive by denying their getting an education? One has to ignore a huge body of evidence to make the case that by not investing in the future we come out ahead. It's a matter of pragmatism, no matter how you feel about their residency status. We can deny these kids any hope of a decent life, pushing many into gangs (many will have the intestinal fortitude to resist that, despite our best efforts), or we can prime the pump a little and foster good neighbors. It's our choice. Stating "... undocumented free college and citizens full rate" is a partial truth at best (the worst type of lie to put it bluntly). Suppose it were true, what's more expensive, supporting their school costs or putting them in prison? (Hint: death row = $1,000,000 per inmate per year, probably more now.) There's never enough money to pay teachers adequately but there's always money to put a kid in prison. We need to be providing a good education for ALL of our young people, it's in our own best interest.

Prawda
Prawda

Liberals still don't get it. Soon California will be bankrupt. No one will be working, no money for inbounds that steal from the government. How can you justify giving undocumented free college and citizens full rate? Shouldn't it be the other way around? I like some Mexicans.

Excholo
Excholo

You didn't answer the ladies question properly Gus, instread you se-Gueyed into your political agenda. The correct response to Pequena is that Mexicans in Mexico are used to driving beat up pieces of shit cars so they can relate to a breakdown and help because they know what it is like to be broke down in the middle of the road. Gracias.

Bob Squalonero
Bob Squalonero

Hola Gustavo, Re: Deporting undocumented/illegal gang members. When I was attending U$¢ back in the late '80's/early '90's, I was living in East L.A. (believe it or not), not far from the Silver Dollar bar/cafe, where Ruben Salazar was killed. But I digress (besides, eso es una causa para un otro dia). Surprisingly, it wasn't the East L.A. Little Dukes 13 gang that gave the neighborhood problems. Rather, it was Mara Salvatrucha (aka Mara, MS, MS-13). Not surprisingly, la migration (along with help from L.A. Sheriffs Dept.), rounded up the Salvadorians and deported them back to El Salvador. Well guess what? Just like you wrote it, the deportees were able to recruit Salvadorians who were still in the U.S., and now, not only is Mara in just about every, major, U.S. city, but according to my Canadian friends, MS is even in Canada (real beauty, eh?)!

Ko
Ko

Gustavo te falto ignorante entre los atributos de EPN

Puromotaman
Puromotaman

That's it it's on! Don't you know how the PRI (Miguel Alonso Reyes) cleaned up Zacatecas? Arrested over 200 sicarios in Villanueva Y Jerez This week. Today I hit 3 road inspections by the army and state police keeping us safe. Please don't tell me your PRD. Last elections they hired Zetas to force people into voting for PRD. Remember I live here and I'm a little more in depth to the situation.

Bill T.
Bill T.

Ooops, intended to be in reply to Sr. Simple.

Bill T.
Bill T.

Nice job, I guess anyone who actually speaks the language will get a good laugh on reading your (garbled) attempt. 'B' for effort, 'C-' for execution, 'F' for content.

mero
mero

Pobre MEXICO del a peor , que va a hecer este pais cuando le manden criminales de todo el mundo,o nada mas los mexicanos somos gansters?

Ptcldy1
Ptcldy1

Tony Romo of the Cowboys has done the same thing - he isn't arrogant or too proud and above and beyond better than any of those lazy fat losers.

Ann from Yuma
Ann from Yuma

Also, the gabachos in the big-ass trucks don't actually know their asses from a spark plug ... whereas Mexicans have to keep those beat-up vehicles running.

PENA NIETO LIKES IT IN THE ASS
PENA NIETO LIKES IT IN THE ASS

YES ENRIQUE PENA NIETO Y THAT AND A GAY (STILL IN THE CLOSET) NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT......HE USED MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN MEXICO AND INSIDE USA TO PURCHASE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. AS MUCH AS 10 MILLION VOTES WITH THE HELP OF AMERICAN COMPANIES AND SOME MEXICAN. DONT FORGET ALSO THAT ALL HIS SUPPORTERS LIKE TOMAS YARRINGTON ALREADY IS UNDER DEA INVESTIGATION FOR MONEY LAUDERING BUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE US? NOTHING,NADA,THEY PUT IT ON HOLD UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTIONS..........ENRIQUE PENA NIETO REPRESENTS THE DRUG CARTEL "LOS ZETAS" REPRESENTS WALMART,TELEVISA,BIMBO,MARINELA,COCA COLA,SORIANA,BODEGA AURRERA ALL THIS COMPANIES DONT PAY TAXES AND THATS WHY THEY HELPED HIM TO WIN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION........BUT ITS NOT OVER YET,WE WILL FIGHT UNTIL THE END IN MEXICO FOR A NEW DEMOCRACY! WHAT WE DESERVE.

tderosas
tderosas

You conservatives are all the same blaming the economic hardships of the US on undocumented people. why don't you stop to consider the fact that jobs are being sent to other countries in order to exploit other people. Or how about considering the fact that the NAFTA agreement that the US signed with mexico has left many people there in poverty and is probably the main reason immigrants come here in the first place. Just some food for the thought!

mrroach6
mrroach6

So we should just "let them stay here"?

Ko
Ko

REALLY? SO ZACATECAS IS CLEAN NOW? ARE YOU SURE? Army AND state police keeping you safe? I just dont see it...

Richmondman
Richmondman

FYI - Mexico signed NAFTA and no one put a gun to their heads.  But NAFTA fucked things up.  We eliminated tarriffs on junk from China, sending millions of jobs there, while Mexicans were allowed entry to take the remaining jobs at pennies on the dollar wages.  And you want to know why things are f'ed up here?

 
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