Long Beach Offers Collective Punishment

How the city's botched marijuana lottery screwed its winners and losers alike

Long Beach Offers Collective Punishment

Except for the oversized green cross painted on the wall and the acrylic sign with the olive-colored marijuana seed inside the letter O, Avalon Wellness Collective looks exactly like all the other razor-wire-topped, one-story buildings that line the west side of the 710 freeway. Six months ago, the 8,000-square-foot, charcoal-gray building, located in an industrial neighborhood of north-central Long Beach, was just an empty warehouse; now, a state-of-the-art, one-stop cannabis cultivation-and-distribution center operates inside, built to exacting city specifications.

The front door didn't open until last summer, when it was carved into the front of the building. A burly guard sits on a stool. Behind him, another security door leads to what turns out to be a "man-trap": once the first door closes, visitors are locked inside a chamber until they're buzzed through. Beyond that, in the actual dispensary area, jars of organic medicine previously tested for pesticides, mold and E. coli are neatly arranged inside a glass-topped display case. A flat-screen television stretches across one wall, and watching everything from a ceiling corner is a tilt-pan, zoom-lens security camera.

Nearly half the sprawling structure is divided between a vegetation area, a hydroponics set-up, and a large worktable at which several seated employees trim bags of recently harvested product. It's like a scene out of Detroit at the height of its automotive might, except rolling off the assembly line here is marijuana. In one corner, there's an Americans With Disabilities Act-compliant bathroom, as well as a fire exit that leads to an alley. A locked side door embedded in an 8-inch-thick wall leads to Avalon's marijuana-cultivation area. In the hallway a few feet to the right of this door is the grow room, where 90 plants flower beneath sodium heat lamps. If the carbon monoxide levels in this room exceed 2,000 parts per million, horns blare and blue strobe lights turn on as intake and exhaust fans cycle fresh air into the room. From the ceiling of a separate curing room hang a few dozens plants cloned from strains with names such as Avalon White Chunk, Diesel Alien and Tar Dog.

Josh Howard
Miguel Vasconcellos
Josh Howard
Long Beach's favorite frenemy, John Morris
Miguel Vasconcellos
Long Beach's favorite frenemy, John Morris
Avalon Collective's Valerie Crist
Miguel Vasconcellos
Avalon Collective's Valerie Crist
Katherine Aldrich collective raided by cops
Miguel Vasconcellos
Katherine Aldrich collective raided by cops

Everything within the walls of this building materialized in less than 90 days last summer, thanks to Trojan Builders' Chris Cantella, whose regular work is a bit more rarified; a Newport Beach mansion he constructed won a seven-page spread in the August 2010 edition of Better Homes and Gardens. But the developer is proud of this dispensary, not least because he completed it just in time to qualify for a crucial certificate of occupancy from the city of Long Beach that makes it currently legal. [5]

"We had every city inspector here," he says. "It was a long, tedious process, but we stuck in there and jumped through every hoop. I'm only here because the city of Long Beach opened the front door and said, 'Come on down.'"

But the city's commitment to medical marijuana wasn't as solid as Avalon Wellness Collective [6] had assumed. In the fall of 2011, just as Avalon Wellness Collective opened its doors, Long Beach began considering a ban on medical marijuana despite having legalized collectives a year earlier. City attorney Robert Shannon led the charge, citing an ongoing federal crackdown on storefront dispensaries in California that has seen the Obama administration launch unexpected raids and property seizures against growers and landlords. Shannon also cited a lawsuit filed by Ryan Pack and Anthony Gayle, two patients who had obtained cannabis from two clubs that failed to win in a controversial Nov. 20, 2010, lottery run by city bureaucrats, which picked several dozen locations (including Avalon Wellness Center) for permits to open dispensaries; those that didn't win were raided and shut down. According to the plaintiffs, the city has no right to regulate a substance that is illegal under federal law.

So far, the council has voted twice to delay its vote, but if it bans storefront dispensaries, it will hardly be the most bizarre turn of events in Long Beach's surreal war on weed, one in which the council members who favor medical marijuana voted against legalizing it, and those opposed to legalization voted yes, and where the city rakes in millions in pot-related fees and fines, simultaneously permitting and prosecuting various cannabis clubs. Perhaps the least surprising detail is that the FBI is reportedly investigating allegations of official corruption in Long Beach.

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If anyone personifies the transition from good to bad vibes that has befallen Long Beach's ill-fated foray into the medical-marijuana business, it's John Morris. The silver-haired ex-rugby player in his early 60s has a vaguely English accent; his tendency to end sentences with words such as "babe" and "love" betrays his Liverpudlian roots. After emigrating, Morris settled in Long Beach in 1972; seven years later, he opened the famed Legends Sports Bar on Second Street in Belmont Shore. In 1988, he pioneered the revival of Pine Street by opening Mum's, an upscale steakhouse and jazz bar, and later Smooth's Sports Grille, which closed in 2010, owing the city $147,000 in unpaid loans.

For several years, Morris served as the president of Downtown Long Beach Associates, often clashing with the city over redevelopment, but also charming much of city hall—as well as the newsroom of the Long Beach Press Telegram and other local publications. If he was one of the most powerful businessmen in Long Beach, he was also one of the most outspoken, especially against the city's centerpiece redevelopment project of the 1990s, the Pike at Rainbow Harbor.

In 2008, amidst the overall economic downturn that began that year, Morris became eager to explore medical marijuana. He'd recently lost a friend to prostate cancer, and he'd seen how well cannabis had treated the pain. In a recent interview at McKenna's On the Bay, where Morris now works as a manager, he recalled being struck by the thought that he was the perfect guy to implement the city's plan to allow dispensaries to operate in the city as a way to welcome much-needed tax revenue.

His pitch to City Hall: work with someone you know, rather than open the door to strangers from out of town who might turn out to be shady characters. "How are we going to make this truly work in Long Beach so it's not gangbangers doing it?" Morris figured. "Let's bring the community into this thing so everyone knows who we are."

Since marijuana collectives aren't allowed to make a profit in California, Morris says, he planned to open at least four different storefronts throughout the city, each affiliated with a nearby charity, including Long Beach Memorial Foundation; the city's skate-park program, run by ex-councilman Mike Donelon; and Long Beach Gay and Lesbian Center, whose director, Ron Sylvester, recalls talking to Morris and being excited about the concept.

"I brought it to our board of directors and got back to John and told him that we'd love to be a beneficiary," Sylvester says. "I kept an eye on what was happening legislatively, and, of course, we're disappointed that it hasn't come to fruition."

When he met with city attorney Shannon about the project, Morris brought his lobbyist, Matt Knabe, whose father, Don Knabe, sits on the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors. Shannon informed Morris that state law prohibited him from opening multiple stores. "The whole concept was odd to me because state law is very clear that you can't make a profit," Shannon says.

Morris decided that Shannon had no right to tell him what to do. "As we left that meeting, I said, 'Fuck this,'" Morris recalls. "I've got plenty of friends in town who are believers in this stuff, so I went out and talked to 10 or 12 of my buddies."

He formed an investment group called SJK—an acronym using his own first initial, plus those belonging to two of his friends and fellow investors, Stu Ledsam and Kurt Schneider. Then Morris set about finding properties throughout the city where SJK could grow and distribute medical marijuana via six supposedly separate collectives.

Because the city required at least three individuals to be on the permit application paperwork for each collective, Morris gathered 18 people and convinced them to lend their names to the various collectives. He hired a lawyer, Paul Violas, to draw up the articles of corporation and assemble the complex application materials: dozens of pages of personal disclosure forms, rules, regulations and checklists, each requiring the initials of the collective's trio of managing members.

To create a nonprofit called the Fourth Street Collective at 1069 Wardlow St., Morris reached out to Christine Donelon, wife of the former city councilman who ran the skate-park charity Morris hoped to fund. Another was tax accountant Osvaldo Lainez, who handled returns for both Morris and Dee Andrews, a Long Beach councilman. Lainez is also the president of the nonprofit Chicar, which has won tens of thousands of dollars in Port of Long Beach donations, ostensibly for helping to organize the city's annual Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade, which is steered by Andrews.

The six collectives Morris wanted to open hardly represented a monopoly of the clubs that filed applications for permits in early 2010, however. As the city attorney's office realized how many storefronts hoped to open, panic spread. Deputy City Attorney Michael Mais hit upon a plan: hold a lottery to randomly select locations that could then continue the permitting process. According to Mais, the city had successfully used a lottery to allocate flight spots at the tiny Long Beach Airport.

"We wanted to limit the number of dispensaries," Mais recalls. "We had two choices. We could have a lottery, which I thought was very fair, or we could go with whoever turned their application in first, which I don't think anyone could say was fair."

As the early summer 2010 filing deadline loomed for collectives that wished to get into the lottery, Morris and Violas summoned the SJK group together for a meeting at Smooth's. Unfortunately, not everyone could make the meeting or otherwise be found in time. So with their permission, Morris signed their names himself.

So did his employee, Josh Howard, a onetime marijuana-collective owner who worked for Morris. On the day the applications were due, Morris called Howard. "I need you to start signing signatures," Morris told him. "Half of these people are out of town or I can't get ahold of them—one guy's out of the country."

Morris and Howard drove to City Hall, scribbling whatever signatures and initials they could find. They parked outside, and Morris went upstairs with a stack of papers while Howard continued to sign names. The Weekly obtained all the applications from the city via a California Public Records Act request, and Howard pointed out which signatures he'd forged. The illegible wavy lines were easy for him to identify; he pointed out several items that he and Morris forgot to initial.

Although Morris readily admits he was involved in no less than six different collectives, because his name wasn't listed as a managing member of any of them, it didn't violate the city's ordinance, according to Mais. "To a certain extent, we rely on the honesty of the people we are dealing with," he explains. "As long as their name isn't listed as a management member, we have no way of knowing. You have to assume they are following the rules."

On Sept. 20, 2010, the city of Long Beach held a lottery to determine which of the several dozen marijuana collectives that had paid the roughly $15,000 upfront application fee would be eligible to receive a permit allowing them to operate in the city. It was a fiasco. The city had spent several thousand dollars on a machine designed to randomly choose Ping-Pong balls stenciled with a combination of numbers and letters, each pertaining to a different collective, but the balls were too big, so officials had to toss them into a recycling bin and hand-select them.

Not surprisingly, the carnival-type atmosphere led to immediate claims that the lottery was rigged, recalls Mais, who takes responsibility for the process. "The people who won the lottery thought it was fair, and the people who lost it thought it was unfair," he says. "Other than the fact that the lottery machine failed to work, the lottery was as straight up as any lottery that was ever done. We bent over backward to take any sort of unfairness out of it. We spent a ton of money. It was unfortunate it turned out the way it did because it was embarrassing."

Morris, who didn't attend the event, recalls receiving text messages each time one of his collectives won the lottery; five of the six locations he'd lined up were selected. "Everybody fucking thinks we fixed that thing," he jokes. "If Shannon had his way, he'd have made sure those balls of ours would never come to the top. . . . The vast majority of management people at City Hall, they don't like me, and I don't like them."

As soon as the city held the lottery, however, it revised its marijuana ordinance. The law already required cannabis clubs to be farther than 1,500 feet from a high school and 1,000 feet from any kindergarten, elementary, middle or junior-high school or other dispensary. To these, the city added that no club could be within 1,000 feet of a park or beach. Because Long Beach is on the ocean and full of parks, the list of eligible storefronts shrank considerably.

Thanks to the new buffer zones, numerous clubs that had won the lottery were now ineligible for a city permit after all, including one operated by Morris. Meanwhile, the city kept adding new construction prerequisites—fire alarms, security systems and carbon monoxide monitoring systems—to further whittle the field. Thanks to what amounted to a bait-and-switch maneuver, the city had to set up a refund-application process to collectives that had won the lottery but were subsequently zoned out of contention.

Ultimately, of the five locations tied to Morris that won the lottery, just two ever opened their doors; of those, only one continues to operate. Morris and his investors had to back out of the business because they ran out of money. "We never made a fucking dollar," he says. "My SJK guys, of the $500,000 they outlaid, I don't think they'll get any of that back."

Morris eventually fired Howard and a woman named Nichole West, who says she drew up a business plan for SJK and never received a dime in return. Both Howard [3] and West, who has left Long Beach [4], claim Morris owes them thousands of dollars. After Howard complained to one of SJK's investors, a famous soccer player who seemed sympathetic, one of the group's lawyers sent him a letter, which the Weekly obtained, threatening to sue him and referring to his unspecified allegations as "untrue" and "grossly slanderous."

But if Morris and other collective operators who managed to win the lottery were upset at the city, so were those whose Ping-Pong balls weren't chosen, or who refused to pay, or could not afford the $15,000 fee to play the game. Larry Parks, who owned the 1 A.M. collective, [2] first became suspicious about the city's program weeks earlier, when he paid a $2,000 consulting fee to Morris' attorney, Violas.

"I wanted to get his thoughts about the lottery process and what he thought my chances were," Parks recalls. "He wanted me to hire him for $2,000 a month and told me his clients don't get bothered by the city. He called it 'good lawyering' and said he'd need $5,000 here and $5,000 there to spread around."

Violas claimed to be "good friends" with Erik Sund, Long Beach's business-relations manager and director of the city's medical-marijuana program. "Mr. Violas told me that if I paid him money, he would be able to guarantee acceptance of my patient-cooperative group's application for a Long Beach city permit," Parks later stated in a sworn deposition. "When I asked him how he could do this, he told me . . . my group might have to make monetary contributions to city projects or to city officials."

Parks declined to take Violas on as a lawyer. Sund did not respond to an interview request. In an interview at his office in downtown Long Beach, Violas stated that while he maintains "cordial" relationships with Sund and other city officials, he has never made any such guarantees: "I categorically deny that I've ever promised any client that payment of money to a city official will result in favorable treatment."

Mike Genera [1] refused to pay the fee to enter the lottery; soon after, the city began sending code-enforcement officers to his collective, threatening his landlord, and issuing him up to $50,000 in fines over a period of several months. The police also showed up and filed misdemeanor charges—violating the city's marijuana ordinance—against his security guard and manager. "They used every kind of tactic that you can imagine," Genara says. "It was just so overwhelming."

Dallas Alexander, who operates the Dank City Collective, also paid only a token fee of $500 to the city, instead of the $15,000. "I was summarily rejected," he says. Not long thereafter, the police raided his shop while he was on his way to work. "They broke down my door with no warrant," he says. "They basically robbed me. They took whatever they could in money. I saw Erik Sund walk out with a bag of my merchandise. They arrested three of my people who were working, but they were out in a couple of hours."

Until she voluntarily closed the dispensary late last year, Katherine Aldrich operated 562 Collective in the north Long Beach neighborhood of Bixby Knolls. She also refused to pay the city's permit fee and didn't participate in the lottery. On Feb. 14, 2011, the police raided her collective while she was taking her daughter to the orthodontist. Security footage filmed during the raid shows plainclothes officers accompanied by Sund standing in her lobby.

No arrests were made, but Aldrich received a fine. The cops returned again three months later, again without a warrant. When her employees refused to open the safe, police arrested them but left empty-handed. Sund was present for that raid, too.

"He's a business-license approver," Aldrich complains. "Why he's out there participating in these raids, I have no idea."

City attorney Shannon insisted that the $15,000 in fees demanded by Long Beach is justifiable, given the city's dire economic situation and the cost of regulating the dispensaries that his office envisioned. "We wanted to limit the number of dispensaries, and we wanted to recover our costs," he says. However, Shannon acknowledges, the fee "inadvertently" made it more likely that the "more profit-oriented collectives" would win the lottery. "That was never intended, of course, but that's a fair statement," he says. "It was an unintended consequence."

Matt Pappas, the lawyer who represents Pack and Gayle in their lawsuit against the city, now represents Aldrich, Parks and other collective operators whom the city fined, raided or both for violating its medical-marijuana ordinance.

"I don't know what's happening at the city, but there's something wrong," Pappas says. "When people say they can engineer things and you won't get raided since you're paying money that gets spread about, it's awfully suspect. Think about it: The city is taking money from some collectives and not issuing them citations and going out and raiding the ones that aren't paying the money."

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Whatever its basis in reality, the whiff of corruption hasn't gone unnoticed by the federal government. Sources involved in Long Beach's medical-marijuana community told the Weekly that FBI agents have interviewed them, although for the most part they refused to provide specifics. "I can't tell you anything about that," said one source.

"They did visit me," said another. "Their questions were about public corruption and not the legality of medical marijuana. The statement I gave was that I wasn't aware of any malfeasance and hadn't engaged in any."

One obvious argument against the concept of deliberate corruption is that collectives that did win the lottery and that haven't been subjected to heavy fines by the city still have no guarantee they won't be shut down. This elite group of collectives, which includes Avalon Wellness Collective, numbers roughly a dozen and has formed a group called Long Beach Collective Association (LBCA). The group's lawyers include both Violas and Rick Brizendine, whose name turned up in a search-warrant affidavit filed by the Orange County Sheriff's Department when it raided Belmont Shore Natural Care collective on Nov. 8, 2011. According to sheriff's officials, the department raided the collective after finding ties between Belmont Shore Natural Care and several Orange County collectives run by a silent investor who, they assert, was using Brizendine to launder his money. Brizendine returned an initial telephone call seeking his comment for this story, but he has subsequently failed to answer his phone. In an interview with the Long Beach Post, he denied any wrongdoing.

Carl Kemp, a registered lobbyist at City Hall, also represents LBCA. He says his clients are frustrated with the fact the city keeps changing its rules. "We have done a lot of work to make the ordinance work well for everyone," Kemp says. "Mr. Shannon has a predisposition against the idea of medical marijuana, and I respect that. But unfortunately, I don't think any moral attitude should force people who have a legitimate need to go back into the dark alley to get their medicine."

Members of LBCA recently held a meeting with the collectives that are suing the city, trying to find a way they can join together in pursuit of a common goal. Valerie Crist, the director of Avalon Wellness Center, is one person who's in favor of such an alliance. A recently divorced Realtor who left the business during the housing bubble and has since invested her life savings in the collective, she says she would have lost everything if it weren't for Cantella, who performed the $500,000 city-required construction at half the cost.

"There are more bad people than good people in this business, and that has got to change," Crist says. "The good people are being run off by the crackdown. My employees don't want to go to jail—ever. We want to follow the rules. There are people who refuse to play this game with the city, and I respect them for it—people who didn't pay the fee and have been raided, hardworking people with the right intentions. Unfortunately, the city has done a good job of dividing us."

This article appeared in print as "Collective Punishment: How Long Beach's botched marijuana lottery screwed its winners and losers alike."


*This article was altered on Feb. 6, 2012: [1] Mike Genera's name was misspelled; [2] a description of Larry Parks' legal standing was altered; [3] and [4] descriptors were changed, as Josh Howard's and Nichole West's positions have changed. 

*This article was altered again on Nov. 24, 2012: [5] A sentence was deleted by request.

*This article was altered again on Nov. 26, 2012: [6] The name of the collective was inserted by request.

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OCreader
OCreader

Long Beach is by far, the most corrupt city of all of OC & LA, in my experience.  

Why didn't Sund just come out and say that if they didn't participate in this "lottery" and pay the "application fee" (extortion) they were going to be paying for it in the end anyway. Why they gotta screw people like that? 

The bureaucracy of this city is so pathetic, I couldn't stand living there any longer, and HAD to move to back to my home turf...the OC.

Oh..and their police department and court systems are even more corrupt than OC's!

SupportTheWonderPlant
SupportTheWonderPlant

Erik Sund to Speak on Medpot - Public Welcome! On Tuesday, June 12, The Good Neighbors of North Long Beach will host a breakfast at which Business Relations Manager Erik Sund "will speak about the status of the marijuana ordnance and other business issues," according to an event press release. Because currently Long Beach does not have a medpot ordinance, presumably Sund, who has been at the center of much controversy regarding medical marijuana in Long Beach (such as with his presence at dispensary raids where police used what a judge labeled "strong-arm tactics [...] without a warrant and without exigent circumstances"), will discuss the status of temporary ban exemption that approximately 18 collectives currently enjoy. That exemption ends in August, and shortly the city council is slated to revisit the issue to consider extending said exemption. Members of the general public are invited to attend the breakfast, which will be held at Spires (1935 Dela Amo Blvd., LB 90805). The breakfast begins at 7 a.m., with Sund slated to speak beginning at 7:30 a.m. http://www.lbpost.com/news/2000000447-erik-sund-to-speak-on-medpot

MFG420FORLIFE
MFG420FORLIFE

Wow..... a lot going on on this issue. Being someone who is directly affected by this situation as a resident of the city of long beach, a patient in the city of long beach and a collective operator in the city of long beach, i am amazed at the amount of negative response to the actions of the few that are brave enough to stand up and challenge the city, its council and Mr. Robert Shannon. Mr. Pappas has done an incredible job in supporting the PATIENTS and TRUE COLLECTIVES best interests in not only long beach or California, but, across this great land of America. This is no longer a city or state issue, it is a national issue that will be decided in the highest of courts that this fine country has to offer.There is a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. The city of long beach has chosen the wrong way and now they will have to answer for their actions. I also agree with certain comments on this board concerning collectives that are in it only for financial gain. Soon enough, They will have to answer to a higher authority, be it the federal government, the I.R.S or his or her own conscience. That is just a reality.

Zoth
Zoth

FBI investigation? I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were, or that there is something to find, between the City Council and some of the City Hall bigwigs, but this seems like a pretty casual comment to drop into the article with no followup. Tell us more!

Devon Rémy
Devon Rémy

God, what an incestuous situation. It smacks of your classic back-room politics: favors being handed out with a wink and an envelope full of money. Oh, and a little thuggery thrown in for good measure.

Corruption and greed drove this train. And the patients suffer.

News Wire
News Wire

The greedy, for-profit, big $$ retail dispensaries and their paid lobbyists have destroyed the legitimate medical marijuana collectives.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

And where do you think the gangbangers get their weed from to bring back to their hoods.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Thank the lawyers for filing the Ryan Pack brief. Hell goddam no! Their greedy asses destroyed everything that LB City tried to put in effect. They destroyed the whole CA medicinal marijuana movement in one swoop. GREED is what motivates the majority of these collectives. Boo hoo, they left their high end jobs to help the poor unfortunate cancer patients. Yeah right. We got Morris trying to open a buttload of clubs under the cover of "respected community contributors" then scaring the public with comments like we should keep it out of the hands of "gangbangers". Well, no one here seem to understand the Federal RICO statues., Conspiracy Statues. Don't let these half ass lawyers tell you something different than take your money. When the federal indictments get handed down to you corrupt, greedy hiding behind Prop 215 bitches, you will learn to understand.

Mike
Mike

Pack vs Long Beach is what f**k the entire movement in CA. A lot of good collectives in many different cities including Long Beach are closing because of the selfishness of Larry Parks and Pappas group. So what "wm97" saying is we should thank Larry Parks for banning dispensaries in LA, Long Beach, San Diego etc...

Thanks a lot a** hole.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

I agree. Greed and corruption on both sides of this equation fucks everything up for the real prop 215 patients. I know of some of these collectives pull in an average of 200 to 500gs a month. Where are the taxes to the city? It's all hidden in cash. That's where. Please very few collectives are not motivated by pure greed.

leo
leo

Gangbangers dont exist. Yiuve been watching too much 80's episodes of Cops.... pure propaganda to segregate and deminish ethnics by Law Enforcement to beef up their pensions and yearly budgets.

And there is no cartel anything in collectives.... cartel produced anything is akin to dirt and trash.

leo
leo

I'll take all you motherf..kers on... piss ants. Youll never win an argument because being against med marijuana and collectives puts you on the side of evil and wrong.

leo
leo

The only thing the city of LB tried to impliment was a lousy written ordinance that they thought would open a window of opportunity to crucify and violate the constitutional rights...YOUR rights and mine under the cloke of a one man written discriminatory local piss ass minority voted law. robert Shannon wrote it and our higher courts broke it thank God.

Go to YouTube and type in search.... 562 r

Big Ed
Big Ed

@Mike... First off, Pack vs LB put Long Beach in there place with their corrupt ass ordinance to try and monopolize the market. They are the selfish greedy ones...Long Beach City and the collectives that are in bed with them, not the Pappas group. Long Beach City is scared now because the have been exposed so now the want to ban. The Pack decision clearly states that the city can regulate but not charge those ridiculous fees and the stupid ass lottery. People need to read the Pack decision before opening there mouths. Does anyone read these days? Good lord! The ban won't happen since it is going to the Supreme Court and the city doesn't want to risk making anymore bad moves!On that note, thanks Pappas for protecting the patients. We need more people like you who fight for what is right and not just in it to line their pockets.

Serg
Serg

Stupid is forever but ignorance can be fixed and one should read before one writes. You should read the whole ruling on Pack Vs. Long Beach before embarrassing yourself again. Serg

Leo
Leo

You stupid son of a bitch Mike.... read Pack before you let crap spew from your mouth.

Collectives and patients everywhere need to be thankful of Pack.

Ryan Pack and Anthony Gayle are very ill patients that were being persecuted and witch hunted by the city of Long Beach.

Long Beach used the disguise of an ordinance to violate the rights of patients and commit attricities against innocents. Eric Sund ... a lowly clerk for the city was anone man Eliott Ness Untouchables gang breaking in doors and hurting people.

Lets be real... Medical Marujuana never met a regulatin or ordinance it liked.

So shut the hell up and read.

Long Beach was no friend to patients and collectives ever.

Not one single collective ever obtained a permit.

Any ordinance anywhere that tries to demean and discriminate placing rules on you that other businesses do not have is a crap law excuse to seat you at the back of the bus.

Leonard

leo
leo

lets do it Nick... lets do the whole f..cking village...Operation Broken Arrow in effect!

OCreader
OCreader

@Lbforlife This is why it should be FEDERALLY legalized so that they can regulate taxing it and the city can collect their money due. Instead, cities give collectives the green light to open their doors, then shut them down if they don't grease their palms, or the feds come and do it. Its ridiculous.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

You right about this, because the cartels wouldn't fuck around with pussies hiding behind patients rights like you. Be real to yourselves, the majority of you motherfuckers are in it for profit. You are not fooling anyone. Hell, greed is in everybody. Fess up to it and move on with your life. What was your passed occupation before you became a wannabe drug dealer Leo?

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Gangbangers don't exist. You are a fucking tool Leo. You fucking little collective pussy. Bring that shit back to the streets and non of your kind can survive. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Quit manipulating the true intent of the cCalifornia compassionate act to your own greed.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Leo, you are a wannabe collective tool. Look at Long Beach's West Side, East Side, Downtown and Northside. Really, gangbangers don't exist? Why don't you go stand on the corner of Walnut and 10th or any hood in the LBC and see if gangbangers don't exists. Better yet how about I introduce you to my hood. You prop 215 pussies fucked yourselves up by whining like the bitches that you are. All you motherfuckers will snitch on each other to do less time in a heart beat. February 14 will say it all for the LBC. And when the DEA and LA County Sheriffs come in tO clean your corrupt greedy asses out, you little wannabe drug dealers will feel the wrath of fat prison sentences and when they do shut you wannabe drug dealers down and you head back to the street, guess who will be waiting. All those gangbangers, hustlers, thugs will rape you. You guys had it made, you just didn't realized it. Good luck you pussies!

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

You blow alot of smoke Leo. Alot of lies. Bring it and we will show you. Without hiding behind prop 215. Your kind of greed destroyed patient's rights here in Long Beach and the rest of California. You guys had it made here in The LBC. But you don't respect it. You listen to these fucking lawyers that juice you for funds for nothing. I got family that need meds. Thank god they grow their own and not rely on the likes of your kind. Fuck you and all you stand for. You fucked up! And alot of people are pissed!

leo
leo

....type in search.... 562 Raid

That is a video one of many with Erik Sund holding coffee and bossing the police around to tear apart lives in Long Beach. Under the supposed compassion of an ordinance allowing collectives.

F..cking scumbag.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Embarrassing is when you are taking cold showers with a group of men in prison.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

But the city let you pussies grow without harassing you and you still venture out to buys farms up north to feed your greed. You still purchased from out of town vendors. The city left you(the so called lottery winners) with two years of hustling, free of hassles from raids. They protected you but you still fucked it all up. Ask the city what they got in taxes from you. Is it worth it to them? Don't listen to these fucking lawyers, cause they ain't going to federal prison with you. When the city cannot contain this proliferation of collectives, who the fuck do you think they are going to ask to come in? Your fucking lawsuits against the city will be useless when they separate you from your family by way of prisons. You think before you talk you fuck

leo
leo

Matt Pappas is a hero and champion for medical marijuana patients everywhere.

OCreader
OCreader

@Lbforlife You are a little Bi-polar. You scare me. "Peace be with you"...."You fuckin distorted, manipulated and destroyed the movement for the real patients that actually need meds. You fuckers no one gives a rat's ass about. On the streets and in jail." Wtf? Make up your mind..

Bid Ed
Bid Ed

@Lbforlife I came from the streets! Anyways... its pointless talking to an idiot who don't know shit! The streets are suppose to make you smarter not dumber like you. Like I said we will see who gets the last laugh.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Come back to the streets you fucks. They will show you greedy fucks no sympathy nor compassion! I only feel for the true patients. You fucks can all get fucked in prison. We will laugh at your asses!

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Come back to the streets you fucks. They will show you greedy fucks no sympathy nor compassion! I only feel for the true patients. You fucks can all get fucked in prison. We will laugh at your asses!

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Come back to the streets you fucks. They will show you greedy fucks no sympathy nor compassion! I only feel for the true patients. You fucks can all get fucked in prison. We will laugh at your asses!

leo
leo

Peace be with you....

...we gotta have peace and get together.

One more thing...many people may try to start a collective with profits in mind....and youre right there would be nothing wrong with that.

But the truth is that its tough and these collectives are operating at a deficit and end up broke.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Leo, it's not a myth. I know the flip too. Let it go bro. You are barking up the wrong tree. Peace b with you. And be safe man. Don't listen to these idiots that are going to cause your family harm. Unless you are a fuckin lawyer then you can answer to God or whatever courts you choose to be indicted by. Take care bro. Got other fuckers to go check

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Leo, we can debate this all day. But you and I know. Just be safe out there because they are coming. The appeals will come back after the elections and it's going to be a tweaked out piece of work. I got us going back to patient and a caregiver to grow. We are going backwards bro. 15 years and we just went backwards.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

I am all for a profit Leo. I am just not going to hide behind schemes that will hurt the movement. Collectives and clubs, know alot of owners too. We know the game. Let's not fuck it up for actual patients that really need the shit.

leo
leo

its a myth about greed and profit. 80% of collectives go out of business and shut down just as other main street businesses do.... because they run out of funds.

The others struggle against landlord shakedowns....city shakedowns....hatred....legal fees....fines.....etc.. many collectives throw resources into giving to charity....cleaning up their neighborhoods....donations. on and on it goes.

The medicine comes from a collectives own members and is clean pure. Closed circuit.

OCreader
OCreader

@leo Leo..put the crack pipe down! There are still gang bangers that exist in the world. Maybe not in YOUR little world, but they are still out there.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Leo, alot of my friends and family were and are still gang members. That being said. I come from the heart. We are not little boys that walk into your collectives for a nickel sack. We want to protect our community. Alot of you do more harm than good for us here.

leo
leo

gangbangers dont exist. It is another nazi propaganda tool. Any poor group of young black....latino....asian men having a chat and wearing sneakers on any free sidewalk in america are considered labeled gangbangers. Groups of family and friends that have grown up together and stick together for companionship and protection have been labeled with monikers.

You watch too much TV sister.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

You know who ran up up in there and when you get ran out of town. Others will keep running up in you when you head back to the streets. You little boys can't hide behind prop 215 forever. You fuckin distorted, manipulated and destroyed the movement for the real patients that actually need meds. You fuckers no one gives a rat's ass about. On the streets and in jail. The cops don't even wanna come when you holler for help. So where does that leave us, with a bunch of patients that really need the help. Yeah, thanks Pappas and Leo

leo
leo

Lol Erik Sund and his boys. Thats right.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

And if I know about you 562 pusssies, guess who else has been watching and listening. Yes there is a big brother, better believe it and they are here in town.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Oh so you are a 562 collective tool? Heard you pussies are on 10th and Cherry now. Humm, how long can you last there without getting "ran up on"? Like the few times you got "ran up on" on Atlantic. Don't patronize me little boy. I ain't no cop. I just like to tell the truth. You guys had it made here compare to every other city in Ca and you hung your dick out to dry. Also, I did"nt mean getting "ran up on" by Erik Sund and his boys. You know what I mean by the that statement. Truth fucking hurts homie.

leo
leo

Fire Erik Sund.Fire Erik sund.Arrest Erik Sund.Arrest Erik Sund.

leo
leo

...seriously...NOW its another matter if Chief McDonnell desires to bypass the constitution and circumvent Due Process rights of poor weak citizens and utilize his tax payer provided weaponry and soldiers to tear down doors and destroy citizen property and cause innocent blood to be spilled without ever letting a court rule. Such as before in these last two years

leo
leo

You keep on thinking that a city goverment can regulate that which voters desired and enacted by their sheer will...against all odds.

Its like you believing that the city can regulate your free speech rights.

Its like believing that tge city can regulate and seat minorities at the back of city buses.

You give the city too much credit for having all this power that you can already see and witness they dont evidently have....right?

Big Ed
Big Ed

@Lbforlife Like I said...we will see who has the last laugh in the end! ;)

Big Ed
Big Ed

Lbforlife just brings stupidity and ignorance. He really has no clue on compassion! ;)

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

They take old ladies to jail too.

Big Ed
Big Ed

@Lbforlife... It doesn't matter, you're a dumb as rocks that doesn't understand. If it applies to DC it will apply through out the nation even if it is a district moron. If it didn't it would be discrimination. We definitely don't need more idiots in LB like yourself! No wonder our city is going to shit!

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

We know you re a tool already. Dont lie to the rest of us. It's all greed here folks. No fuckin compassion

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Washington sc is a district you dumb fuck. C u little boys in jail whent they come. Then you will snitching like the bitches you really are. Quit lying to your patients.

Big Ed
Big Ed

@Lbforlife... I bet you the city doesn't pass the ban on the 14! Robert Shannon stated he wasn't going to risk and take the gamble last city counsel because its going to be heard in the CA Supreme Court. You're attention span is that of a fruit fly. I'll bet you money. Put your money where your mouth is buddy!

Big Ed
Big Ed

@Lbforlife... Obviously you don't read because the pack clearly states cities can regulate stupid! Do you realize Washington dc just legalized medical marijuana? So let the Feds do their thing when in the end the will be all washed up like the City of LB and all these other corrupt cities. So go back to school and pay attention...maybe you might learn something this time around.

Serg
Serg

Let me quote to you what you have said to me.QUOTE "Embarrassing is when you are taking cold showers with a group of men in prison."QUOTE "No threats here. You don't want to go there. I can assure you that."QUOTE " Keep pushing the wrong buttons and you will go back to that Real Estate market that you raped." QUOTE "C u on da streets Serg. I wouldn't want to b u."I have not said one word to you other than "these comments sound like threats and are wholly inappropriate. "You have me at a complete disadvantage because you know who I am and clearly I do not know who you are. If I were to cross you on a street you have claimed that something bad will happen to me. I would appreciate it if you left me alone and stopped harassing me.

Serg

BullyTheBullies
BullyTheBullies

No threats Serg...you don't want to go there, he just assured you of that. Bipolar ridicule.

QueenLBC
QueenLBC

I live in Long Beach an have for nearly all my life. I operated a collective here in my community for people who are legitimately disabled. I paid taxes. I went through the system and what did I get? Raided without a warrant but you know what? I still didn't go to jail.

It's time for people to realize that they are literally hundreds of thousands of people who benefit everyday from medical marijuana. No one asked that you abandon your highly addictive, opiate-based pills, we just want to be able to choose what medicines we take that are recommended by OUR DOCTOR. And how about this: the people of California VOTED for patients to have medical marijuana available to ill Californians. The people have spoken and the country that I live in and love, that act is supreme.

You sound as though you've watched Reefer Madness one too many times. I am ashamed that you call yourself Lbforlife, we clearly don't need citizens of your "caliber" contaminating our city with your archaic views and profound lack of knowledge or compassion.

Why don't you go read what Congress has done for Medical Marijuana Patients in Washington DC and then maybe come back and apologize to all those you are spewing your ignorance too. That is if your reading comprehension skills are at an adequate level, which it appears that they are not.

However, as far as going to jail, let's just wait and see.

BullyTheBullies
BullyTheBullies

Stopping spitting already! Grow up and agree to disagree. There's plenty of rooms in showers for ignorant threatening mormons such as yourself. Just saying. The guy wasn't even responding to you. And if you're so tough, "I know gangstas" "Homie" Why don't you use YOUR real name?! (Rhetorical I'm sure since you will not give it up will you?) Why is anybody humoring this bleep! bag anyway. Peace.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Leo, I don't like tv. It's called the one eyed propaganda machine in my family. I take everything I read and see with suspicion and I will have to do my research. My apologies to you bro for being so aggressive. I don't care about city hall. I know they fucked up with that lottery shit. Shannon even fucking told them. What can we do? They move to ban and them boys will come rolling in and fucked everything up. That in turn destroys alot of the true prop 215 supporters. Bro, you and I know they can't do no jail time. So we are willing to sacrifice them for greed?

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Brother, when they hand those indictments to your kind. We are going to see who gets the last laugh. Like I said, we are here for life. Our families resides here. Where do you reside? You come to destroy our community for profit under the guise of prop 215 and you don't think people are paying attention. We will sit here and laugh when the city moves to ban on the 14. C u on da streets Serg. I wouldn't want to b u.

leo
leo

...and i do see 5,6 black/white cars at Krispy Kreme up there on Ximeno alot.

leo
leo

"The Man".... that sounds like a line from the movie "Black Dynamite" now im positive you watch too much TV

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

I am not a cop or even sympathize with those fucks at city hall, but you guys promote lies that will caused alot destruction to families and patients that listen to these lies. I apologize for being so aggressive and passionate in what I can see as a total travesty to the cause. They(the man) knows. Do you think they just eat fuckin donuts all day Serg? Really though.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

It's called reality Serg. No threats here. You don't want to go there. I can assure you that. Greed cause this mess. Lawyers lie to make money. You have not been there and probably never will. Fair warning, if the city can't regulate this who do you think is going to clean this up? Read what the DA and Police Chief in Riverside asked the Feds to do for them yesterday. The Garden Grove mayor had open talks with the Feds recently. Read that. So you want to sacrifice as martyrs the honest patients and collectives that actually do help the communities for the greed of the majority? Please Serg, you are a little boy. You boys don't count in the LBC. Keep pushing the wrong buttons and you will go back to that Real Estate market that you raped.

Serg
Serg

It sounds as if you may be an affiliated party. If so your comments sound like threats and are wholly inappropriate.

OCreader
OCreader

@Lbforlife Collectives are SUPPOSE to be "non-profit". They are not required to pay taxes to the city. That's why they should legalize it Federally! So the cities can make money off it too, rather than extorting it from the owner with fines & raids without warrants.

leo
leo

...we're gonna get biblical on everyones ass!

leo
leo

No Ban will stand up in court... and it will become Long Beachs Watergate taking the city government apart with a blitz that which has never been seen....

...it will be Pharoah bringing down the plagues upon itself with its own hand.

State compliant beautiful patient collectives will stand and remain forever.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

Like I said, let the city dicide on the 14th. When is banned you are fucked. Go back to the construction job you once had.

Big Ed
Big Ed

@LBforlife You must be a comedian! hahaha what a joke you are. Go back to the rock you came out from under! Just ignorant and dumb like most of them. You have know idea what you are talking about. Its so funny. Least I got a good laugh.

Lbforlife
Lbforlife

My heroes for compassionate selflessness is not Matt Pappas and "the greedy bunch". Try Buddha, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King. If I was involved in that type of lawsuit, I would be scared to live in this state and city. Food for thought.

 
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