bobby kept it real and said what he felt , fuck the ASP , they dont know how to judge a pissing contest
By Peter Maguire
By Charles Lam
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When Martinez thought Flanagan went back on a promise to increase his salary in 2008, he walked away from negotiations. He went on to win Teahupoo again in 2009 and finished eighth in the world. O'Neill signed him for 2010. But soon, he was taking on the ASP itself, a worldwide organization based in Australia with regional offices in Huntington Beach.
In late 2009, the ASP set into motion changes to fend off a competing tour and to make surfing more exciting in their minds. Instead of two separate tours, all surfers would fall under a One World Ranking, with the top 34 qualified for the contests that decide the champion. But now, anyone falling out of the 34 would be cut mid-season, not annually.
Martinez believed the changes, which borrowed from professional tennis, were a terrible fit for surfing, a sport far different from tennis' controlled environment. The location schedule for the tour favors certain styles of surfers during the first half of the year, others during the second. He gives an analogy: What if a tennis player who played well on hard courts was disqualified from the U.S. Open in September because he or she failed on the French Open's clay courts in May? And he remembered how his first year felt on the Dream Tour. Everyone deserved a whole year to savor.
He took up his grievance with Brodie Carr, the ASP's CEO, who agreed with him, but nothing came of it. The union, World Professional Surfers, claimed surfers voted for the changes. Martinez found the claim absurd since no official poll was taken. World-title contenders now had to surf the lower qualifying events to stay in the top 34. And with the ASP changing points values for all events, many were confused about which events to surf.
In 2010, Martinez dropped to 20th in the world. Among other reasons, friends say, the traveling hurt his focus. Last year, just before the ASP hit Brazil for the Billabong Rio Pro, Martinez's grandfather died. If he surfed, he'd miss the funeral. "I had to tell him, 'If you don't go to this, you will not have a chance to re-qualify,'" says Lee. Martinez beat Slater, came in fifth and got a tattoo in honor of his grandfather.
But last June, when, Martinez says, he got notification that after Quiksilver's New York contest, the first group of top surfers would hit their mid-season mark and be culled under the new rules, he'd had enough. "Every surfer I talked to didn't know how the point system worked," he says. Martinez, who uses "FUCK" like an English teacher uses a preposition, went on a Twitter rant.
Over the summer, Tim English at Monster Energy says he received a call from the surfer, who was just coming off the tour. "If you don't believe in this tour anymore and you're not happy, then you shouldn't be on tour," English remembers telling him. "He was just, 'Oh, man, you have no idea how good that makes me feel.' I think he was really relieved that he hadn't upset anyone."
Martinez had also reached out to fellow surfer Garcia.
"His heart wasn't in it," says Garcia. "I talked to him for a long time: 'Are you sure this is a decision you want to make? It will be really sad not to see you on tour because I believe you can win.' He was just like, 'Man, I don't know how you did it for so long. . . . I don't feel like I have a voice.'"
He had already pulled out of South Africa, and then Teahupoo. In August, he announced he was retiring. And in September, he told the World Tour what he thought of them on a beach on Long Island.
"Sorry if I offended anyone," he said to English, "but I don't regret it for one minute."
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The online bulletin boards lit up. "A has-been who has sealed his own fate," came the word on Stab.
"Bitter Beaner Bobbie does it again," "frucus" felt free to unload.
If the haters were having a go at Martinez on bulletin boards, industry observers noted the financially lethal aspects of what he had done. But Martinez also drew respect, not only from the teenage demographic that thrived on his fuck-off attitude, but also from observers in the surf world.
"I think the sport needs more Bobby Martinezes," explains Barry K Haun, curator and creative director of the Surfing Heritage Foundation in Costa Mesa. "I'm not saying that everything he says is right, [but] without the Bobbies, you can end up with a very homogenized sport."
If Hawaii's North Shore is surfing's mythic Mecca, Orange County is its Wall Street, a fiercely provincial big-money world in which professional incest is unavoidable. "I ran a company called Black Flys for years off Monrovia [Avenue in Costa Mesa], which is right down the street from Hurley, which is right down the street from Quiksilver, which is right down the street from Billabong, which is right down the street from O'Neill," says Jonathan Paskowitz, president of Lightning Bolt USA. "It's this big, nepotistic group of industry individuals who all hang out together and work together."
bobby kept it real and said what he felt , fuck the ASP , they dont know how to judge a pissing contest
I know this term gets thrown around a lot against the media ... but I have to say, this article is biased.
I mean, how can you not mention the benefits of the mid year rotation - like the appearance of Gabriel Medina and John John Florence. And the maths of the One World Ranking vs teh World TItle race weren't that hard to understand! It was extremely simple!
Of course most surfers want just one cut at the end of each year, it suits their selfish goal of wanting to stay at the top as long as possible.
The top half of the World Tour competitors didn't need to compete in the lower tier events, because they were doing well enough. Only the lower ranked surfers had to, and that is fair enough, those on the edge of qualification should always be competing for spots.
Slater also counted the points when the Waimea Eddie Invitational was messed up. He is an articulate and extremely intelligient competitor.Long time ago, there was something called "Soul Surfing". I travelled, found a great wave far from the scene and raised my family there. When I returned to the North Shore scene, I discovered that you were in/cool or nobody. Money talks loudly, it's who you know. Companies acted as though soul surfing was an extinct historical anomaly. The independents with attitude all went to "skateboarding"? What's up with THAT??Martinez is a soul surfing. Good on him mate!
I agree with the comment below. The fact that Bobby spoke out does show he cares. It was his life & livelihood. Since the ASP has confessed so many changes they ought to show the corporate world how surfing industry corporations are different, i.e., at their core, still a band of brothers from the beach. One way it could do this is by taking Bobby on their board of advisors. The contest thing needs to convey the charisma that every surfer feels when they paddle out. Bobby would go.
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the problem is is the tour is stuck in the past its not progressing with how fast surfing is the judging system is old and dumb.Bobby is not a puppet and cant just sit there and ignore the hopeless tour bullshit,he just wants to surf and kick arse but the tour is stuck in the past.
Bob Mart, repackaged and refitted with the latest branded clothing line to flog.
If Bobo was currently right and well in his world, would not every surfer on tour have hired him by now to re-negotiate their contracts?
Here's an idea, if the contest hating kooks really wanted to see the ASP fail quickly, install Bobo Mart as the ASP CEO.
I think I am fortunate to have surfed here in Hawaii since my dad floated me out on his wooden hollowed board. I got to see the evolvement of surfboards, fins and leashes. Which is a far cry from drilling my glassed in fin and tying a cord to it. I was asked by a tourist recently as to what I didn't like about surfing. Commercializm...that is killing the sport. Let Bobby M surf.....he is the 99‰. Nuff said, Aloha
bobo's gripe is with the industry and it may be fair but he also sounds like a complete and utter retard. bitch ass move to quit the tour though.
Yawn. Bobby wasn't cutting it and was too dumb to figure out he only had to surf J-Bay and Tahiti to qualify. Good riddance, we got way better surfers out of the exchange. Surfers who actually give a shit and are thankful that they are paid to be flown around the world to surf. What's he still crying about?
Have been interested in this story for a while, but who exactly are you saying he's rebelling against? The tour? The industry? If so, I would like to have heard more from Dave Prodan or Renato Hickel or even some of the other surfers on tour instead of ones who are past their expiration date. Also, in terms of the industry, I would have liked to have heard from people at his former sponsors like Oakley or Reef or O'Neill to hear what they have to say about it. Tibby basically rounded up like-minded individuals here whether it was Sunny or Bobby's friends or sponsors at FTW or Channel Islands and pretended like she was presenting a balanced story. It just seems really one-sided.
Also, I'm an occasional follower of the world tour and I thought the midyear rotation worked great. We got Miguel Pupo and Gabriel Medina and John John Florence out of it. Gabriel won two events and John John won the Triple Crown. I'm actually disappointed that they got rid of it for this year. Anyways, just wanted to hear a bit more fact and a bit less opinion.
bobby's a wash out. everyone in his life told him he would be the champ and when it turned out that that wasn't the reality he started blaming everyone from the sponsors to the tour to even kelly himself.
This is the most agenda-driven piece I have ever read. You can't find a single surfer currently on tour to speak about Bobby and resort to quoting his sponsor? Pathetic.
Standing ovation from the dunce section of SURFING.
I've been telling people in "The Surf Industry" for months that they were clearly missing the mark on Bobby's "Victory Speech" in New York. The tennis reference alone has much deeper roots that start with the Bronzed Aussies that created "competitive surfing."
It will go down in surfing lore as the Gettysburg Address regarding competitive professional surfing. The line's drawn. What is SURFING? Is it a sport? Does it NEED to be a sport.
I believe Bobby's speech is more significant than all 11 of Slater's titles at this point. Slater is the best natural surfer the planet has ever seen, yet (similar to Michael Jordan) he's done nothing outside the water to use his monumental power to develop something that appeals to 99% of the everyday surfers out there. Let's forget non-surfing audiences. If This Bogus Tour could attract even a quarter of the world's everyday surfers to watch, they'd be melting internet servers around the clock.
Instead, the Surfing Industry is led by the third and fourth generations of inbred hillbillies who are "connected to the family of surfing" - yet have IQ's a that Down Syndrome patient's scoff at.
Bobby has seen the light. Jamie O'Brien, Bruce Irons and many other have seen the light. It may have taken a while (Bruce and Bobby obviously had successful stints on tour - Jamie never bought in), but they saw.
Speaking of the Irons' family. You may want to follow up with Bobby regarding his thoughts on Andy Irons and his treatment by The Industry. THAT... may lead to the BIG BANG surfing is waiting for.
Movie scripts are nearly finished regarding THAT story.
Thanks again, Tibby.
You kicked the shit out of any living "Surf Journalist" in one resounding bullet to their temples.
Yours in our beloved Jesus Christ and Loving Savior,
I think the mid year rotation/cut to the top 34 worked. This article fails to address how it really worked, but then, the ASP has never done a good job at explaining how the One World Rankings and mid-season cut really worked.
And re: Bobby's analogy that "imagine if a hard-court tennis player who failed on Europe's clay was banned from the US Open?". Well, Bobby and Tibby - that is exactly how tennis works! If you can't defend your points over the last 12 months, you don't make the main draw for grand slams. Usually around the top 110 in the world gain direct entry from their rankings/points from the week before the slam, but there are wildcard and qualifying playoff spots for the rest. A totally fair and transparent system. And the players who are on "the bubble" have to do well in lower tier events to get their points up ... just like in surfing.
But Bobby just didn't want to compete. He could have easily stayed in the top 34 and then even requalified if he wanted to. You make no mention of CJ Hobgood who was dropped from the tour at the same time as Bobby, yet after competing in only 3 events (including a low-tier contest he won) he made it straight back.
If only Bobby had put it as eloquently as you have during his outbursts. Maybe he wouldn't have been dismissed so quickly.
He was actually in the perfect position to 'rally the troops' but I fear he's lost his credibility.
I know he's walked away from the tour, but there is no doubt in my mind that he still cares.
It's articles like this that will help restore his image, and hopefully make some positive changes to the surfing world.
Have you voiced this concern over the 99.99% of propoganda released by Surf Writers over the last three decades? What Tibby did was unearth voices of dissent. Something squelched like a robber's fart in the Smithsonian by The Industry for eons.
You pee on this article?
Where have you been the last 30 years? All the Mags are beholden to the Corporations that run surfing and therefore propogate their agenda, and a lone person OUTSIDE The Industry tells the actual story of a single surfer dispatched by Their Syatem and YOU cry foul?
You fail statistics young lad.
The up and coming generation are just more cow-towing to 80 pages of rules that no one else lives by when SURFING. Therefore the disconnect. No one else CARES!
Wake up, child!
See the light.
Imagine SURFING. Is that what you see on tour? If so, you are months and years late. What you are wtinessing is ancient history. Already documented on YouTube or Vimeo.
Gird your loins brothers! This article was a watershed momement.
Try finding a pro ¡surfer ALLOWED to comment on Bobby. If they don't want to be FINED they're not allowed to comment on him, what he said, or the changes taking place. Pro ¡surfing is run by fascists. Ask one of they fascists why the pro ¡surfers don't talk about the most discussed post heat interview of the year.
Yea, real watershed.... How many people do you think never heard of the brand Bobo is currently flogging?
Good jobbie, Bobo. Capitalizing on it all. Ceasing the moment.... Making bank while the sun shines on your dome.
True blue American all the way!
You're upset that one side is inhibiting the truth. I'm upset that ANYONE is inhibiting the truth. The problem we have in today's corporate-ized and #occupy society is that there is not even a modicum of truth in any journalistic piece (the above, absolutely included). You either have bias and propaganda from one direction or bias and propaganda from the other direction. Now, it's likely that one side began the propaganda war and it's also likely that the finger can be aimed at the corporatocracy. However, that doesn't mean that the "media" should further corrupt itself in pursuit of "balancing out the system". The media should be out to find the truth regardless of the circumstances. However, this article's most cited sources are:
- Bobby Martinez (has an axe to grind)- Bryan Taylor (Bobby's Manager)- Bobby Vaughn (Bobby's sponsor)- Travis Lee (Bobby's sponsor)- Paskowitz (Industry outsider with an axe to grind)- Tarik Khasshogi (Bobby's friend)
I simply wanted to see further comments from Prodan or Hickel or, AT A MINIMUM, comments from Bobby's former sponsors at Oakley, Reef and O'Neill (instead of Bryan Taylor's recount of what happened).
Again, I'm not saying that Bobby and his points are without merit and it's sad that an agenda-driven piece like this cannot seem to get to the root of the truth. However, this article either does Bobby and his opinions a disservice or Bobby and his opinions are (as displayed above) unintelligible and disorganized.
The journalist has been good enough to list the names of the people you want to hear from. Look them up, give them a call. If you're feeling generous - feel free to let us know what transpires.
Strange thing about media operating around an enclave like the ¡surfing industry: they're not going to be let in.
Strange thing about the ¡surf med¡a: they're not going to let dissenting opinions in.
But you, dear citizen of the modern world, (if you really want to know) can make a phone call to find out - if you're really a part of the citizenry not a member of the ¡surf world - you'll have more of a chance that they'll talk to you than a journalist like Tibby holding them accountable for comments.
The industry loves nothing more than spreading gossip and innuendo, because gossip and innuendo can't be held to account.
"I NEVER knew Andy used drugs" - Brodie Carr, often, to many many people that wouldn't hold him accountable, including the ¡surf media. The only true part of that statement is that he said it. The rest is a lie, and he knows it.
Now that's a bit myopic, isn't it? Here I am 'thinking' that this article is bullshit. And here you are telling me to what? Stop 'thinking' that? To take this story as gospel of what actually occurred? You're the one that needs to start thinking there big fella. I think that the mags are full of bullshit. I think this is bullshit too. The difference between you and I is that you choose to exchange one lie for another. I don't.
Show me a single piece of journalism written by anyone that is completely unbiased and without objectivity. ONE. I bet my life savings you can't because it's not possible. Every journalist knows this. It's taught in journalism school for christ's sake.
This article was about telling Bobby Martinez side of the story.
Agenda driven? Of course. Axe to grind? Who doesn't? Will this win a Pulitzer? No.
I champion this article because it told Bobby's story. Not The Industry's story.
You want to hear from The Industry? "I simply wanted to see further comments from Prodan or Hickel or, AT A MINIMUM, comments from Bobby's former sponsors at Oakley, Reef and O'Neill (instead of Bryan Taylor's recount of what happened)."
Go buy a surf magazine or read all the surf blogs out there on the internet. Every single one gave the opinions and thoughts you are asking for. So, meld the two in your head and decide for yourself what's going on.
It requires YOU to think for a change.
You are a classic example of old Media 1.0 asking to be spoonfed everything so you never have to think for yourself.