Is 'Brown Pride' the Same as 'White Pride'?

[¡Ask a Mexican!] Plus, are there Mexican Jews?

DEAR MEXICAN: What happened to my friend? She is white (Irish—her only aunt was a Catholic nun!), she grew up in Pico Rivera (so most people think she is Mexican with green eyes), she is converting to Judaism, and guess what! All she meets are Mexicans! And all she likes are Mexican men—in fact, the Mexican janitor at the temple she goes to asked for her number. When she first attended her temple, she called me, and guess what! She met Mexican men trying to find their Jewish roots. Now that she is becoming a Jew, she meets more Mexican men. What's going on? Do I have to become Jewish to find a Mexican husband?

Her Friend Who Will Not Convert

DEAR WABETTE: Guess what! There are Mexican Jews! Have been since the Conquest, which saw more than a few conversos (Jews who converted to the Catholic faith after Ferdinand and Isabella banned Judaism and Islam from the Iberian peninsula in 1492 under penalty of death) come over to the New World and take out their existential angst on the indigenous. After that, they laid low for a couple of centuries, practicing their religion in privacy and as far away from prying Catholic eyes as possible (a couple of thousand conversos ended up in New Mexico, where some maintain Jewish practices to this day—take THAT, proponents of Hispanic purity!). This hidden history (Muslims took the same path as their fellow Abrahamic brothers, although we call them Moriscos) has sparked interest among some Mexicans to research their ancestry, which might be why your gal is all of a sudden getting such interest from hombres. Because whether we're Jew or Muslim, Catholic or Mormon, nothing inflames a Mexican man's heart like a cute, devout gabachita.

DEAR MEXICAN: Some time ago, Cain Velasquez won the Ultimate Fighting Championship heavyweight title. Not long after, I heard a lot of people saying that his "Brown Pride" tattoo across his chest is racist and that if a white person were to have a "White Pride" or "White Power" tattoo, everyone would be quick to label him a racist. What's your take on this?

 

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DEAR MMA: You hear this a lot from skinheads—that Mexis proclaiming Brown Pride is just like their pushing White Pride, so why is it okay for mestizos to be proud of their race but not whites? That twisted logic shows what pendejos those skins are. The more accurate corollary to Brown Pride would be the Black Power or Yellow Power movements of the 1960s, from which Brown Power emerged. That era saw historically oppressed minorities try to instill a sense of orgullo in themselves, to attempt to deprogram centuries of gabacho thought and laws that maintained minorities should be ashamed of who they are. More important, though, Brown Pride in its most common manifestation hasn't been used to preach race supremacy or to terrorize minorities, à la the proponents of white pride. Can gabachos be proud of their roots? Damn straight—celebrate your mick or wop or honky ancestry, gabachos, but given that the definition of "white" continuously changes in this country (the Irish once weren't; Mexis once were), anyone boasting White Pride is as deluded as, well, a skinhead.

 

GOOD MEXICAN OF THE WEEK: Books such as Huichol Territory and the Mexican Nation: Indigenous Ritual, Land Conflict, and Sovereignty by Paul M. Liffman are welcome, necessary reminders that Indians in Mexico still must fight for respect and their ancestral lands—and against the eradication of their traditions. Liffman commits the academic sin of relying too much on the works of others to validate his points, but Huichol Territory nevertheless stands as an important document of how fucked-up the Mexican government is—and how the Conquest continues. Well-written, too, and encyclopedic.

 
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RobE
RobE

Fun fact about Judaism being practiced during Spanish and Portuguese colonial times in the Americas: the Catholic Church staged auto da fes in the New World to execute those who were allegedly practicing the Jewish faith, and, as Gustavo points out, this was mostly focused on conversos.

Gotta keep; the competition down, I guess.

SoCal.
SoCal.

You use the words mick,wop and honky,sounds like your the racist,We are a diluted, do your research before you run your mouth on the internet,Generalizing people is not a smart thing to do,are all Mexicans illegal,are all Irish drunks,do Italians eat pasta everyday.I don't think so,Be proud of what ever you are but if you see White Pride that's a considered racist I don't think so,

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CasualReader
CasualReader

USC is the best school in Southern California. So if people at UCLA are smarter than this guy, that shows that this guy is truly an idiot.

Bill T.
Bill T.

The person is a long-time troll "contributor" to the comments sections. In fact they comment so often that they that they qualify as loyal Gustavo followers, cracks me up.

Bill T.
Bill T.

Damn, hate it when I miss typos when i check my comments. intended to write "... qualify as a loyal Gustavo follower ...". Is it possible for the editor to edit my post and delete this one, I believe the OCW (got it right this time :-D ) reserves the right to edit posts?

Si se puede Deportar
Si se puede Deportar

Anyone is free to have ethnic pride, except Whitey. He be bad and shit. And those Avenues vatos who practice ethnic cleansing? They're just showing their orgullo.

Bill T.
Bill T.

What I see is that my white "brothers" that go on about white pride use it as a thinly veiled excuse to denigrate others. I have never gotten any negative vibes from OCW writers regarding my northern European background but then I don't use it as an excuse to bad-mouth people with a-half or one teaspoon more melanin in their skin than I have (I have a couple more important things to worry about). As an example, I have no feeling that the KKK articles are aimed at me personally they are just statements of fact about where our society has come from and they illustrate roots of aspects of today's culture. It's about giving people hope that they can better their and their families' lots in life and motivation to try to act on that hope.

Ihateusc
Ihateusc

lol..wait, your examples of good mexicans is a peasant girl who saw the virgin mary in a potato chip, a farm laborer with a big mouth, a fat mexican pitcher who didnt last bc he got too fat, and a second rate band.. hardly nobel prize scientists, medical doctors who invented life saving devices or distinguished lawyers or professors..basically, you are saying mexican es muy stupido!! however, i guess hayek's boobs makes it all ok in the end....

as for ucla, i didnt see a whole lot of mexicans when i went.. of course i was in south campus, where the real majors were... where exactly is the chicano studies building.....lol

Mile Grinder
Mile Grinder

What's wrong with hating USC? I spent a couple of years in a SoCal school district populated mostly by rich whites who all got boners over having their kids go to SC. They even made the school colors and mascot resemble USC's. Their sense of upper-middle class entitlement knew no bounds. USC's business school churns out wannabe masters-of-the-universe who are part of the corporatist cabal that's fucking over the rest of this country. USC gave us H.R. Haldeman, though both he and Ehrlichman did some time at UCLA, so screw them, too <chuckle>. Go, Cal Bears!</chuckle>

Mile Grinder
Mile Grinder

Cool. I'm half Italian (dad) and half Irish (mom). If I have "Wop Pride" tattooed across my chest and "Mick Pride" or "Harp Pride" tattooed across my back, I'm just proud, not racist? I assume since African-Americans can use the "n" word with impunity when speaking with or to each other, Italian-Americans can use "wop" and Irish-Americans can use "mick" or "harp" the same way. . . .

Ihateusc
Ihateusc

so what should the mexicans be proud of? maybe its the 50% drop out rate, or teen-age pregnancy rate? how bout the fact that they make the least amount of money and live 10 in a home like cockroaches? or how bout the fact that every city that has a latino majority is a cess pool? maybe the brown pride is just the turd that the flush when they clean the toilets...

Pepe
Pepe

Actually, what I'm the proudest of is the way your granny's mouth looked like a glazed donut after she blew me last Friday. It was a thing of beauty!

VID88
VID88

I wonder if this is what the WASP were saying of the krauts, kikes, guineas, and micks once.

Gubnegawsklov
Gubnegawsklov

Wow. All skinheads are racist? You oughta tell that to the thousands of skinheads in Bogata, or the Mexico City Skins. From Mexico to South America the skinhead movement is flourishing, probably because as a culture, Skinheads started out as Reggae music fans. The neo-nazi "boneheads" that claim white power are actually dumber than you think, as skinhead fashion is a black fashion that started in the 60's. You oughta talk to some actual Latinos and learn what we're into. Also Brown Pride is a very violent street gang nowadays.

Chefsteban
Chefsteban

LOL...you have to remember that Gustavo the wanna be whitie is once again talking out of his culo. I am mexi and I see nothing wrong with the term white power....not all white pride peeps are racist as out wanna be gabacho you have you think. nazis and skinheads are far removed from what whites believe and want...let them live their narrow minded fantasy world...I don't give a damn as long as they don't mess with me....that becomes a new ball game....come to think of it, our wannabe gingo and the nazi skinheads share a common thread...they both want to be what they are not.

MariaL
MariaL

Now this fool Gustavo thinks he knows what pride is about. Stick with your gay pride Gustavo,that you know ALOT about

Cmh6473
Cmh6473

Just because they speak Spanish doesn't mean that they are not white. There are several euro races/cultures that settled the Americas from Canada all the way to South America.

gustavoarellano
gustavoarellano

Oh, please: the good skinheads call themselves straight-edge; it's the bad ones that fucked up the term, just like the swastika their Nutzi godfathers took away from humanity.

Der Meister
Der Meister

People are extremely ignorant and choose to remain so. Why do you people want to focus on semantics or the rare exception of what "the good kind of skin head" is. He's discussing the big picture of what brown pride and white pride represent, and you guys want to make this about some obscure knowledge of skin heads and brown pride gangs. Maybe you have a point but it doesn't apply to this discussion. If you want to argue with Gustavo you better have a laundry list of facts or he'll tear you apart. Friendly advice in case you haven't noticed that he does plenty of research before speaking up and backs it up with references.

Jdizzy
Jdizzy

Fact - I answered one of Gustavo stupid trivia questions almost 2 years ago and he has yet to send me my gift card. That is my laundry list...Gustavo, care to tear me apart on this one? Gus can dish it out with the best of them, calling me whiney and to stop bitching etc, but when you call him out, he somehow forgets where the reply button is on his computer or how to make good on his word. BROWN PRIDE

Marial
Marial

Your lips are crusted over from kissing his ass....he doesn't know shit except gay pride.

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