More Mormon Mexicans?!?

[¡Ask a Mexican!] Also, why do the people of Jalisco look down on other Mexicans?

DEAR MEXICAN:I heard Mormonism is a quickly spreading religion down in ye olde Mexico. What is it about this religion that a lot of Mexicans find so fascinating?

Jack Mormón

 

DEAR GABACHO: Historically? Mexico has long had the second-largest community of Mormons in the world after the United States—official LDS figures estimate 1.2 million members live in Mexico, a significant increase from the 783,000 estimated in 1999. This community has existed for almost 135 years, created after polygamous Mormons who wanted to keep their multiple wives moved down south because, hey, anything goes down Mexico way, right? Sociologically? Mormons are masters of proselytizing—the increase in numbers “shows that a church group can produce a short-term phenomenal growth rate by committing resources to missionary activity,” according to Professor James W. Dow in his 2003 scholarly paper “The Growth of Protestant Religions In Mexico and Central America.” Theologically? My understanding of Mormonism is that it places an emphasis on the family, encourages couples to have as many children as possible, stresses the dominion of the husband over the family and hates homosexuals. If those attributes aren’t appealing to Mexicans, then I’m Moroni himself.

DEAR MEXICAN:Why do Mexicans from Jalisco look down on Mexicans from other parts of the country?

El Gallo Negro

DEAR BLACK ROOSTER: Because tapatiós are the Texans of Mexico—an arrogant, brilliant, overly patriotic group whom government officials romanticize as the id of the national psyche and whose societal characteristics and traditions became easily identifiable stereotypes to the rest of the world. Déjame give you an example: You know how a lot of gabachos assume all Mexicans wear massive sombreros, love the tequila, play mariachi and have the potential to grow mustaches as thick as the Amazon rainforest? That’s because all those stereotypes originated from Jalisco, the birthplace of mariachi and tequila, where the native sombrero is huge and brimmed and most of the men can grow big bigotes because of the Spanish blood inside them. Starting in the 1930s, Mexican officials specifically picked Jalisco to immortalize in films and other cultural exports so that the rest of the world assumed all Mexicans were just the same. “Needing a people who could personify hispanismo,” wrote Joanne Hirschfield in “Race and Class in the Classical Cinema,” an essay in the anthology Mexico’s Cinema: A Century of Film and Filmmakers, “its proponents found them in . . . Jalisco. The mythology of [Jalisco] created a horse-riding people who were devoutly Catholic and capitalistic, had never intermarried with Indians, and played Mariachi music.”

Because of this propaganda effort, people from Jalisco—just like those from Texas—have a notorious superiority complex, but each state or region in Mexico occupies a certain strata in la república that matches up to our own states. People from Zacatecas, for instance, are the Iowans of Mexico: hard-working, humble, and famous for their immigration to other lands. Mexico City is New York City, of course, while Monterrey is more like the Boston of Mexico, although more on the Brahmin side than the racist mick part. Sonora and Sinaloa are an eternal Wild West, literally (as they occupy the western part of Mexico) and figuratively (the narco wars), while Oaxaca and Chiapas are our Guatemala, not just because of its geographical proximity to the country, but because of the large indigenous population. I can go on, but this humble Zacatecan must go back to work exposing Jaliscans as the blowhards they are.

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  • Leqaf 07/24/2011 1:16:00 PM

    Tapatíos look down at the rest of México? I think you confused us with chilangos.

  • clarification 08/21/2010 6:41:00 PM

    Hi Bill, I understand why you might feel that way about choosing "Saints", in actuality the word saint in Greek denotes “set apart, separate, [and] holy”. What does it mean to be a Saint? In the Mormon Church, the members are "Latter-day Saints", and they attempt to emulate the Savior, follow His teachings, and receive saving ordinances in order to live in the celestial kingdom with God the Father and our Savior Jesus Christ. *Source: Elder Quentin L. Cook

  • RobE 08/18/2010 7:16:00 AM

    To Al: I did my senior thesis in college on Mormon social organization based on collected oral histories as well as other data as part of a class taught by an LDS member from a well known Utah family and everything that Gustavo wrote is accurate. Many Mormons did, in fact, migrate to Mexico due to the polygamy issue. I would also advise you that before you engage in name calling (and misspelling "moron" as "moran"), you refute point by point the argument made by the person you are debating. All insults do is make you look like a yahoo with no facts to back you up. In other words, mere bluster ain't gonna get it. On another subject, Gustavo, I'm currently reading Hugh Thomas' excellent book, "The Slave Trade," and it mentions that Africans were imported into Mexico as slaves. Yet, I've certainly never personally met a Mexican or Mexican-American with obvious African ancestry. There is an interesting wiki on the subject, though, at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexican Nonetheless, I would still be interested in your take on the subject, especially as to how the Mexican-American community views Afro-Mexicans.

  • Al 08/18/2010 1:47:00 AM

    To Gustavo Arellano Your article on Mexicans and Mormons is to say the least "SAD" how did you ever get a position to write "CRAP" I guess any NIMROD can say what they want now days. YOU truly are an "IDIOT" Do you even know a LDS member? NOT a MORMON moran...LDS.

  • Tired of Messycants 08/14/2010 9:00:00 PM

    The reason is because they are all racist, in one way or another.They cant even get along with "thier own kind" the "hermanos", la raza, mis primos; they are ALL RACIST yet cry and moan that anyone who doesnt want to give them a handout is the real racist! Call a salvadorian a mexican or a Rican a Cuban and see how ticked they get!Brown monkey trash, nothing more nothing less. "MUCK FEXICO"

  • bill 08/13/2010 8:23:00 AM

    "Monterrey is more like the Boston of Mexico, although more on the Brahmin side than the racist mick part. " bit of racist yourself

  • frank 08/12/2010 10:54:00 AM

    and yes, the Mormons in Mexico have lots of money-but unlike here the government makes them put their churches/temples in less visible locations...in Panuco, Veracruz where my wife is from the Mormon church is easily the best maintained and most modern building in the city... As for Mexican stereotypes-I think you have a point about Guadalajara (take a look at the soccer player Chicharito)-but wouldn't a more accurate parallel to Monterrey be Pittsburgh (lots of very heavy industry in Monterrey)? Wouldn't you also agree that the politics in Monterrey are the most conservative and pro-business in the country?

  • Efren Palacios 08/06/2010 12:29:00 PM

    Tavo, you hit the nail on the head with this piece on the people from Jalisco. I'm a pocho, but my family is all from Jalisco & for years, people would ask me why I always put down the rest of Mexico. I guess it just runs in my blood now. I do have a big moustache, I rock a sombrero to parties with boots, I pound tequila & I love mariachi music. I'm also proud of my mom's famous Jalisco style birria, I wear cintos piteados which originate from Colotlan. Did I mention I'm light skinned & 6'2" tall? Sorry, just being a Jalisco dick to you. Keep up the great work, Huarachudo!!!

  • beaner4life 08/06/2010 2:52:00 AM

    Gustavo, c'mon, you have to admit, we Jalisciense are the best. We are the embodiment of the old Mexico. FIERRO!!!

  • Gustavo Arellano 07/28/2010 5:00:00 AM

    Bill: I thought only the Pope made saints! Urban: Good points! Mrs. G: Tennessee or Kentucky--backwards, but beautiful! Jose Alfredo: I'll say el Yucatan is Alaska or Hawaii-added to la república near the end. Or maybe I'm thinking of Sonora? Christian: Gracias for your insight, but I stand by my characterization. Rich: HA! Jacques: Hmm...Puebla?

  • bill t. 07/27/2010 10:01:00 PM

    Christian, I carefully read Gustavo's comment (which I take to be somewhat hyperbolic) and your quote from the LDS church (apparently) several times each, and I see no substantial semantic difference. Couching the sentiments in "polite" language in no way changes the message. Don't get me wrong, I find that I like most Mormons I have met, finding them to largely be nice hard-working family-oriented folks. I do believe that many of their ideas are pretty much as goofy as the typical LDS member would find mine to be.

  • Fryer 07/26/2010 6:18:00 AM

    What about Michoacan?? ^ California would seem like the best comparison; Santa Ana = mini Sahuayo

  • Jacques Maurman 07/25/2010 7:35:00 PM

    If Monterrey is the Boston of Mexico, how do they "Pahk their cahs at Hahvahd yahd" (and what's their position on Cahstro & Cuber)? Also, what's considered the "Arkansas" of Mexico?

  • richmx2 07/24/2010 5:54:00 AM

    Monterrey the "Boston of Mexico"? ¡Que barbaro! OK, Monterrey has a TEC and Boston has MIT, but that's about it. I've lived (er... resided) in Monterrey. Culturally, it's more like Oklahoma City.

  • Jose Alfredo 07/24/2010 12:07:00 AM

    I have to disagree with the comparison. People from Jalisco and particularly form Guadalajara are among the friendliest, laid back people I know. Also, historically, Yucatan has been the equal of Texas in Mexico. Yucatan has tried to secede from the republic in several occasions, the yucatecos have a very strong sense of local pride and look down on people who are not from Yucatan. In el gabacho is not hard to see people boosting their local state flag, in Mexico all states have its own flag as well but the only place where I have seen it at work desks, car plates, etc. is in Yucatan

  • Christian 07/23/2010 11:54:00 PM

    I wouldn't really write anything here except that the ending statements ("stresses the dominion of the husband over the family and hates homosexuals") are twists on the truth and things somebody might think about Mormons if they "heard from a friend who heard from a friend who heard from a friend," etc. I understand Gustavo came right out and said he is only giving his own understanding and that the things he mentioned go right along with Mexican culture so I don't take any of it as Mormon-bashing but I'll take an opportunity here to add a quick clarification from an official Church statement: "The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation." http://w4pyl.cjb.net/ To Bill Wilson: As the New Testament does many times, the LDS Church considers all followers of Christ to be "saints."

  • Ralph 07/23/2010 10:09:00 PM

    Did you mean Chiapas and Oaxaca are like our Southwestern states because of the indigenous population? Isn't Guatemala our Mexico?

  • Mrs.G 07/23/2010 9:40:00 PM

    What about Michoacan??

  • urbanleftbehind 07/23/2010 7:49:00 PM

    So is Guanajuato like Ohio (lots of mid-size cities that everyone leaves) and Durango like Michigan (lots of musicians, everyone left and went to Chicago, sort of like Zac)?

  • bill wilson 07/23/2010 5:52:00 AM

    Problem with Mormonism is they pick their own saints Only God and Jesus Christ have the authority to make someone a saint.

 

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