Milo the Witch Finds Toil and Trouble at Ralphs

Milo Shiff loves his job, but hated that Halloween display enough to file a discrimination complaint

“I’d like to have them understand not just my religion, but also other minority religions,” Shiff says. “Realize we exist. Realize that even though they are the mainstream by an overwhelming majority, theirs is not the only religion, that there are other religions and that they need to respect them.”

Earlier this month, Shiff spoke again with representatives from the Department of Fair Employment and Housing. He says they told him Ralphs was looking to negotiate a settlement on the issue of past harassment from co-workers. But on the issue of the witch display, the agents told Shiff, there was nothing that could be done. The department can’t interfere with a corporation’s “marketing.” They might have been able to do something about a display like that if it had depicted Jewish or black stereotypes, Shiff says he was told. But the case law simply isn’t there for witches.

Milo Shiff holds a candle for his religion
John Gilhooley
Milo Shiff holds a candle for his religion
Shiff works six days per week as a grocery-store greeter
John Gilhooley
Shiff works six days per week as a grocery-store greeter

Catherine Fisk, a professor at UC Irvine’s school of law who teaches classes on harassment and discrimination law, doesn’t see it that way. From the way it sounds, she says, Shiff just might have a case. “In the ordinary harassment scenario, if you intend to force the employee to engage in conduct, even if you don’t know that it’s humiliating to them because of their status or their religion, there’s liability,” she says. “The employer who says, ‘Sure, I make young women dress up in wet T-shirts; I didn’t think that it bothered them’ doesn’t have a defense. So if you analyze the case that way, it seems clear that he has a claim.”

Shiff told the department’s agents he didn’t want to settle with Ralphs if the witch decoration wasn’t going to be formally addressed. He admits, though, that some of his concerns have already been alleviated. At least one employee he said had been harassing him has been transferred to another store. While he appreciated that the witch display wasn’t as prominent this past Halloween, he says, for Ralphs to publicly denounce the witch depiction to which he objects would mean a lot.

“I’m going to push it as far as I can,” he says. “If I can get a Fortune 100 company to make a change, that will help people all over the country. Because we all know change happens one step at a time.”

On Feb. 19, Shiff says, he returned from his lunch break to find John Schroeder, Ralphs’ group vice president for human resources, waiting for him at the store. According to Shiff, Schroeder told him that Ralphs was considering hiring a cultural specialist and that he would recommend the store avoid using witch decorations in the future. Schroeder cautioned that he didn’t have final decision-making authority, but Shiff is hopeful. “He gave me the impression, for the first time, that somebody was taking me seriously,” he says.

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Shiff won’t shake your hand; the handshake, he explains, is a holdover from the Christian crusades. When the president of Ralphs wished employees a “Merry Christmas” in a company newsletter, Shiff says he was perturbed, as Christmas was once used as an occasion to harass Jews in European villages. The company’s annual employee-awards party last year was Egyptian-themed. Shiff was aghast at the use of hieroglyphics, which to him are sacred writings, in the decorations.

Shiff admits it isn’t always easy adhering to a religion—and a reading of history—that puts him at odds with the society around him. But Kemetic Witchcraft isn’t the only religion that’s inconvenient. Courts have upheld the rights of religious parishioners to observe their holidays, dress codes and morals in the workplace, as long as it’s to a reasonable extent. But few other groups, Shiff points out, still must contend with anything like the green-faced, child-eating witch—a depiction of their religion that’s both ugly and so ingrained into modern culture that almost no one thinks twice about it.

Even so, a few of his witch friends have rolled their eyes at his quest. That’s one slight Shiff doesn’t much mind.

“Most of them [fellow witches] think I’m kind of wasting my time, that I’m not going to get anywhere,” he says. “They may be right. I may be ahead of my time. But eventually, society’s going to have to deal with this.”

skornhaber@ocweekly.com

 

This article appeared in print as "Toil and Trouble: Milo the witch loves his job at Ralphs. But a Halloween display compelled him to file a discrimination complaint."

 

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  • MURRELL 03/08/2010 2:25:00 AM

    IS HE STILL AM EMPLOYEE AT RALPHS ? HE SHOULD BE FIERD. RALPHS CORP PLEASE DO NOT SPEND ANY MORE TIME OR MONEY ON THIS BOZO. GET RID OF HIM OR TAKE HIM OFF THE FLOOR WITH THE PUPLIC.

  • LJ 03/08/2010 2:19:00 AM

    I HAVE NOTHING POSITIVE TO SAY ABOUT MILO. HE IS A NUT CASE AND SHOULD NOT BE WORKING WITH THE PUPLIC. THERE ARE JOBS FOR PEOPLE LIKE HIM.. AND IT IS NOT WORKING IN NEWPORT BEACH AT A GROCERY STORE IF HE IS GOOD WITH COMPUTERS THEN HE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE ROOM WITH THEM NOT PEOPLE. AND DON'T GIVE ME IS SMOKES POT FOR RELIGION PURPOSES. THAT IS CRAP.!!!

  • Richard Head 03/04/2010 11:08:00 PM

    Kudos to Milo for standing up for his rights.I myself have been worshiping Squirrels for many years now, and yet my attempts to eradicate the offensive and derisive characterizations of my deities by the likes of Hannah-Barbera and Walt Disney have so far been fruitless.We all need to be a little more sensitive.

  • Godfrey Harrison 03/02/2010 2:23:00 PM

    First of all, let me say that I'm a Christian (other)and that I live in the Bible Belt. That said, I am also an Oath-keeper. Under this country's Constitution, Milo has the right to worship his faith as well as any other person. I happen to know several Witches, Wiccans and others of similar belief systems. Almost all are decent, caring human beings with a sincere belief in being Stewards to the Mother Earth. It's something more Christians should consider embracing (Stewardship of the planet)before throwing rocks at other people. The one exception to the Witches that I've met was one that practiced Black Magic. she discussed me. But, she was just filled with a lot of hate,so I believe that was the only recourse available to her. I believe that Mariah Starsinger,Feathers and Christopher Blackwell and others have it pretty much covered. For those who spew hate and intolerance--look in the mirror children. Try to ask questions that try to understand, not condemn without just cause. Also, Lyra has some very valid points. Thanks for letting me rant,also:P

  • Feathers 03/02/2010 2:45:00 AM

    While I don't think it's sensible or practical to remove the 'green faced hag' image of a witch from public display, I think it would a better world if people knew where it came from, it's history, and that something things that can be fun in this day and age can have a dark history. The 'green faced hag' may be as much a fantasy creature as fairies and unicorns now, but it was once a stereotype applied to real people - ironically, mostly people who weren't witches at all, just elderly and single women who crossed some evil minded person somewhere, with said evil person thinking they'd found an 'excuse' in the mass hysteria of the day. People are still persecuted for being witches, most of them not witches at all, just scapegoats, although a few do say they practice magic - I have read that it happens to women in India, I also heard about it happening to elderly women in Ghana back in 2005 (UK Guardian, Dec 2005) but do not know if the situation has changed, and have heard about it happening to childen in the Congo (First saw it on the BBC back in 1999, but there was a documentary, I think on UK Channel 4 Dispatches series, last year). This isn't just of relavance to people who identify as witches, it's of relavance to everyone, because it is a prime example of how mass hysteria and public opinion can be used be people to terrible ends for their own purposes, and it is very important that we learn about past instances so that we don't let it happen again to any other minority groups.

  • Christopher Blackwell 02/28/2010 6:43:00 AM

    As a Wiccan I am not quite so sensitive, but I admit to admiring Milo for sheer guts. I do mention to people that I know that Witches are not green because I am not. [Grin] Ironically if the Witch was a beautiful lady then you might have some of the evangelical Christians upset at a positive image being displayed. Now as a man how about a handsome man Witch? After all Witches come in both genders.

  • Phadenot 02/28/2010 5:58:00 AM

    I just want to say that some peoples ignorance on here has just unfortunately validated some of Milo's claims. I mean seriously, one person called his religious views nutjoberry, and another said that witches should be placed in concentration camps. I believe in freedom of speech, but not when it violates the sanctity of others. There is an anti-hate law in effect in the united states which is held equal for all religions. I don't know why California hasn't accepted his faith as a valid religion. I do know that the U.S. Federal Gov. recognizes Wicca as a faith as well as Paganism. Kemetic Witchcraft falls under Paganism. I wish a very Bright Blessing to Milo, and a prayer to my Lady and Lord for all those who took the time to hate here. )0(

  • Lisa Morgenstern 02/28/2010 5:22:00 AM

    Milo has the same rights as everyone else does. If this was a caracature of a Black woman, or a Rabbi, saying something offensive, people would jump up and down and scream discrimination. Personally I embrace the green faced Crone and broom, etc. BUT I also feel that threatening children is beyond the pale there. THAT is not funny, it is discriminatory and needs to stop. And there are a lot of things that used to be used- Frito Bandito- the mexican Frito commericals- ended. Sambo's "Lil' Black Sambo" is not OK either. Heck, he was Indian not African, iirc. The time has come for people to recognize hate speech and hate incidents because they lead to hate crimes. Look at Patrick McCollum's case. He was told by a Prison official that they felt it was their duty to "not suffer a witch to live". That's hate speech right there and a threat.

  • Mariah Starsinger 02/28/2010 3:06:00 AM

    As a Wiccan and as a person who engages in Halloween haunting as her major hobby, I find myself wondering how to balance the concerns in this man's issue. I advocate respect for all people regardless of their beliefs, but I have no difficulty separating religious symbology from cultural symbology, so the use of the traditional Halloween witch during that season doesn't bother me. If anything I would advocate embracing it and owning it, much as Afro-Americans have done with "black memorabilia" such as Mammy figurines and Little Black Sambo dolls. What if mice could talk, and they objected to the electronic computer mouse as being offensive and portraying mice as cold, mechanical tools of someone else's will? Do we abandon a useful device? Despite the richness of our language words have many different meanings, and neopaganism ought to be able to face the fact that the stereotypical Halloween witch predates them. Milo obviously feels very strongly about his beliefs and I have concern for his feelings, although many of his issues appear to me to be rooted more in his own ethical system, and I'm not sure that's religion.

  • Carolyn 02/27/2010 11:42:00 PM

    Thank you for this article. As a witch for over 40 years I understant Mr. Shiff's discomfort. Over the years I have seen so many displays like this and have just turned away with disgust. Perhaps Mr.Shiff's comments will not open eyes but will at last take away the false depiction of witchs as "baby-eaters" and evil people.

  • Phil Gray 02/27/2010 6:39:00 PM

    Look - all I wanted was some bread and milk and maybe a pumpkin - I didn't want to get involved in all this witchcraft stuff. Don't you think life is complicated enough already!

  • Lady Bridget 02/27/2010 6:04:00 PM

    You Go Milo! You are doing the right thing, what is right in your heart and you know it. Please know that you are not alone, and you are paving the way for others who will follow you. I salute you, brother and Priest, and I am humbled by your gentle efforts. Thank you, and Blessed be.

  • Carrie St. Michel 02/27/2010 8:19:00 AM

    Dear Mr. Kornhaber: I just finished reading "Milo the Witch Finds Toil and Trouble at Ralphs." What an interesting and insightful piece. You are not only a gifted writer, but also a skilled reporter. The Weekly is lucky to have you, but I think The New Yorker should snap you up!

  • M.A. 02/27/2010 6:22:00 AM

    Why do we have so much trouble respecting what's important to each other? I can't see that doing so would diminish us. We don't have to agree, or even understand. What exactly are we afraid of?

  • CHS 02/27/2010 6:17:00 AM

    I once saw a guy running a marathon with a big cross on his back. His purpose was to advertise that Jesus died for our sins. Now, I believe that. However, I thought it was a bit offensive in that it demeaned Jesus' sacrifice for us. In other words, "run a marathon with a cross on your back and you'll know how much Jesus suffered." The cross was the least of Jesus' concerns. How'd you like to take on all of that sin? That would be painful!

  • Macha 02/27/2010 5:47:00 AM

    What I meant to type is that we Witches took the term Witch to name ourselves and our religion.

  • Macha 02/27/2010 5:41:00 AM

    What a waste of bureaucratic resources! I was brought up with these stereotypes and I proudly reclaim them. IMO, what you do with these caricatures is reclaim them. See, for instance, http://machanightmare.com/w_word.htm We Witches took or Besom Brigades at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2Pl3TJiQJQ We Witches and Pagans are as diverse as Christians and Moslems.

  • Vicki Caswell 02/27/2010 4:26:00 AM

    Oh give me a break.

  • Krissy 02/27/2010 1:54:00 AM

    regardless of milo's religion or personal beliefs, i feel the root of the issue is lack of understanding and the basic foundation of seeking truth instead of sputtering out judgements, slurs, and overall ignorance to the subject..there are misconceptions about almost EVERY religion in exhistance, and even more people who simply refuse to embrace differences in belief systems, and simply care for eachother no matter what those differences are...if it harms none, which in my opinion, Milo isnt hurting anything, or anyone, just let it be...or better yet, seek out more information on the religions you dont understand so you will feel more compassion for your fellow man..if anything, i hope this will cause some to seek out understanding in place of swift judgement..Blessed Be :)

  • Lyra 02/26/2010 11:51:00 PM

    With respect to Mr. Shiff, not all witches smoke cannabis or refuse to cut meat. These are personal choices, not religious. Secondly, the crone image should be embraced by witches. The crone represents wisdom. Green represents death and rebirth, just as the coloring of Osiris represents the same, and as a Kemetic witch, he should understand that. Black is eternity and death. The broom represents the household. The cauldron, rebirth, wisdom and nourishment. This image is about confronting our own mortality, a thing Americans don't like to contemplate. It's about the cycle of death and rebirth. The alleged witches of the burning time are not related to the witches of today. They didn't smoke cannabis and they weren't vegetarians, at least not by choice. They weren't even witches!Ancient Egyptians practiced magic, not witchcraft. They weren't witches. Shiff's mother probably practiced folk magic, which doesn't mean she was a witch. Has Mr. Shiff been arrested, held against his will, tortured or killed for his beliefs? No, he was confronted with an image he doesn't embrace, because of lack of understanding on his part. He trivializes his religion when he does this. Though Halloween is about being scared and confronting mortality, it's also about having fun. Some witches need to remember that, because they are endanger of becoming prudish Puritans. But it probably isn't a good idea to scare the children of the customers. It's not a religous issue. It's common sense.

  • BACKSTABBINGFCK 02/26/2010 10:54:00 PM

    This is ridiculous. This is so ridiculous, how could he not have seen halloween decorations with whitches being displayed at his store? he knew it was going to happen. Hes just a 40 something loser who planned this out so he could get some money out of it. Whats this world coming too? You cant display halloween decorations because someone thinks the witch is too offensive? This is fucking pathetic. I hope a 5 star general has a military coup and turns this country into a dictatorship and puts pussies like Milo in concentration camps. Then you will all understand what its truly like to be fucked. Milo planned this from the beginning. Every grocery store has witches and halloween decorations on display during the season. Anyone supporting this guy, your all just turning this country into a bunch of whiny pussies that cant deal with anything. If I ever have a breakdown and lose it, I think I found my first victim

  • Heather 02/26/2010 9:17:00 PM

    I LOVE MILO*!* & WE SHARE VERY SIMILAR TEACHINGS OF THE PLANET*!* SAGE!*!* HEALING IS AS ANCIENT AS THE EARTH ITSELF*!* U CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT* IT IS ALL GOOD!*! HI MILO*!* HEATHER DEE PERRY HOLLY WOOD SONGWRITER / ENTERTAINER

  • gericault 02/26/2010 7:31:00 PM

    Pesky Witches.....always causing problems. Casting spells , eating children. Troublesome bunch. I much prefer the elves and fairies.

  • sherry 02/26/2010 5:51:00 PM

    This man has a right to observe any religion he wishes to observe. That doesn't make him nuts nor a person who should be shunned.

  • Crusader 02/26/2010 1:03:00 PM

    I regularly shop at the Ralph's where Milo works. He is quirky to be sure, but so what? We have gotten to the point where anybody that is a little different is shunned. I for one embrace Milo's strangeness. The cookie-cutter sameness of the shoppers in Newport need a little shaking up. We need more Milos in the world.

  • Paul Lister 02/26/2010 11:20:00 AM

    Damn nut job. Let me get this straight, The VP of HR has to travel to the store to inform the whako greeter that the company is hiring a 'cultural specialist'.... Thats almost as believable as this kook saying he told Ralphs about his nutjobbery before he was hired.

  • James Lengacher 02/26/2010 5:21:00 AM

    Three cheers for Milo!, he has the guts to stand up to cruel discrimination from the mis-informed. people need to do their research into witchcraft instead of going by what Hollywood shows! witchcraft is an earth based religion that helps planet Earth.

  • m.e. 02/26/2010 3:58:00 AM

    wtf? This guy seems to be missing a few marbles.. What he needs to do is get another job instead of wasting everybody's time and patience..

 

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