[¡Ask a Mexican!] Do Mexicans Think It Sucks to Be Salvadoran?

Dear Mexican: For most of my life, I was oblivious to the hate that Mexicans have for Salvadorans. I became aware of it when I made the huge mistake of marrying a Salvi. Once I became engaged to my Salvi girlfriend or whenever I would tell any Mexican that I married a Salvi, I was bombarded with so much hate for Salvis! I’d get responses like “Eww, a Salvi,” or “Damn, I feel sorry for you—you married a Salvi!” I’m now divorced and can’t stand anything associated with El Salvador. My question, though, is where does the disgust for Salvis from Mexicans originate?

Former Pupusa Eater

 

Dear Mexican: Growing up, I never noticed the difference between any Hispanic person. Yo pensaba if you spoke Spanish, it meant to me that you were Mexican (I was little, okay?). Of course, as I grew up, I started noticing all different kinds of Latinos but one in particular were Salvis. I don’t know how to explain it, but it’s like this feeling that was always there, but I didn’t know about it. It was dislike and rivalry toward them. I mean, don’t get me wrong: I don’t hate them; I just dislike them. And I wasn’t the only one! I found out that many Mexicans feel this way, as do Salvadorans toward us. So, is this a universal feeling? Am I wrong for feeling this way? Are Mexicans and Salvadorans rivales? If so, por qué?

La Gordis de Guadalajara

Dear Wabs: Historically, the Mexican-Salvadoran rivalry that so many readers correctamente note has a strong basis. Shortly after Central America gained its independence from Spain in 1821, Mexico tried to swallow the region into its burgeoning empire. The fiercest opposition to this annexation? El Salvador. Eventually, republic-minded Mexicans stopped their country’s ambitions and allowed El Salvador and the other Central American provinces to create the United Provinces of Central America. That lasted until 1840, by which time Mexico was too busy dealing with another imperial power to care much about recouping its former holdings. And if you know anything about Mexico, it’s porque we don’t take thefts of our lands lightly.

But that was then—this is ahorita, and there remains no reason for the two countries and its razas to hate each other. Presidents Felipe Calderón and Mauricio Funes met this summer and reached quite a few accords and bilateral agreements. Stateside, wabs and Salvis might compete for the same resources like other recent immigrants, but we’re both wetbacks in the eyes of the gabachos (and in the case of Salvis, to echo the legendary Los Tigres del Norte song, Tres Veces Mojados). Let’s make peace, Salvadorans—our rivalry is pointless, and the fruits of a union much richer. Besides, hatred between nosotros merely blinds us to the menace between our ancestral lands: Guatemala.

Dear Mexican: In Northern California, we have many Latino-themed murals on walls, buildings and storefronts. However, I’m told that in Mexico, such murals are generally on the interiors of the buildings (specifically churches), where only the faithful or other insiders can see them. Is this true? Do Mexican muralists hide their talents away, while those in California are happy to have their work on display for everyone?

Rivera Raver

Dear Gabacho: Not true. Maybe the Catholic Church wants to withhold its artistic treasures like damning pedophile-priest personnel files, but the point of the Mexican mural movement was to create art for the masses and for public consumption—and it remains so today. For more info on perhaps the United States’ best collection of such murals, visit precitaeyes.org.

CORRECTION: A couple of weeks ago, in explaining the discrepancies between English and Spanish in pronouncing the letter X, the Mexican stated St. Francis Xavier founded the Jesuits. The order’s true founder, of course, was Ignatius of Loyola. The Mexican apologizes for his error and blames the United States for stealing half of Mexico.

Ask the Mexican at themexican@askamexican.net or myspace.com/ocwab. Or write to him at: Gustavo Arellano, P.O. Box 1433, Anaheim, CA 92815-1433. Find him on Facebook and Twitter!

 
  • Rodney King 06/27/2011 4:45:00 PM

    Yeah... right.. every Salvadoran house I've been too has a machete on the wall. They also keep talking about that civil war that never seems to end popping up during conversation.

  • Spanish/Salvi-American girl. 05/14/2011 8:20:00 PM

    I'm sorry to say but we are not blood thirsty. It's funny how you blame culture rather than environment when this occurs. When you live in an environment full of conflict, then it's very hard to avoid that type of life. Don't blame culture, this is societies' fault. Also, check your connotation and diction please. The use of the word"bloodthirsty" makes us Salvadoreans sound like a sub-human, a barbaric being and that's insulting. All people are capable of having a short-temper, and the use "bloodthirsty" has a bad connotation. Thank you.

  • KingartieT 02/09/2011 1:46:00 AM

    NeLSON ignorant gRINGO EH.....STAY HATING...I'M NO lATINO BUT, CLOSE. Asian here. I have nothing but, respect for all honest latinos. I believe we have lots to learn from each other but, keep that violence out. Don't bring the gun to the boardroom meeting. D.T.L.A. Peace.

  • Nelson Muntz 10/19/2010 7:39:00 AM

    I didn't read the whole article and I won't, Simply because I'm so lazy, and I want to say that unfortunately I'm salvadorean and latino/hispanic. I don't only feel bad about being a salvadorean but for being latino as well. Really is latinos that sucks! It's embarrassing being latino, FUCK WHY THE FUCK IM A FUCK LATINO! IT REALLY SUCK LATINOS ARE FUCKING IGNORANTS, EXCEPT FOR ME. I CAN SEE HOW LATINO PEOPLE ARE IN A LOW LEVEL......... THIS SUCKS

  • light 09/24/2010 8:10:00 AM

    I am african american and 3 tribe of native american indian, and i have never ever ever hated a hatian in my life, i don't even know why so called african americans are called "AFRICAN" american when they have NEVER been to africa and thier ancestors have been here for over 300 years, my mother is NATIVE AMERICAN, and cuban, and my father is a so called african american. I also know that most puerto ricans hate salvodorians and mexicans and equodorians because they say they make them look bad, i have a ton of puerto rican friend's that tell me this all of the time. They even call them nasty names and put their noses up at them, i always tell my friends that it's stupid to be that way, and they say they don't care, they say the salvodorian's mexican's, equodoran's dress funny with loud colors, they stay drunk and they are dirty perverts and they embarrass the peurto rican's. I tell them it's wrong and they say they are right to hate them. I just don't understand it. It's all stupid, why label a person's ethnicity, and then hate them for it? there's on race and that's the human race. MAY 21 2011 IS THE DAY OF THE RAOTURE AND THE BEGINNING OF JUDGMENTDAY! www.familyradio.com www.ebiblefellowship.com

  • light 09/24/2010 7:36:00 AM

    So let me get this straight, you were going to marry a salvodorian woman, that obviously you loved, but as soon as you ignorant friends and family start their racist name calling and hateful slander's you were not man enough to tell them to shut up? you were'nt man enough to take up for your wife to be? But did'nt you marry her anyway? and you devorced because you were embarrased that she was a salvodorian? you could defend your wife and tell the ignorant friend's and family to shut up about you wife? I also notice you refer to her as a "salvi" you're a racist idiot, she deserves far better than you, you are to lame.

  • ROLAND 02/10/2010 8:19:00 PM

    People are f'n stupid, it's the same rivalry as Puerto Ricans and Dominicans!!! Ecuadorians and Peruvians!!! Northern Irish and Irish!!! Northern Italians and Southern Italians!!! Even, African Americans toward Haitians!!! It's all in the mind!!! It's manufactured consensus!!! What's funny, is that Chiapas, Mexico are geographically in Central America... and add salt to the made-up wound... those in Chiapas speak like Central American from Guatemala, Honduras and EL SALVADOR!!!! Ultimately, the answer to your question is........ IGNORANCE!!! Further, to add wood to the fire!!! I ask you a question.... WHY DO WHITE AMERICANS HATE MEXICANS!!!! IT NEVER REALLY ENDS!!! LOL DON'T BE IGNORANT .... WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT!!!! I'M SURE IT WAS A MEXICAN THAT WROTE THIS QUESTION....... QUE PENDEJO!!!! ASK YOURESELF THE SAME QUESTION..... JUST ASK YOURSELF.. WHY DOES IT SUCK TO BE MEXICAN........ ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF....... INSEGUROS Y CON COMPLEJOS!!!

  • el yaqui 11/22/2009 9:00:00 AM

    I think much of the animosity seen between the Mexican/Salvadorian is baseless trend following. When growing up in Mexico, there was no ill-harboring feelings towards ppl in Central America. Our teachers were too busy telling us about the evil Blue Eyed devils that stole our country. In all honesty, I don't have recollection of people referring to Salvadorians in a wrongful way while there. I believe it's more of a Pocho thing extrapolated by the gringos into some sort of myth (much like donkey shows in TJ and Moctezuma's revenge). If I had to point to a source for such misled beliefs it would be to California based gang culture and Salvadorian-Mexican turf wars. Kind of like the Crips and bloods. Many Mexicans just like blacks tend to sympathize w/the criminal cousin/brother/fathers/sister/friend/friend of a friend/friendly looking mex on tv. Not out of sympathy for their tendencies but because it becomes an US vs Them debate at some point and we are made to choose sides.

  • ray 11/05/2009 5:37:00 AM

    Mr. Mex- I never understand your antogonism with Guates. It has to be a northern mex thing b/c those of us in the South (Oaxaca, Yucatan, Chipas) don't habor such ill will. Perhpas it's because we look more like the Guates than our light-hued gente to the north.

  • Kaonashi 11/04/2009 12:17:00 PM

    "The Mexican apologizes for his error and blames the United States for stealing half of Mexico." That would be a bit of an exaggeration. We're BORROWING it, okay? Just let us wring a bit more water out of it and we'll give it back.

  • Chris 11/03/2009 9:41:00 PM

    PS: We call Salvies cerrotes because salvies call salvies cerrotes. Simple.

  • Chris 11/03/2009 9:39:00 PM

    1. Anectodotal: Growing up in Pico Union AS A MEXICAN, we would fight (Hello, MS). Lots of times salvies would say they were mexican. Why? Probably because they would be demeaned at school and on the street. 2. In college I was at a mixer and was talking to a prestigious alum. He asked me where I was from. I said "LA. Pico Union." He was also from LA and had heard of it. He says "Predominantly hispanic." I say: "used to be lots of Mexicans. Now its mostly Central Americans." He says: "You know...to people like me, you're all Mexican." That was thirteen years ago. Today I say: Whats the difference? We're all Mexicans to then anyway. I'm not going to waste time arguing about a pupusa versus a gordita or which women are the hottest. When I take one home I'm not going to check her pedigree. Unless it's in her panties. Grow up Gente!

  • FBM 10/31/2009 12:56:00 AM

    I think Salvaman has a point, however, it's totally unfair to blame the people for the actions of abusive and corrupt police. I'm sure there are more friends that rivals anyways.

  • urbanleftbehind 10/31/2009 12:25:00 AM

    Salvas killed their indigenous early? Then how did they retain such dark features? You dont see too many "Jaliense" looking Salvadorans. Were their settlers from the darker parts of Spain? Up in the northern reaches of Illinois, the "Hongos" are the big problem see http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bar-tender/2009/10/discrimination-forced-mexican-man-to-quit.html - and now they're getting the Cuban-style communist victim Sympathy Treatment. Damn, the Mexicans should have elected either Lazaro Cardenas or Obrador and then cried "commie". We'd have the red carpet out for us.

  • Salvaman 10/30/2009 10:20:00 PM

    You have some points in this story; however you have completely missed the full details: This is more than ancestral dislike, this is more than soccer wars(El Salvador is only one of a handful of regional teams to have elimated or have help to elimate Mex from a World Cup-1982). Ultimately the dislike comes many other reasons, Salvadorean hate the way Mexico treats them as well as others while in Mexico on their way to the U.S. Mexicans continuosly cry about how bad Americans treat them when they are caught and subsequently deported; but they never mention how bad they treat people from other Latin American countries when they are on Mexican soil. Get it right!

  • Beaner4life 10/30/2009 10:46:00 AM

    Gustavo, I was told you met my cousin at Northwestern university. LOL.

  • El Mero Mero 10/30/2009 6:53:00 AM

    The biggest difference is that Salvadorans massacred their indian tribes early so there are no large groups of indigenous folks. Salvadoran women are by far the hottest in all of Centroamerica. Any honest observer would agree. But Salvadorans are notoriously violent and bloodthirsty. many minor traffic accidents end in fatalities not due to the choque but due to the gunshots following the inevitable argument over who was at fault.

  • FBM 10/30/2009 6:44:00 AM

    I agree with Raul, in the couple of years we lived in the L.A. area we met people from El Salvador which we hold in great regard, I knew about some frictions in my workplace, nothing serious, and never undestood why. The pupusas I like a lot, the chicken sandwich not so much. I think Mexico neglects relationships with Central America, there should be more colaboration in Education, Sports, Travel, trade, they had their share of violence and guerrilla and I don't remember our goverment doing nothing, as usual.

  • Raul 10/30/2009 4:26:00 AM

    The main reason for the rivarly is ignorance, Mexicans want to believe they are better and a lot diffirent than Salvadorans, and vice versa. I always heard Mexicans call a "cerrotes" they would say as a "joke" but I think they said to show dominace. However Salvadorans will never oppresed by no one, and Mexicans dont like the fact we stand up for ourselves. I think in 10 years from with all this intermixing we will see How similar we both are. We both eat beans, tortillas, cheese, we both listen to cumbias, rancheras, some salsa, we look similar. Salvaorans and Mexicans hold same jobs in USa, you know construction, truking, hard labor, and own used car lots. Same religions, Catholisim, Prostestant. Same ethnic background, Mayan-aztec, spanish meztizo mix. We like the same sport football. Also we include hard drinking in our cultures. We both hold "QUincianeras", sing las mananitas, and break pinatas at birthdays, eat patel de 3 leches and drunk at the reception. We need to have more respect for each other, honestly we should act more educated and all get along.

 

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