In light of all these and other facts, Taitz argues that Obama should be forced to release his entire hospital-birthing file, passport information and college records.
The problem is most of the above facts aren’t true.
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For starters, the Pakistan “travel ban” is a complete fabrication based on zero evidence and completely contradicted by State Department records and a 1981 New York Times article. The full transcript from Obama’s grandmother shows that she never said he was born in Kenya—in fact, she repeatedly said he was born in Hawaii. The law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs didn’t exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama’s published COLB says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961. And those “forensic experts” who say Obama’s document is phony? There have only been three of them: Two haven’t published their real names or any verifiable credentials (one went by the moniker “TechDude”), and the other merely said that she can’t make a determination of a document’s authenticity based solely on a JPEG.
Still, the question remains: Where’s the birth certificate? In fact, there’s an electronic billboard in Buena Park, off Interstate 5 near Beach Boulevard, asking that very question. It’s owned by World Net Daily; one of its reporters, Les Kinsolving, brought the issue up at a White House press briefing on May 27. “It’s on the Internet,” Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs chuckled. “I certainly hope by the fourth year of our administration that we’ll have dealt with this burgeoning birth controversy.”
Aside from World Net Daily, more traditional conservative media sources—not to mention politicians—have condemned the birth-certificate question as a waste of time. In January, talk-show host Michael Medved classified Taitz and the other eligibility attorneys as “crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitive, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters.” Taitz sent him a letter demanding a retraction.
Even if Obama’s long-form, original birth certificate were to be made public, though, the questions from Taitz and others wouldn’t stop. Because there’s a second argument: that there’s no way that Obama could fit the definition of a “natural-born citizen.” By turning to Swiss philosophy texts read by the Founding Fathers, citing the infamous Scott v. Sanford Supreme Court decision as precedent (which denied citizenship to former slave Dred Scott and was later overturned) and disqualifying the presidency of Chester A. Arthur, Taitz is able to claim that a baby can only be a natural-born citizen if both parents were American citizens at the time of the baby’s birth. Obama’s Kenyan father was a British subject.
While mainstream news sources such as Politifact and FactCheck.org have tried to debunk the bulk of the eligibility argument, the best place to see all the evidence is at the coterie of “anti-birther” websites that have sprung up. ObamaConspiracy.org, for example, meticulously examines each and every eligibility claim, almost wholly relying on original research and primary documents. NativeBornCitizen.wordpress.com goes through eligibility lawsuits and argues with them, point by point.
It sometimes seems as though the “anti-birther” community is just as obsessed as the people it keeps an eye on. On Politijab.com, there’s an entire forum devoted to Taitz, complete with topics such as “Orly’s Facebook Page” and “How Long Until Orly’s Breakdown?” At YesToDemocracy.com, bloggers provide regular updates on the latest birther activities, with some choice digs at the “nitrous-huffing,” “cavity creep” that is Orly Taitz.
“It’s just fascinating,” says Bob Haggard, a frequent poster on Politijab’s Orly Taitz forum. “She runs around the country doing things that amount to absolutely nothing. She tells her followers that she ‘files’ all sorts of documents, but she never files anything. She drops stuff off.”
Patrick McKinnion of Yes to Democracy puts it a different way: “There’s a certain amount of fascination with unbridled insanity, and that’s what you’re seeing with the birthers: a level of hatred that borders, if not absolutely pole-vaults, into insanity.”
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Orly Taitz owes any fame she has to the Internet, so when her blogs started acting strangely, she got upset. In the first months of 2009, she posted updates about her legal cases on both drorly.blogspot.com and defendourfreedoms.us. But they would become unavailable without notice, and users would face porn pop-ups and warnings that they were entering a site that could damage their computer. Worse, the PayPal account she used to raise donations wouldn’t accept new contributions. Like any law-abiding citizen would, she sent complaints about these “cyber-crimes” to the local police, the FBI and the Supreme Court of the United States.
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Is Obama gets out of line in any way from Israel's objectives, Israel, via their agents, eg Orly Taitz of Tel Aviv, need only expose the birth certificate. The public is already lathered up. The media has only to turn on the water. But all will remain concealed, and Orly Taitz will be held at bey, so long as Obama follows the rule book.
The last thing anyone would ever accuse me of being is a fan of Barack Oabama. However, I think Orly Taitz isn't just a few bricks shy of a load, she a whole load shy of a load!
I'd like to see if President Obama has a legitimate birth certificate. If he does there wouldn't be all this drama. So something's up! And if he was properly vetted this wouldn't be going on either. .Now this Orly is a Russian born native and she seems to be more concerned about honoring our Consitution than an American born citizen. Have we as American's lost our regard to our Constitution that someone born in another country is expressing the concern that was once a 'voice of integrity' for us?
BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS! (Sung to the tune of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic") Mine eyes have not yet seen Obama's birth certificate. It is in the Devil's Vault, Where only God's Right Hand can get. Obama's C. O. L. B. is a Lousy counterfeit. It's truth we're marching for!!!! Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!! Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!! Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!! It's truth we're marching for!!!! We shall fight the Masked Usurper On the beaches, in the hills. We shall fight this Painted Joker On the seas and in the fields. We shall fight to Hell and back And into court and with appeals. It's truth we're marching for!!!! Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!! Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!! Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!! It's truth we're marching for!!!! (Author grants permission to reprint on web or in print and to perform in public)
Now you may have seen a document displayed at FactCheck.org, claiming it is a “certificate”. Birth certificates are, or in 1961 where, the first and original form document used to record a live birth. FactCheck.org, is displaying a “certification”, that contains sparse data which has been transcribed from the original certificate. The “half-truth” is that FactCheck.org, did in fact handle a real and genuine document called a certification, but the other half of the truth is they never saw nor touched a birth certificate. See http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/factcheck-org-correction-2/#comments October 3, 2009 at 7:01 PM MP3: Leo Donofrio on The Liberty Pole with Ken Dunbar 2009-10-02 – is here: http://sovereign-economist.com/ Faster backup link: http://tinyurl.com/yeagdga (The link will expire in 7 days.) 2h:53m, 25MB A pivotal day will be Monday October 5, 2009, in Santa Ana, CA, as Federal Court, Judge David O. Carter, decides to either dismiss KEYES v OBAMA, or proceed on the merits and grant We the People of the USA with discovery. Word of decision expected before 12 Noon PST. MSM is not expected to attend or report, but the blogs will. http://bit.ly/sl8pW Should Judge Carter deny motion to dismiss, expect defense to appeal.
ms tatz should prfe she is a citazen
GET WITH THE PROGRAM PEOPLE!!!!!!!! It does not matter if he was born here or not!!!! His mother was A US CITIZEN!!!!!!! If you want to challenge his citizenship start with her's you damn fools!!!!!!
Its so nice that people are interested in politics. However, Dr Taitz HAS A CASE and what most posters here are trying to ignore is that fact that mr Soetelo is not been forthcoming with his credentials as were the several other candidates. Dear blinded and ignoramus Orange Countians, the process of Certification for Candidacy does not begin or end on the internet! That process began most likely in 2006 before most of you even heard this man Soetelo's name. Dr Taitz has beyond shadow of doubt a case regarding the questionable legitimacy of mr obama. Or else persons such as posters whould not be so sickenly discusting with the quality of commentary. The interest in this fellows potential usurping the white house are high. Most liberals simply are not awake to the fact that this is in fact true. I dont know what a "birther" is but based on the evidence against him and lack of evidence to his favor, it is more likey that Mr obama was hatched out of an egg than being Hawaiian born. The evidence friends is simply not panning out. Birther? What is that? YOu are wrong stating that this is NOT a Constitutional matter - That IS WHAT IT IS. Csars by the way, federalizing GM, Bailouts and printing trillions of dollars to cause inflation ARE NOT CONSTITUTIONAL! Not even close - As a former resident of Hunting Beach California in Orange County - which then in the 1960 and 1970s Conservative - I urge that you all turn down the emotional BS and wake up - Nothing that has occurred from 20 January 2009 from inside the WHite House can stand. It will be nullified and voided. All your crowd has is one vote. Period. Your vote does not nor cannot nullify the Articles of the Constitution PERIOD. This Taitz sit will spread to other states and other states will sooon askefor full investigations on the legitimacy of mr Soetelo as well. One can be emotional but one must also be wise. i see very little wisdom in speaking negatively about a person or persons (RE Dr Taitz or Sarah Palin for that matter) when one does not know them at all. Watch and learn. I sure want to see how this pans out - it can be a historic event toward the resolution of controversy and poor stewardship of our nations standing, stature, economic strength and our nations civic health and its Constitution. This is what America stands upon - not some semi literate sounding one-liners, and hallmark card platitudes and truly extremely horrible decisions by this kid obama. Wakr up your country and its health is at stake and I dont mean oobamacare.
these people from the soviet socialist republic are the same ones causing no end of trouble in isreal, in general they are anti-semites otherwise known as zionist
This woman who was born and raised under Soviet rule then lived in Israel, where everyone works to protect the nation, is accusing Barack Obama of having alterior motives? Has she answered questions about her own previous or current associations? Both Russia and Israel could benefit from a distracted US. What nation's interests does she really represent?
so make Orly prove her citizenship and right to speak for real citizens .. I say she is an ILLEGAL ALIEN and should be deported
Time to luck up the Nut Case and put her back into her padded cell in the Nut House where she belongs. Next thing she will be saying is that she is Jesus Christ and she is here to save the earth. She does look very scary as well but most loony's like her are mentally unbalanced and on the verge of going to the padded cell where she belongs with a straight jacket on-she kind of looks like Jack Nicholson from the movie "The Shining" meaning a complete nutcase.
I think Ms. Taitz should be deported. Go home, freak!
I think Ms. Taitz should be deported. Go home, freak!
So is Dr. Alan Keyes, a black man and client of Dr. Taitz who has been pushing the birth certificate issue, also a racist? Or does labeling people racist who seek the truth about the (half black, half white) Obama suffice in demonizing your straw men only when they are white? If only you people knew how moronic and ridiculous you really are...
God bless Orly! She has my vote! Libs never like a real strong woman. Obama will probably be ousted out of office in 2011 once the drive by media reports the facts. PALIN/TAITZ 2012!
Orly Taitz Melts Down on MSNBC!.. Blames Brownshirts!.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/03/orly-taitz-melts-down-on_n_250441.html
All we want to know is, if there is nothing to hide why not show us the damn long form certificate with the damn doctor's name and hospital. I guess they're working on it, huh? Why is everything such a secret such as his passports, college transcripts, even his IQ? This guy is an empty suit, prepped for years and you left wingers can't even see past his color. SHAME ON YOU!
This whole Orly business is absolutely hilarious! I can't get enough of it. There is a video of Orly disintegrateing on CNBC: http://economic-undertow.blogspot.com/2009/08/world-is-going-insane.html Too much! Of course, Orly is insane, but ... While the girther argument takes center stage, the Wall Street mafias are robbing the country - you - systematically courtesy of their strategic alliance with Obama. The entire girther movement may indeed be a distracting planted red- herring. Unfortunately for the president, this may wind up becoming more serious problem for Obama and his staff. The tension lies at the intersection of public appetite for novelty and the ever increasing appearance of Obama's stonewalling. If the public believes Obama has something to hide here ... particularly after the bond market destroys itself ... he will have to produce his birth cerificatatication ... or whatever. He then has Lyndon Johnson's credibility problem. If he turns over the certificate, he's toast; a knuckler- under to the media wolves. If he cannot come up with a certificate, he's burnt toast. Knowing how incompetent the Obama team has been so far, save for the looting mentioned above, there is nothing that excludes the possibility of this matter snowballing to engulf his presidency. Meet the new America: what is most destructive to the greatest number is the most likely.
Orly's undoubtedly racist and can scarecely be understood. http://www.theperishablepress.com/2009/08/low-budget-look-alikes_04.html
This is just hilarious. If one or both of these nutters (Taitz or Berg) were Obama plants, I'd say hats off to a brilliant strategy to sow division among the enemy. But these wackadoos are clearly the real deal, as evidenced by the fact that if they dropped off the scene, millions of (mostly Southern, mostly Republican) wingnuts would be ready to step in and take their place.
She is on batsh't crazy woman! Her husband needs to take her to get mental treatment before she incites someone to violence!
What you espouse is so ridiculous, not only ridiculous , but embarrassing. I would like to see your citizenship papers and as for your law degree any moron can get it on line with half a brain. Stick to teeth, And tell me how much money have you earned from the insanity that you are trying to continue stirring up in this country. I saw you on the internet with a "donate to". I'm sure you are getting financial support from the "rightest wing" and the Jews of Israel who can not stand that Obama is President? I am a Jew and you are an embarrassment. First of all, you are WRONG. One parent, the mother must be a citizen of the US and then the child born of that mother is a natural citizen by birth. Look up the laws of this country, not Russia. Israel has dual citizenship and you know that. What are you a citizen of? What planet of morons do you come from? Even right wing Republicans know you're full of BS. YOU ARE A JOKE! AND YOU ARE A JOKE TO ALL THOSE WHO DESPISE JEWS because they know they can use you and buy you. Give it up! THIS IS GARBAGE AND EVEN ANN COULTER THE RIGHT WING SLUT OF ALL TIMES WHO HAS SAID THE NASTIEST AND VILEST THINGS ABOUT OBAMA SAYS YOU BIRTHERS ARE COMPLETELY OFF THE WALL. AND YOU ARE!
What you espouse is so ridiculous, not only ridiculous , but embarrassing. I would like to see your citizenship papers and as for your law degree any moron can get it on line with half a brain. Stick to teeth, And tell me how much money have you earned from the insanity that you are trying to continue stirring up in this country. I saw you on the internet with a "donate to". I'm sure you are getting financial support from the "rightest wing" and the Jews of Israel who can not stand that Obama is President? I am a Jew and you are an embarrassment. First of all, you are WRONG. One parent, the mother must be a citizen of the US and then the child born of that mother is a natural citizen by birth. Look up the laws of this country, not Russia. Israel has dual citizenship and you know that. What are you a citizen of? What planet of morons do you come from? Even right wing Republicans know you're full of BS. YOU ARE A JOKE! AND YOU ARE A JOKE TO ALL THOSE WHO DESPISE JEWS because they know they can use you and buy you. Give it up! THIS IS GARBAGE AND EVEN ANN COULTER THE RIGHT WING SLUT OF ALL TIMES WHO HAS SAID THE NASTIEST AND VILEST THINGS ABOUT OBAMA SAYS YOU BIRTHERS ARE COMPLETELY OFF THE WALL. AND YOU ARE!
What you espouse is so ridiculous, not only ridiculous , but embarrassing. I would like to see your citizenship papers and as for your law degree any moron can get it on line with half a brain. Stick to teeth, And tell me how much money have you earned from the insanity that you are trying to continue stirring up in this country. I saw you on the internet with a "donate to". I'm sure you are getting financial support from the "rightest wing" and the Jews of Israel who can not stand that Obama is President? I am a Jew and you are an embarrassment. First of all, you are WRONG. One parent, the mother must be a citizen of the US and then the child born of that mother is a natural citizen by birth. Look up the laws of this country, not Russia. Israel has dual citizenship and you know that. What are you a citizen of? What planet of morons do you come from? Even right wing Republicans know you're full of BS. YOU ARE A JOKE! AND YOU ARE A JOKE TO ALL THOSE WHO DESPISE JEWS because they know they can use you and buy you. Give it up! THIS IS GARBAGE AND EVEN ANN COULTER THE RIGHT WING SLUT OF ALL TIMES WHO HAS SAID THE NASTIEST AND VILEST THINGS ABOUT OBAMA SAYS YOU BIRTHERS ARE COMPLETELY OFF THE WALL. AND YOU ARE!
What you espouse is so ridiculous, not only ridiculous , but embarrassing. I would like to see your citizenship papers and as for your law degree any moron can get it on line with half a brain. Stick to teeth, And tell me how much money have you earned from the insanity that you are trying to continue stirring up in this country. I saw you on the internet with a "donate to". I'm sure you are getting financial support from the "rightest wing" and the Jews of Israel who can not stand that Obama is President? I am a Jew and you are an embarrassment. First of all, you are WRONG. One parent, the mother must be a citizen of the US and then the child born of that mother is a natural citizen by birth. Look up the laws of this country, not Russia. Israel has dual citizenship and you know that. What are you a citizen of? What planet of morons do you come from? Even right wing Republicans know you're full of BS. YOU ARE A JOKE! AND YOU ARE A JOKE TO ALL THOSE WHO DESPISE JEWS because they know they can use you and buy you. Give it up! THIS IS GARBAGE AND EVEN ANN COULTER THE RIGHT WING SLUT OF ALL TIMES WHO HAS SAID THE NASTIEST AND VILEST THINGS ABOUT OBAMA SAYS YOU BIRTHERS ARE COMPLETELY OFF THE WALL. AND YOU ARE!
What you espouse is so ridiculous, not only ridiculous , but embarrassing. I would like to see your citizenship papers and as for your law degree any moron can get it on line with half a brain. Stick to teeth, And tell me how much money have you earned from the insanity that you are trying to continue stirring up in this country. I saw you on the internet with a "donate to". I'm sure you are getting financial support from the "rightest wing" and the Jews of Israel who can not stand that Obama is President? I am a Jew and you are an embarrassment. First of all, you are WRONG. One parent, the mother must be a citizen of the US and then the child born of that mother is a natural citizen by birth. Look up the laws of this country, not Russia. Israel has dual citizenship and you know that. What are you a citizen of? What planet of morons do you come from? Even right wing Republicans know you're full of BS. YOU ARE A JOKE! AND YOU ARE A JOKE TO ALL THOSE WHO DESPISE JEWS because they know they can use you and buy you. Give it up! THIS IS GARBAGE AND EVEN ANN COULTER THE RIGHT WING SLUT OF ALL TIMES WHO HAS SAID THE NASTIEST AND VILEST THINGS ABOUT OBAMA SAYS YOU BIRTHERS ARE COMPLETELY OFF THE WALL. AND YOU ARE!
What you espouse is so ridiculous, not only ridiculous , but embarrassing. I would like to see your citizenship papers and as for your law degree any moron can get it on line with half a brain. Stick to teeth, And tell me how much money have you earned from the insanity that you are trying to continue stirring up in this country. I saw you on the internet with a "donate to". I'm sure you are getting financial support from the "rightest wing" and the Jews of Israel who can not stand that Obama is President? I am a Jew and you are an embarrassment. First of all, you are WRONG. One parent, the mother must be a citizen of the US and then the child born of that mother is a natural citizen by birth. Look up the laws of this country, not Russia. Israel has dual citizenship and you know that. What are you a citizen of? What planet of morons do you come from? Even right wing Republicans know you're full of BS. YOU ARE A JOKE! AND YOU ARE A JOKE TO ALL THOSE WHO DESPISE JEWS because they know they can use you and buy you. Give it up! THIS IS GARBAGE AND EVEN ANN COULTER THE RIGHT WING SLUT OF ALL TIMES WHO HAS SAID THE NASTIEST AND VILEST THINGS ABOUT OBAMA SAYS YOU BIRTHERS ARE COMPLETELY OFF THE WALL. AND YOU ARE!
What you espouse is so ridiculous, not only ridiculous , but embarrassing. I would like to see your citizenship papers and as for your law degree any moron can get it on line with half a brain. Stick to teeth, And tell me how much money have you earned from the insanity that you are trying to continue stirring up in this country. I saw you on the internet with a "donate to". I'm sure you are getting financial support from the "rightest wing" and the Jews of Israel who can not stand that Obama is President? I am a Jew and you are an embarrassment. First of all, you are WRONG. One parent, the mother must be a citizen of the US and then the child born of that mother is a natural citizen by birth. Look up the laws of this country, not Russia. Israel has dual citizenship and you know that. What are you a citizen of? What planet of morons do you come from? Even right wing Republicans know you're full of BS. YOU ARE A JOKE! AND YOU ARE A JOKE TO ALL THOSE WHO DESPISE JEWS because they know they can use you and buy you. Give it up! THIS IS GARBAGE AND EVEN ANN COULTER THE RIGHT WING SLUT OF ALL TIMES WHO HAS SAID THE NASTIEST AND VILEST THINGS ABOUT OBAMA SAYS YOU BIRTHERS ARE COMPLETELY OFF THE WALL. AND YOU ARE!
What you espouse is so ridiculous, not only ridiculous , but embarrassing. I would like to see your citizenship papers and as for your law degree any moron can get it on line with half a brain. Stick to teeth, And tell me how much money have you earned from the insanity that you are trying to continue stirring up in this country. I saw you on the internet with a "donate to". I'm sure you are getting financial support from the "rightest wing" and the Jews of Israel who can not stand that Obama is President? I am a Jew and you are an embarrassment. First of all, you are WRONG. One parent, the mother must be a citizen of the US and then the child born of that mother is a natural citizen by birth. Look up the laws of this country, not Russia. Israel has dual citizenship and you know that. What are you a citizen of? What planet of morons do you come from? Even right wing Republicans know you're full of BS. YOU ARE A JOKE! AND YOU ARE A JOKE TO ALL THOSE WHO DESPISE JEWS because they know they can use you and buy you. Give it up! THIS IS GARBAGE AND EVEN ANN COULTER THE RIGHT WING SLUT OF ALL TIMES WHO HAS SAID THE NASTIEST AND VILEST THINGS ABOUT OBAMA SAYS YOU BIRTHERS ARE COMPLETELY OFF THE WALL. AND YOU ARE!
You are poorly informed on the constitutional issue involved with Obama's eligibility to be President. The primary issue is whether Obama is an Article II "natural born Citizen," not whether he was born in the U.S. When drafting the eligibility requirements for the President, the Founding Fathers distinguished between "Citizen" and "natural born Citizen" in Article II, sec. 1, cl. 5 and in Articles I, III, and IV of the Constitution. Per the Founders, while Senators and Representatives can be just “citizens,” after 1789 the President must be a "natural born Citizen." The Founders wanted to assure that the Office of President and Commander in Chief of the Military, a non-collegial and unique and powerful civil and military position, was free of all foreign influence and that its holder have sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the U.S. The “natural born Citizen” clause was the best way for them to assure this. The distinction between "citizen" and "natural born Citizen" is based on the law of nations which became part of our national common law. According to that law as explained by Vattel in his, The Law of Nations, a "citizen" is simply a member of the civil society. To become a "citizen" is to enter into society as a member thereof. On the other hand, a "natural born Citizen" is a child born in the country of two citizen parents who have already entered into and become members of the society. Vattel also tells us that it is the “natural born Citizen” who will best preserve and perpetuate the society. This definition of the two distinct terms has been adopted by many United States Supreme Court decisions. Neither the 14th Amendment (which covers only "citizens" who are permitted to gain membership in and enter American society by either birth on U.S. soil or by naturalization and being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States), nor Congressional Acts, nor any case law has ever changed the original common law definition of a “natural born Citizen.” Congressional Acts and case law, like the 14th Amendment, have all dealt with the sole question of whether a particular person was going to be allowed to enter into and be a member of American society and thereby be declared a "citizen." Never having been changed, the original constitutional meaning of a "natural born Citizen" prevails today. It is this definition of "natural born Citizen" which gives the Constitutional Republic the best chance of having a President and Commander in Chief of the Military who has sole and absolute allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the United States. By satisfying all conditions of this definition, all other avenues of acquiring other citizenships and allegiances (jus soli or by the soil and jus sanguinis or by descent) are cut off. I call this state of having all other means of acquiring other citizenships or allegiances cut off unity of citizenship which is what the President must have at the time of birth. Obama's father was born in Kenya when it was a British colony. When he came to America, he was probably here on a student visa and he never became a legal resident of the U.S. or an immigrant. He had no attachment to the U.S. other than to study in its prestigious educational institutions which he did for the sole purpose of returning to Kenya and applying his learning there for the best interests of that nation. In fact, when he completed his studies, he did return to Kenya and worked for its government. If Obama was born in Hawaii, at best, he is a U.S. "citizen" under the 14th Amendment and federal statute. But he is not a "natural born Citizen" under the Constitution, for at the time of his birth under the British Nationality Act 1948 his father was a British subject and Obama himself through descent was also a British subject. Obama has himself admitted to the controlling effect of the British Nationality Act 1948 on his birth. Additionally, in 1963, both his father and Obama also became Kenyan citizens when Kenya obtained its independence from Great Britain. Obama was born with multiple allegiances (at birth both U.S., if born in the U.S., and British, and also acquired Kenyan citizenship at age 2). Obama also obtained Indonesian citizenship when he was adopted by his step-father in Indonesia at age 6. The Founders would not have allowed such a person who was not born with sole allegiance, loyalty, and attachment to the United States to be President and most importantly, Commander in Chief of the Military. We the People have too many "natural born Citizens" in our country, the largest group of citizens by far, from whom to pick to risk jeopardizing the best interests of the United States by allowing a person born with conflicting allegiances and loyalties to be President and Commander in Chief of our Military. There simply is no sound reason for risking America’s national security, welfare, and ultimate preservation by allowing a non-"natural born Citizen" to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military. To permit it is a violation of Article II of our Constitution, the supreme law of our land. Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
Tiger? More like a jackass to me.
Orly Taitz??? Correct spelling is H-O-R-N-Y T-A-I-N-T.
Is this woman for real. I saw here do an interview and she is dumber than a bag of rocks. I wish she would go away fast
This lady is psycho. I had the misfortune of experiencing her in her dental office. I didn't leave until after a huge argument with her. She has got to be the most unprofessional dentist in the USA. It's evident she comes straight from the communist times in eastern Europe!
where do you people get so many weirdos? is it bad karma from building a country based on slavery? you finally put a human being in the white house and the nut jobs come out of the wood work. people of the usa, this is the freedom you keep harping about. what you've had since ww2 was not. trust me, i'm a canadian.
She's a lawyer! And a dentist! And a real-estate agent! And now she's a nationwide joke, courtesy of the Daily Show.
Taitz: the gift that keeps on giving. First she files a suit for Maj. Cook, which gets him fired from his job. Then she files a suit for Maj. Cook to get his job back; that suit is dismissed: http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/cook-v-simtech-orly-did-it-again/
"If there was any chance at all that the certificate would end the controversy, he would have already released it." Except it won't end the "controversy": http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2009/01/for-inauguration-day-birther-platonic.html
I have a really simple solution. Present the certificate from Hawaii that states that he was born there. How frigging hard is this? The fact that he has spent upwards of $1,000,000 of his personal money fighting to prevent the release of the relevant paperwork shows me that he knows that the paperwork will either prove he is not eligible to be president, or cast much doubt on it. If there was any chance at all that the certificate would end the controversy, he would have already released it. end of story.
I have always had fond memories of Orange County beaches but not the politics. I vividly remember the John Birch Society calling Eisenhower and his brother "communists" and FDR knowing about Pearl Harbor beforehand. So Orly Taitz follows in the tradition of Caifornia "fruitcakes" attracted to your beautiful county. Congressman Cambell is another strange one. He feels compelled to defend whackjobs like Taitz. What is it about Orange County that attracts such strange people?
FSB/SVR (KGB) mole?
Every time a birther is shown a web link to, or hard copy of Obama's official birth certificate (you know, the one that is recognized by the federal government when applying for a passport), they pull the equivalent of a 9-year old covering his ears and shouting "nyah, nyah, nyah, I can't hear you!" You can lead right wingers to the truth, but you cannot make them embrace it. Each state has its own standard for an official record of birth.
"On top of all that, there’s a recording and transcript of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother telling an interviewer that she was present when Barack Obama was born in Africa." Wrong. Salon: "During the interview, which was conducted through a translator by a street preacher named Ron McRae, Sarah Obama does in fact say she was present. But it's clear that there was a mistranslation, because as soon as McRae very excitedly starts to try to get additional details, the people on the other end of the line realize what's happened and say, over and over again, that Obama was born in the U.S. For some reason, the transcripts of the interview that have been posted on various right-wing Web sites all seem to cut off right after Sarah Obama says she was there when her grandson was born." http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/ Comment by Max from Los Angeles on Jun 19th, 2009, 14:52 pm ``````` 1) It is usually advisable to have a person fluent in the two languages being translated to be the translator for dialogue between 2 people who do not have a common tongue. The 'translator' for the cited "proof of Kenyan birth" is NOT fluent (or even passably competent) in English; he is 'familiar' with grandmother's language/tongue. Major problem there. 2) The 'interview' is conducted via long a distance telephone call between the US and an, arguably, 3rd world country. Not the most reliable medium for clear, precise, transmission of words and phrases. 3) In listening -actually paying attention to- the audio and reading along with the 'transcript' of the audio, it should be noted the US end of the chit-chat with "the grandmother" starts with generalities about her son [Barack Obama Sr], her grandson [Barack Obama Jr], and other pleasantries. Grandmother is answering those pleasantries. ---The Q&A, remember, is being filterd through a 'translator.' There is a time lag between the question asked, the translation, the response, the [reverse] translation, and the relay of the response. There are also two main players with the SAME name: Barack Obama. One is grandmother's son, the other, her grandson.--- *Because* of this delay (combined with the 'translators' difficulty with the languages/tongues involved, as well as BOTH father AND son having the SAME name - one being a "Sr.", the other being "Jr.) particular attention should be paid to the Q&A section that has become the 'red flag' for the birthers. If you pay attention, you can *hear*, literally, the increduality in grandmother's voice when US asks if she "was present at his birth." Of COURSE she was! The "his" [the page grandmother is on...because of the delay in the 'translator' moving from one Obama to the next] is taken *by the grandmother* to be a question about her SON! Of course she was there when he was born; where else would she have been? SHE is talking about Obama Sr - US is talking about Obama Jr. 4) Even if there were no audio and/or transcription of the 'conversation' between these two people (and the 'translator'), showing how poorly the two - Sr and Jr- were differentiated in the dialog [thus totally negating the 'red flag' "proof"], one could *reasonably* expect ANY grandmother to say she was "present at the birth" of a grandchild. In spirit, in love, in hopes for the babe to grow up healthy and well, a grandmother is ALWAYS present at the birth of her grandchild. As is a father. As is a grandfather. *Physical* presence at a birth is ONLY necessary for the *mother* of the babe.
I met Ms. Taitz a few weeks ago when she traveled to Tulsa OK to meet with the Oklahoma Speaker of the House, a representative, the head of the Republican Party, as well as a senator who is now running for governor. She was well informed and the legislators in the room are going to put this up before Oklahoma's judiciary committee. They will file a supoena to get the birth certificate and by doing so will put Hawaii and Oklahoma in conflict since the birth certificate is "sealed in the state of Hawaii", by putting two states into conflict the Supreme Court will be forced to hear this case whether they want to or not. (he he!) Orly, you go girl! We need more investigators of this womans caliber. Perhaps she needs to run for President, she certainly has credentials, however she is not a natural born citizen and admits it!
I often wondered how well France might be "presided over"by a person raised in another country (which has been the case already, French colony) and how it would work, if a complete stranger e.g. from India, took over. Nobody wants ti discuss it wiht me. I live often in foreign countries and appreciate how things are done. In the USAS I often wonder how things needed to be done but were not. Then I found that in France we have the same "system" or rather had, because now the Polish Sarkosy, possible jewish education, is trying to follow up on things that had to be done. Lets see. You can see, that democracy has its weak points when people do not participate in the process.
I often wondered how well France might be "presided over"by a person raised in another country (which has been the case already, French colony) and how it would work, if a complete stranger e.g. from India, took over. Nobody wants ti discuss it wiht me. I live often in foreign countries and appreciate how things are done. In the USAS I often wonder how things needed to be done but were not. Then I found that in France we have the same "system" or rather had, because now the Polish Sarkosy, possible jewish education, is trying to follow up on things that had to be done. Lets see. You can see, that democracy has its weak points when people do not participate in the process.
Whatever you might think of Orly Taitz, she is very effective, smart, and knows what she is doing. It is a shame that the rest of the legal profession, failed to follow in her footsteps, helping her in this important question, regarding the legitimacy of our current President. Ultimately, the real question she is asking in these lawsuits, "Are you legitimate Mr. President?" "And if you are, then please show us, your legitimate birth certificate." Military Officers are under obligation to follow "lawful orders" according to the US Constitution. To do other than that, would be a violation of their responsibilities as military officers. To follow the "orders" of an illegitimate Presidency, would be a dereliction of duty. Leslie R. Pastor
Go Dr. Orly.....We LOVE you to pieces....Why? A trillion million plus reasons. Obama must be very tired of his game by now.... Feeling the heat????? Man is he a turd.... Will he prove us wrong and laugh in our faces as he is laughing at us daily by having another daddy....? What will he pull out of his a-- I really wonder...... If being a Birther is what we are ..... were proud that we have guts and can stand by our truths. Let them eat cake and laugh.....we need some humor.....Thanks ya all! Stand for something or stand for nothing! Where do you stand today? Love ya all!!!!!!!! Fight to win when it means every thing to most of us......Bless the Mess....and pass the ketsup........later
This story is one of the most biased pieces of Obama bullshit that I have ever read. You have distorted the facts to discredit a woman who is making a simple claim; the president may not be a natural born citizen. The dilemma's easy solution, -show the actual long form birth certificate. Hasn't ever been done. Ask yourselves, "why not?" Seriously, why not? Bring on your BS, liberalbots!
It never stops. Whether it be true or not there is always someone that will lie about ANY subject. I find most of them are communists or communist sympathizers pop up immediately after the NEWS breaks.
Where's The Birth Certificate?
Orly Taitz, a cover name, was born in the former USSR and was a KGB sleeper agent and was activated by the FSB approximately 12 years ago to begin working as a point agent for a program that would create social and political rifts within US society. This woman has never proven her claimed US citizenship. Maybe the birfers should be asking her why she hasn't done so. - She has played the US Army MAJ for a chump and you, her fellow travelers, as street sweepers walking behind the long line of elephants in the circus parade. - Taitz is not a US citizen.
California has the best nuts "Orly Taitz". However, Georgia has the biggest idiots "Stefan Cook". Its hard to believe these idiots are getting so much press. However, their websites are raking in the dough. I really think there should be some legislation in which organizations that collect large sums of money be able to explain what they do with the money the donors.
Hawaii most certainly has validated the birth certificate it gave to Obama. State officials including the governor did so publicly. The COLB on Obama's web site cannot possibly be a forgery since Hawaii has vouched for it, and that's the only entity that can issue it. It's game over for these nutters. None of their arguments have legal merit. British citizen? No. Dual citizen? No. Indonesian citizen? No. Gave up his US citizenship? No. Travel to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport? No. It was never illegal for a US citizen to travel to Pakistan on a US passport. Birthers are truly a nut breed unto themselves and we WANT then to keep it up because it scares sane people away from the GOP side.
The paranoia and irrational thinking this woman demonstrates is breathtaking. She needs to acquaint herself with the concept of Occam's razor. Lunatic doesn't begin to describer her behavior.
Another great day for Taitz: Federal judge dismisses reservist's suit: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/292/story/779031.html ...the same suit that got him fired: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=3120
commentary on American society if we can't homegrow our own leaders. Except that we did anyway because it is an even more established fact that Obama spent the majority of his life in this country. Shut up conspiracy theorists and come up with some outlandish story that is actually entertaining, instead of this depressing, dangerous claptrap.
"Go Orly! Nice to watch the lying, cheating, childish liberals squirm. Obama isnt an American and doesnt represent American values or American ideals. The perfect definition of a liberal. Yes, he is a Chicago thug. A whiney tittie baby illegitimate bastard." That's the exact sort of hypocritical tripe I've had to put up with for like the past decade and now it continues, except you try to label liberals as being as vicious and incendiary as you, without acknowledging your own pure hatred. It's really disgusting. On topic: Even if any of this BS were true, I don't even think I'd care. Schwarzenegger is definitely not a natural born citizen, and he commands a state with a rather large segment of the population. Where's the outcry there? Oh, I forgot, he's a republican and supposedly they are the only ones with a lock on patriotism, true americans et al. I recall a certain messianic quality to his election to governor too.. where's his crucifixion by the right wing? Hyp.O.Critical. So, even if any of these allegations had any kind of basis in reality, which they do not and that has been reiterated hundreds or thousands of times, I wouldn't even care, in fact I'd join protests on the Capitol to urge change the Constitution to make it all legal. The only caveat I have is that it would be a sad commentary on the caliber of the American people if we can't produce anyone as remarkable and talented as Obama (and also that he somehow managed to slip through cracks for his entire life leading up to this point). Never bought it. Never will.
Go Orly! Nice to watch the lying, cheating, childish liberals squirm. Obama isnt an American and doesnt represent American values or American ideals. The perfect definition of a liberal. Yes, he is a Chicago thug. A whiney tittie baby illegitimate bastard.
Obviously not a very sympathetic article. It exposes both weakenesses in cases and perpetuates some new falsehoods. Bottom line: but it NEVER explains-- WHERE is the long form birth certificate? Where are the school, travel, work, immigration records? Very, very suspicious. Read this, which is input for Don Frerick's upcoming book- "Obama Time Line" http://colony14.net/id41.html
Orange County NEWS????? You aren't fit to print the news. A JOURNALIST would be investigating and reporting truthful finds, no matter which way it goes. You're a pitiful excuse of a journalist!
Not a good day for those wanting to use non-Constitutional means to get a duly elected President removed. Judge throws out 'Grand Jury' presentments http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/grand-jurys-day-in-court-motion-denied/ --Any self-styled indictment or presentment issued by such a group has no force under the Constitution or laws of the United States.-- And Government files notice of interest in Keyes v Obama (one of Orly's cases based on a ridiculous argument based on an executive order by Bush). The government explains to Orly how to properly serve a summons: http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/2009-07-07-keyes-v-obama-statement-of-interest-filed-by-us/ As the Government points out ----“Indeed, it strains credulity past the breaking point to conclude that an otherwise unidentified mail clerk in the Department of Justice would have been authorized through appointment by Defendant Obama, or by law, to receive service of process on Defendant Obama’s behalf in cases where he was sued only in his private, individual capacity. -----
--Nobody but nobody was more hateful and despicable than the Democrats were even before George Bush was sworn in. Democrats lied that Bush "stole" the election, and Al Gore "really won" it. Huge lie. Malicious lie. But that's all Democrats can do is to lie.-- It's perhaps more appropriate to state that the Supreme Court helped Bush steal the elections. Minor details. However, unlike with President Obama, there was actually a real constitutional issue here.
DailyBirdy the Democrat Kool Aid drinker wrote this: "What!? A white bigot from south OC still sore about losing the election. Nonsense. The right wing waterheads in "south county" have been nothing but gracious LOSERS since Obama took office. Oh wait, I'm totally wrong. People like this only prove the that the vile and terrible slime that inhabit areas like south OC are just as narrow minded and racist as a klan rally. " As his handlers have long done, DailyBirdy practices the most despicable Big Lie of Democrats, playing the race card. Only one current member of congress was ever a Ku Klux Klansman. His name is Robert Byrd, senator from West Virginia. Nobody but nobody was more hateful and despicable than the Democrats were even before George Bush was sworn in. Democrats lied that Bush "stole" the election, and Al Gore "really won" it. Huge lie. Malicious lie. But that's all Democrats can do is to lie.
On behalf of everyone in south FL, let me assure you that you don't have any honest facts(just your made up crap); you obviously don't give a shit about your patients; and finally, you are just another lamo. Why don't you do something productive in your life that benefits many people...and that you aren't lining your pockets with your ill-gotten booty. Please, try to bring people up to a higher place in their lives, not drag down the POTUS. Open your eyes and heart...andclose off that hate-filled soul of yours.
President Obama is a liar and a thief. All you out-of-touch idiots on here need to wake up and realize you have been seriously deceived. You act like this clown is God the way you bown down and worship him, when in fact he is a very dangerous, evil, manipulative puppet for those even MORE dangerous, evil, and manipulative who have sinister motives for YOU and our country as a whole. For those of you who say, "Aw, c'mon, don't you think someone would have investigated this by now!", I'll answer that: NO, I DON'T! Why? Because the people behind Obama all own the media and, just as in his election, have been shut up. Orly is right, this same filtering of the truth by the press happened in Nazi Germany while people sat around clueless! Dear God, help these illogical nitwits to get a brain and USE it, quick! Give 'em HELL, Orly . . . you GO girl!
--So, whats his issue?-- Nothing really, the State of Hawaii is on the record that the short form is the official "Birth Certificate" of Hawaii, that the form shows Obama born on US soil. So what more openness do you need? Why is it so hard for some to accept the facts? Often to the extent that they invent new reasons as to why President Obama may not be eligible. The eligibility issue however was settled by Congress and now that Obama is duly sworn in, he can only be removed via impeachment. Even Quo Warranto is not an appropriate procedure for removing a sitting president because the Constitution clearly outlines that impeachment is the only Constitutional remedy.
--And, I need a long form for little league.-- That seems to go against all that is known about this. Sure, some states only have a long form, but many states have moved to the short form, often as part of turning the BC into purely electronic formats and these documents are as valid as the long form. In fact, the short form contains sufficient information to establish age. Again, the facts speak for themselves and contradict your claims. May I encourage you to further research and support your assertions? I am awaiting your response.
No. You don't need a long form for Little League.
The bottom line is Obama said he was going to govern in an OPEN manner - remember "name names"? And, I need a long form for little league. So, whats his issue?
--btw, I live in New Jersey and just went to the DMV to get my NJ Drivers license renewed. So while I was there I asked two trained employees there what they require to validate a person's birth certificate from another State (like Hawaii). They said they will honor ONLY a document from VITAL STATISTICS or the DEPT OF HEALTH from that State before they will issue a Driver's License in NJ.-- Which is why the COLB is sufficient for such purposes. Have people not heard of the Full Faith and Credit Clause (it's in the Constitution) and which requires States and the Federal Government to accept other states' birth certificates, whether the State delivers a long form copy or a short form COLB. Which is why the US State Department accepts Hawaiian COLB when applying for a passport. I find it hard to believe that people cannot do their own research to figure this out.
James Sundquist - "So while I was there I asked two trained employees there what they require to validate a person's birth certificate from another State (like Hawaii). They said they will honor ONLY a document from VITAL STATISTICS or the DEPT OF HEALTH from that State before they will issue a Driver's License in NJ." Then it's a good thing that the Hawaiian Department of Health has stated they hold Obama's birth certificate and that the COLB shown is the same format that all the certificates they issue follow then, isn't it? Even Department of Hawaiian Homelands accepts the Hawaiian Department of Health COLB. Not to mention US government agencies for little things like passports and the like.....
skornhaber@ocweekly.com I must commend you for giving the other side of the story regarding Obama in your article on Dr. Orly Taitz, unlike the Star Bulletin newspaper censored the ad regarding a legitimate inquiry into Obama and Rachel Maddow and Joan Walsh's MSNBC interview. So I thought you might appreciate my article on Obama and my letter to Maddow and Walsh below. Subject: Obama: Immaculate Deception http://www.voiceoftruthradio.com/james/presidentobama-rick.pdf btw, I live in New Jersey and just went to the DMV to get my NJ Drivers license renewed. So while I was there I asked two trained employees there what they require to validate a person's birth certificate from another State (like Hawaii). They said they will honor ONLY a document from VITAL STATISTICS or the DEPT OF HEALTH from that State before they will issue a Driver's License in NJ. Kindest regards, James Sundquist Director Rock Salt Publishing ***** Dear Ms. Rachel Maddow and Joan Walsh, I saw your MSNBC piece in which you mock "Birthers Movement" re Obama's birth certificate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhuPw5WCO0A If people are as whacked out "nutjobs...unhinged" (Joan Walsh Salon editor) or crazies as Shepherd Smith at Fox, who question Barack Obama because he has not provided a Long Form Birth Certificate, then why am I not also a "crazy" because the State of New Jersey required me and my wife to produce one in order to adopt a child. If I took your advice, there would easily be one more orphan still living in the streets. You have just launched a cruise missile into the very heart of your own credibility. You apparently don't even know the difference between a COLB and a real long form birth certificate. You did not even mention Dr. Orly Taitz (attorney and dentist) who is one of the main crusaders and figures filing lawsuits against Obama. If you really want to interview an expert on the other side of this issue, why don't you interview Dr. Orly Taitz, who does not hold any of the extremist views that you and Ms. Walsh's paint brush. Here is her website: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ Here is her email: dr_taitz@yahoo.com And here is her tel #: 1.949.683.5411 To take your own advice, you also need to be responsible for the views you espouse on national television. MSNBC and THE SALON have so virtually become Obama Propaganda Mouthpieces, I can't help but wonder why MSNBC has not also moved into the White House, like ABC? I am not going to call you names like you and Ms. Walsh did of a number of "birthers" on your TV interview, but am going to tell you both that you are both irresponsible in your journalism. I am certain that Dr. Taitz would respond to your request for an interview...that is if you are really interested in balanced journalism and allowing your viewers to hear the other side of the story! Sincerely, James Sundquist Rock Salt Publishing
skornhaber@ocweekly.com I must commend you for giving the other side of the story regarding Obama in your article on Dr. Orly Taitz, unlike the Star Bulletin newspaper censored the ad regarding a legitimate inquiry into Obama and Rachel Maddow and Joan Walsh's MSNBC interview. So I thought you might appreciate my article on Obama and my letter to Maddow and Walsh below. Subject: Obama: Immaculate Deception http://www.voiceoftruthradio.com/james/presidentobama-rick.pdf btw, I live in New Jersey and just went to the DMV to get my NJ Drivers license renewed. So while I was there I asked two trained employees there what they require to validate a person's birth certificate from another State (like Hawaii). They said they will honor ONLY a document from VITAL STATISTICS or the DEPT OF HEALTH from that State before they will issue a Driver's License in NJ. Kindest regards, James Sundquist Director Rock Salt Publishing ***** Dear Ms. Rachel Maddow and Joan Walsh, I saw your MSNBC piece in which you mock "Birthers Movement" re Obama's birth certificate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhuPw5WCO0A If people are as whacked out "nutjobs...unhinged" (Joan Walsh Salon editor) or crazies as Shepherd Smith at Fox, who question Barack Obama because he has not provided a Long Form Birth Certificate, then why am I not also a "crazy" because the State of New Jersey required me and my wife to produce one in order to adopt a child. If I took your advice, there would easily be one more orphan still living in the streets. You have just launched a cruise missile into the very heart of your own credibility. You apparently don't even know the difference between a COLB and a real long form birth certificate. You did not even mention Dr. Orly Taitz (attorney and dentist) who is one of the main crusaders and figures filing lawsuits against Obama. If you really want to interview an expert on the other side of this issue, why don't you interview Dr. Orly Taitz, who does not hold any of the extremist views that you and Ms. Walsh's paint brush. Here is her website: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ Here is her email: dr_taitz@yahoo.com And here is her tel #: 1.949.683.5411 To take your own advice, you also need to be responsible for the views you espouse on national television. MSNBC and THE SALON have so virtually become Obama Propaganda Mouthpieces, I can't help but wonder why MSNBC has not also moved into the White House, like ABC? I am not going to call you names like you and Ms. Walsh did of a number of "birthers" on your TV interview, but am going to tell you both that you are both irresponsible in your journalism. I am certain that Dr. Taitz would respond to your request for an interview...that is if you are really interested in balanced journalism and allowing your viewers to hear the other side of the story! Sincerely, James Sundquist Rock Salt Publishing
How this woman received a degree in Dentistry at a college in Israel (who has no record of her ever attending a single class) at the SAME TIME she claims to have been escaping the great Bolshevik terror, the USSR, is beyond me and the laws of physics. Nor is there any record of her ever having immigrated into the USA. Strange considering the records for the year she claims to have done so are available to the public. Miss Orly Taitz is a fraud and a liar, as evidenced by the many malpractice suits filed against her.
Those eyelashes say it all.
Seems I was wrong about these new developments. It was just announced that some had come up with a new 'legal theory' which supposedly provides people who are being court martialed the opportunity to question the eligibility of the President. I am curious how successful such an approach will be, especially given the nature of military courts and their proceedings. Somehow the news, which was rumored to be of earth shattering, landscape changing nature, was received more as a fizzle. Personally, I am rather disappointed. I had hoped that for once, there would be something of substance.
--Now she's hosting comments claiming that Obama is a German sleeper agent, and darkly hinting that both his mother and grandmother may still be alive.-- Her legal arguments are not much different... She obviously is unable to properly effect service on defendants. July 13th, pop corn day.
Now she's hosting comments claiming that Obama is a German sleeper agent, and darkly hinting that both his mother and grandmother may still be alive.
She also states in the comments section that she wants to help Cheney with his legal woes. Taitz is really getting off on the attention. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=2522#comments
Don't look now, but some of the glue-huffing Barney Fifes in the "Citizens Grand Jury" movement have announced that they will reveal damning new evidence on July 29 that will force Obama to resign before July 4. Of course, they also believe that a "Citizens Grand Jury" somehow wields more legal authority than a Tupperware Party or a High School Car-Wash, so I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over this. This is just another replay of the "Whitey Tapes" and "Port-of-Entry Logs" hornswoggles. These folks love nothing more than to milk the suspense right up till the moment the joke cigar they're smoking explodes.
Oh my, that was a fun read. Birfers are the most ridiculous and saddest of the anti-Obama whiners. Leading conservatives...from Limbaugh to Medved to to Malkin...condemn them=. Hell, half of the the FreeRepublic...a bastion of fringe conservatism and bigotry...tells the birfers off whenever they fire up a new thread.
--IDIOT Lets check how she got into this country..........Lets send her back to her own country she not wanted here ....-- And that makes us better than those who want to have a sitting President removed from office how?
IDIOT Lets check how she got into this country..........Lets send her back to her own country she not wanted here ....
As a resident, born and raised in Hawaii, I can only laugh at these loons like "Orly" (Im so tempted to Photoshop the "orly" owl on her pic) think they can tell those of us, BORN IN HAWAII that our COLB isn't real. Give me a break. 1) My parents lost my original Birth Certificate (the long form) when we moved from an apartment to the home that I lived in for 30 years. So, in order to get my Drivers License and apply for a passport, i had to get a Duplicate of my Certificate. guess what? the SHORT FORM is the only thing they give out, and they've been giving that out for the last 20 years, even before going to all digital (it was a manually typed of form that you had to wait for). Hawaii has never given out a copy of the actual long form, in all the time I've been alive. Barack's mother could have lost his certificate, simply due to ALL the moving he had done. going to Indonesia, then moving back to Hawaii to live with his grandparents; in all of that the Long form could have been lost. So, having him produce a copy of his long form would probably be fruitless, as the ONLY entity that has it, is the STATE of Hawaii 2) MY COLB Short form looks EXACTLY like the one that he had posted to his website; including the raised seal and signature. So is Orly implying that I wasn't born in Hawaii since i also have this "faked/forged" form as well? My COLB doesn't list my hospital of birth. So does that mean I wasn't born? These birthers are lunatics and should be watched closely. Even in her own words, ORLY advocates violence. And many of these birthers have ties to NeoNazi type organizations and online websites, many who are against the "joos"; they also tend to believe in all types of conspiracy nonsense, like the existence of the NWO, UFO's, Bigfoot, JFK Assassination/Lincoln Assassination, and 911 Truth. Everything that Orly has stated are complete fabrications and lies. And this from a true born in HAWAII citizen of the US. BTW, I didn't vote for Obama
Just a quick question for the birthers: If President Obama were truly not eligible to be POTUS, don't you think that Hillary Clinton would have discovered that long ago? Like how about early in the primary process in 2008?
Great article, great comments. Funny names for Orly, like "crazy" and "loon." I took one look at her and said "cougar."
@Factchecker I suspect Swensson's "new" documents are just rehashes of the same ole same ole. A "new" "presentment" by the "super" "citizen's grand jury"; the "Lone Star presentement" that was "filed" in two Texas courthouses; etc.
And then there is HRS 338.016 --§338-16 Procedure concerning late and altered birth certificates. (a) Birth certificates registered one year or more after the date of birth, and certificates which have been altered after being filed with the department of health, shall contain the date of the late filing and the date of the alteration and be marked distinctly “late” or “altered”.-- Since the COLB does not contain any dates that suggest a late filing or alteration nor the markings of late or altered, it seems that the comments are speculative at best.
In addition to the COLB showing that it was filed 4 days after Obama's birth, ending any conspiracy about late filings, the document also shows Obama born in Honolulu, ending any speculation about foreign born status. Even if foreign born citizens of Hawaii were to file for a Hawaiian birth certificate, the city of birth would not show Honolulu as the place of birth. Hope this clarifies.
--While Taitz sounds like a bit of work, Spencer Kornhaber is misleading about this issue. At the start of Page 3, he lists things that he thinks aren't true. What he fails to understand is that the HI law was clearly intended to be retroactive; when it was passed doesn't matter. That law refers to those born in the "territory" of HI, and the territory of HI ceased to exist in 1959.-- That's a confusion of how the term territory of Hawaii is still being used to describe the State of Hawaii. Probably because some laws passed before 1959 similarly do so. To suggest that the law was passed 'retroactively' is interesting but no evidence is presented. In fact, it does not matter, since the COLB was filed 4 days after President Obama's birth. It's a good story with no supporting facts. I have found that at the foundation of the many rumors lie few facts and much speculation and unfamiliarity with law, history etc.
I have no problem with people 'marching on DC' and dropping of their concerns, or knitting work with the guards at the entrance of the Whitehouse. There of course are always concerns about escalation of such events. I am sure many realize that knitting needles are of great concern to the diligent guards of the Whitehouse, as are dropped stitches. The organizers of the event have apparently released the following statement: --It has come to our attention that some of you are worried that the trip to Washington on the 29th could turn violent. Let me state, emphatically, this is not true. Further, if you do decide to be a part of this you MUST agree to be NON-VIOLENT! We will NOT be doing a Citizens arrest as some have suggested. We will Not be inciting violence. We WILL file our Presentments and our new documents. If we get wind of any other intentions we reserve the right to reschedule but we are going! Carl Swensson Mack Ellis --- I personally am quite interested in these 'new documents'. My guess are that they represent the long awaited and previously announced 'Kenyan birth records'. Does anyone have a better insight into these matters?
While Taitz sounds like a bit of work, Spencer Kornhaber is misleading about this issue. At the start of Page 3, he lists things that he thinks aren't true. What he fails to understand is that the HI law was clearly intended to be retroactive; when it was passed doesn't matter. That law refers to those born in the "territory" of HI, and the territory of HI ceased to exist in 1959. In other words, the law was intended to be retroactive. If Spencer Kornhaber can't get that right, should you trust his judgment? For my real, completely fact-based reporting on this issue, see: 24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship Everything on that page is factually correct, no speculation involved. At the end of the summary there's a challenge for people like Spencer Kornhaber involving simply picking up the phone and asking HI some questions. None of the "anti-birthers" have had the guts to take up the challenge.
--I love the fact that those people who accuse Obama of being a “foreigner” or a Muslim, conveniently forget that Congress quietly passed special legislation allowing John McCain to run for the Presidency since he wasn’t born in the US.-- I believe that this is incorrect. Senate passed a non binding resolution. That's all
June 22, 2009 the Supreme Court of the US released the following order: 08-9797 SCHNELLER, JAMES D. V. CORTES, SEC. OF PA, ET AL. The motions of petitioners for leave to proceed in forma pauperis are denied, and the petitions for writs of certiorari are dismissed. See Rule 39.8. As the petitioners have repeatedly abused this Court's process, the Clerk is directed not to accept any further petitions in noncriminal matters from petitioners unless the docketing fees required by Rule 38(a) are paid and the petitions are submitted in compliance with Rule 33.1. See Martin v. District of Columbia Court of Appeals, 506 U.S. 1 (1992) (per curiam). Justice Stevens dissents. See id., at 4, and cases cited therein
I love the fact that those people who accuse Obama of being a “foreigner” or a Muslim, conveniently forget that Congress quietly passed special legislation allowing John McCain to run for the Presidency since he wasn’t born in the US. Since McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which is technically not part of the United States, Congress had to pass this legislation to make it “legal” for him to become President, if he had won. Funny how many people don’t care, or even know about this, since it’s “obvious” that McCain is a “real” American anyway, regardless of where he was born… meaning a white male from a wealthy and prominent family. But if you don’t believe me, check it out… http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/citizen_mccain.html Interestingly, other former Presidential candidates and even 1 President were born outside of the US. Lowell Weicker, US Senator from Connecticut, was born in Paris, France. Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney, Governor of Michigan was, born in Mexico, and ran for the presidency in 1968. Barry Goldwater was born in the Arizona territory in 1909, before it became a state. And even President Chester Arthur, although his parents’ residence was in Vermont, was reported to have been born within the borders of Canada.
levotb: If Orly's the one who gets a case to discovery or if it's Phil Berg, it doesn't matter to me. What if neither gets to discovery. After all neither one seems to be getting any closer to discovery... While there may be some hope that in appeal, the courts will reject the lower court's findings, it seems unlikely that any of these lawsuits will overcome the standing issue and the judiciability issue. 40+ court cases so far have been dismissed and none seem to have much chance to get to discovery. What now?
In related news Ed Hale announced in october 2008 that ---- Message: I guess the time has come to set the story about Obama Kenya Birth Certificate. I hosted Phil Berg on our No Obama Talk show on August 21, 2008. We then had Phil back on August 28, 2008. At that time I was contacted by one of the HCSFJM member by phone who told me that they were a importer/exporter and they had connection in Kenya. I talked to this person and also talk to Phil about it. We then discussed a plan on how to get the BC to the USA. We knew that Obama would do anything to stop this. We decide that Caren and I would be the decoy. We would announce that this BC would be shipped to Carens work place. Actually the BC was never coming to us. Our member was able to find the BC and it cost $1000.00 to get. There was 3 copies of the BC sent to the USA via 3 different carries to 3 different people. ---- http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=974091 Popcorn time...
Rumors are that the 'new information' is a 'birth certificate' for Barack Obama from Kenya. An interesting way to force President Obama's hand to show once again his COLB. So who or what to believe? The official US document which shows President Obama born in the US or a supposedly official Kenyan birth document? What is even more unbelievable is that copies of Obama's Kenyan BC have been available since september 2008. If that's the case then an incredible opportunity was missed to create a controversy well before the elections. Similar rumors exist that suggested that creating a Kenyan birth certificate surely could cause problems for Obama. In related news, Obama's mother is rumored to be still alive, living in Australia. Let's all get our popcorn out and watch the unfolding of the next episode of this soap. The timing is hilarious given a recent rumor that Obama was born on US soil, in an Embassy in Kenya. But not just in an embassy but a manger... I kid you not... ******** "Unidentified sources inside the White House are quietly revealing, what has just been a rumor up until this time, that Obama may have indeed been born in Kenya. It is believed that these revelations are coming now, as a result of the ongoing effort by some groups to get the original copy of his birth certificate made public. At this moment the complete details are sketchy, but some details are emerging. It now appears that Ann Dunham (Mrs Barack Hussein Obama, Sr) had returned to Kenya with her husband of only 6 month in mid-July of 1961 to meet members of his Kenyan family. It is thought that while on this visit Ann Dunham learned of Obama seniors earlier marriage to a woman named Kezia in 1954 and that the two were the parents of four children. According to White House sources Ann, distraught and shaken leaves the senior Obama and goes to the nearby capital city of Nairobi and fearing for her life at that time seeks refuse at the American Embassy there. At first the embassy officials were somewhat reluctant to admit the young wife, but upon hearing her story of the death threats leveled at her by the family of Kezia, Barack seniors true wife they decide to give the young obviously pregnant girl asylum in the embassy. According to recently released embassy records the embassy was over-flowing with American nationals at that particular time due to a sharp spike in black nationalist activities directed at whites in the country. Because of over-crowding in the embassy proper, Ann was given shelter in a small shed in the rear of the embassy, a shed formerly reserved for livestock. The livestock had been removed several months before. It was in this former stable, that Ann unexpectedly gives birth to Barack Hussein Obama II, the current President of the United States. The anonymous sources at the White House are quick to point out two things: first, President Obama was born on American soil (U.S. Embassy grounds are considered under international agreements to be part of the United States); second, the ONE was born in a stable (the source was quick to emphasize this fact) for what reason we are not sure! Finally the issue is settled, Obama was born on American soil with his humble beginnings in a stable—the message here well I’ll leave that to you! *****
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--In addition, we will be filing recently secured papers that are SURE to give those who seek the truth new hope that the USURPER can finally be exposed. Sorry OBOTS, We know the truth hurts!!!!-- We have heard this for the last year now. Any time soon we will present new materials which will show that Obama is not natural born. For that you will have to show that Obama was not born in the United States. So let's see to whom the truth will be hurting. So far the truth has been on the side of the OBOTS consistently with 40+ legal failures and still no evidence that President Obama was not born in Honolulu, just as his COLB (now the official Hawaiian birth certificate) indicates.
--Why was their an eligibility hearing of John McCain and not Obama? I voted for Obama but I would like to see the documents. It is a very simple request and we are a free and open society. What's so hard about that.-- Because there was a real concern about the eligibility of McCain due to his foreign born status. There was not really much of a hearing but rather a non binding resolution. As far as Obama was concerned, given his US born status, there was not really any concern here that required a non binding resolution.
--We've had enough! I Carl Swensson and Mack Ellis will be in Washington, D.C., June 29th, in the year of our Lord 2009. We're going to hand deliver ALL of OUR Presentments to the usurper Barry Soetoro, Eric Holder, SCOTUS and whomever else we can find.-- Good luck, perhaps you do better than Orly in serving President Obama. My predictions are that you will fail to achieve much of anything. Not to mention that your 'presentments' have no legal value. It's like a knitting circle presenting their handiwork to our President. Endearing, touching but in the end, it's has no official relevance. Cute though... Say hi to President Barack if you get to meet with him.
-- Are you not interested in Obama's birth certificate because you have seen it--it's not the document posted on the net-- The COLB, found on various web sites has been validated by the Department of Health of Hawaii to be a valid birth certificate. --Doesn't it concern you that we know almost nothing about Obama's past?-- I know enough and believe that the past is far less important than the vision and the future. Seems that a majority of US voters in 2008 saw him as well as the best candidate. Does it matter that he does not live up to your expectations of what he should make available? Not really. You can decide to vote for or against him. None of this has any impact on the eligibility status of President Obama.
We've had enough! I Carl Swensson and Mack Ellis will be in Washington, D.C., June 29th, in the year of our Lord 2009. We're going to hand deliver ALL of OUR Presentments to the usurper Barry Soetoro, Eric Holder, SCOTUS and whomever else we can find. In addition, we will be filing recently secured papers that are SURE to give those who seek the truth new hope that the USURPER can finally be exposed. Sorry OBOTS, We know the truth hurts!!!! You guys can talk and blog all you want, the time for ACTION is NOW. You can stay home and watch or YOU CAN join us, it doesn't MATTER. This is now 5 months into a Constitutional Crisis of Biblical proportions and only a select few seem to have any balls at all. So be it. Don't whine and cry when you realize the Elite have destroyed all that's near and dear to your hearts, especially not to us or Commander Walter Fitzpatrick. Come hell or high water we will be heard.
Let's make a deal. If Homosexuals really want gay marriage in California, they will assist Republican Conservatives in forcing Barack Obama to present his original birth certificate to the public (must be verified as actual by independent source) and we will in turn stay home and not vote against gay marriage the next election it is on the ballot. Here is your chance to grab the gold ring, we just want to prove Obama is a fake.
Hiya Pat! I used to do research for Orly before she threw me under the bus for no apparent reason. I should probably hate her, but I don't. Most birthers could give a hoot as to which citizen or which anti-Obama lawyer forces the eligibility issue out into the open where the country can see it. At present, the one doing that most successfully (assuming Schneller's case isn't going anywhere which we find out about tomorrow morning, 6/22/09 and assuming Hamblin's case doesn't result in the AZ election results being overturned) is Joe Farah of WND thru his outstanding Billboard campaign. As a result of its popularity, other billboard campaigns to get the eligibility issue out in public are likely to occur. The shadow of lies and deception and of the $1 million paid by Obama to keep his past from the People will undoubtedly come back to bite him. If Orly's the one who gets a case to discovery or if it's Phil Berg, it doesn't matter to me. What one or even thousands of people think of Orly Taitz as a person doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is "the truth about Barak Obama" be exposed. It matters not "who" the Messenger is that exposes it.
Are you not interested in Obama's birth certificate because you have seen it--it's not the document posted on the net--or that you think it isn't important enough to make a fuss about? Doesn't it concern you that we know almost nothing about Obama's past?
Why was their an eligibility hearing of John McCain and not Obama? I voted for Obama but I would like to see the documents. It is a very simple request and we are a free and open society. What's so hard about that.
--Many of you are so quick to discount without doing research. Stop bashing the messenger and read the message.-- Any particular messages you would like to explore? I am curious as to what you consider to be a valid message. I have found nothing much so far.
Many of you are so quick to discount without doing research. Stop bashing the messenger and read the message.
To really debate this issue you have to get rid of all the fluff and hoopla that will inevitably circle around controversies involving the POTUS. Here are a few sideline issues that should just be put aside: -- Attention seeking and eccentric "lawyers" -- Forgery "experts" and conspiracy theories about forgeries -- Conspiracies, period -- Barely audible recordings of telephone conversations masquerading as witness testimony, for either side. -- The citizenship of one of his parents. The public is not going to care about that technicality as long as he himself was born in the US. For me what this boils down to is this. If Obama was born overseas, could his mother, on arrival in Hawaii with the child, have obtained a birth certificate that would have resulted in the the Hawaiian system spitting out out that contemporary printout we have all seen. If the answer is yes, then no matter how wacky the Birthers are, they have a point - the printout is moot because it doesn't prove he was born in the US. If the answer is no, as interesting as it would be to see Obama's long form hospital record, the content of that record is moot - he must have been born in Hawaii. So surely there is someone out there who can clarify what Hawaiian law would have allowed Mrs Obama to file in 1961 if she (a) gave birth in Hawaii or (b) gave birth overseas - and how that affects what gets printed on a contemporary printout.
--2. What part of "unrefuted prima facie evidence" is unclear to you? There's NO competent evidence to suggest that the COLB is fake. And, as mentioned by others, the challengers (not Obama) would have the initial burden of proving falsity.-- You are correct, furthermore there is compelling evidence that the COLB is indeed correct in claiming him born on US soil. After all, we have the COLB itself, the statements by the Hawaiian Department of Health, the two birth announcements etc. There is NO evidence that Obama was born outside the United States although their are many 'rumors' founded on incorrect 'evidence'. It is thus not surprising that many 'birthers' have moved to a new 'argument' namely that NBC requires one to be born to two us citizens. That history is not on their side here seems of little concern to them.
@joeop 1. The question is: Can YOU cite the law in effect in 1961? YOU are the one who is trying to assert that a law passed in 1911 (prior to Hawaii's statehood) was in effect 50 years later, and it is fairly clear from here you have *no idea* what the law actually was in 1961. And there's NO competent evidence suggesting that any document fraud occurred here; your rank speculation and asking "what if?" is evidence of nothing. 2. What part of "unrefuted prima facie evidence" is unclear to you? There's NO competent evidence to suggest that the COLB is fake. And, as mentioned by others, the challengers (not Obama) would have the initial burden of proving falsity. 3. Obama posted a copy of a valid, legal document bearing the appropriate seal and signature. As Obama did NOT provide handwritten unsigned statement (and there's no evidence that Hawaiian law would accept such a statement), your hypothetical is about as relevant as asking, "If the moon was made of cheese, what wine would you pair it with?" And your "concern" about a lack of national uniformity is already addressed by the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the U.S. Constitution (and accompanying federal law).
I think it is time for the community to look into the fact that Orly Taitz should be committed. I believe she is certifiably nuts. Too bad for her children to witness their mother "chasing windmills". This constitutes "child abuse" in my estimation. And maybe spousal abuse, as well!
You are a fucking wack job! You're a communisitc war mongering self righteous Fuckhead Nut job! Obama is the president GET OVER IT!!!!
Ok, look, I admire your perseverance lady. It is really quite impressive. However, even if what you say is true, that Obama is not a citizen of the USA, it doesn't matter. Perhaps it would not be legal, but I do not see how in any way it would alter his ability to govern the country. Besides, he is the President now. I am quite sure that gives him citizenship. Please find a new, more fruitful, hobby to occupy your time.
Taitz makes a fuss that Supreme Court Justices Roberts and Scalia don't answer her ambush questions about how or why the Justices' Conferences refused her (or other) "birfer" petitions. The simple fact is that the Justices' Conferences are EXTREMELY confidential. More than a century ago the Justices chose to exclude even the court's pages and clerks from the room. Any sort of gossip about such conferences would be extremely wrong. The very few anecdotes told about such meetings have been kept under wraps until all the participants were off the Court. Taitz's efforts to extract this confidential information from the Justices may even rise to a serious breach of professional ethics.
thats fucken bitch, doesn't has time to spend her time on silly things, hey granny get a dildo and put into your ass and let Mr. President do his work
cannot stop laughing at this crazy women. Why don't these people start petition for constitution amendment requiring president to be naturally blond with blue eyes. That would be more honest.
cannot stop laughing on this crazy women. Why don't these people start petition for constitution amendment requiring president to be naturally blond with blue eyes. That would be more honest.
@joeop- Your incessant demands for what burden of proof should be met by the respondent in a controversy shows a deep-seated ignorance of proper evidentiary weight and on whom the burden of proof lies. The plaintiff has to meet the burden of proof, not the respondent. When the suit is to deny someone an inborn right-that of a natural-born US Citizen to run for President-one would think that the burden of proof would necessarily be high. Birthers have consistently failed to meet even a minimal burden of proof to show that Barack Obama was indeed born outside of the United States. I know that it's scary for some people that someone with a weird name was born in the United States, but I assure you that weirder names are given to other babies in the United States every day.
Wow, I could put up the the general rambling... but the last few paragraphs, come on. She is majorly paranoid and off-kilter. If we were to believe every internet troll we'd all have been brutalized and murdered many times over by now. With that paranoia streak, in the end she comes off as batshit crazy.
May I suggest that people refrain from making ad hominem comments? Not only does it undermine any argument one may have, it often serves to strengthen the other side's argument, or at least people's perception thereof. Let the facts speak for themselves.
Crazy people are crazy. This woman is crazy. Anyone pushing the birfer line has to be motivated by something much stronger than partisan politics. I can think of racism, and general religious paranoia, but not much else. Oh, wait, mental illness.
Just for the doubters *** Hawaiian State Department of Health spokesperson Janice Okubo has announced that that “the “Certification of Live Birth” is now the official birth certificate of Hawaii. Long forms are no longer available”. Hawaii has been on the forefront of converting its antiquated system to an electronic system. The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.***
Orly, grow up you ignorant hag.
This is some of the funniest stuff I've read in a long time. There's nothing as entertaining as two batsh_t insane warring camps duking it out in public. It's almost like having two people who claim to be UFO abductees fighting it out on the set of Jerry Springer to decide who had the most anal probes and tooth implants. These people are a riot.
**obama can put all this talk to rest by simply showing the birth certificate, which he has yet to do.** He has in fact provided his Certification of Live Birth which is the official Hawaiian Birth Certificate. I have to reject your claim
obama can put all this talk to rest by simply showing the birth certificate, which he has yet to do.
I can respect people who disagree with me on political issues. I can respect people who disagree with me on matters of religion and philosophy. I can respect people who disagree with me about art, entertainment, literature and music. But this nonsensical claim that Obama is not a citizen is a symptom of mental illness and anyone who buys it is either an idiot or insane and in need of medical attention. Hawaii was a state when Obama was born. The Honolulu newspapers carried his birth announcement. The governor of Hawaii (who is a Republican and not an Obama supporter) has confirmed the validity of his birth certificate. Hawaii has published the Certificate of Live Birth, which is that state's publicly available version of the private Birth Certificate. Anyone who still doesn't believe that Obama is a US citizen is simply delusional and should seek psychiatric care. There are many reasons to disagree with and/or disapprove of Obama's policies and actions, some good, some bad. As citizens, we are all free to hold and voice our opinions of our elected officials. There is no need to dispute his legitimacy on the basis of some quite obviously stupid claim like this. Doing so only serves to discredit any legitimate concerns about the administration by association with quite obvious irrationality. If you want the Republican party to dissolve into a collection of mentally unwell, tin-foil hat wearing lunatics, go ahead and continue to focus on birth certificates, mustard, teleprompters, Michelle's sleeves and other irrelevancies. The American public will simply laugh at you. If instead, we want a strong, useful and productive opposition party that is smart enough, strong enough and influential enough to keep the Democrats in check, we're going to need to concentrate on ideas that are not insane and stupid. Your mileage may vary, but that's my two cents.
**In any event, what is any candidate's burden of proof that he meets Article II's natural born citizenship requirement to be president - by a preponderance of the evidence, by clear and convincing evidence, or by beyond a reasonable doubt? Obama's Internet posting of his Ceritification of Live Birth does not satisfy any of these burdens of proof.** True, the internet postings do not meet the burdens of proof but the COLB which was the foundation of these postings IS valid proof. In fact, as a copy of an official document, it is sufficient to be having a raised seal and the signature, both of which are present on the COLB Obama's campaign provided. Of course, the real problem is that there is no law requiring the President to provide proof by any standard of his eligibility. Per the 20th Amendment it is Congress who elects the president or if they fail to qualify him, elect a (temporary) replacement.
There appear to be some confusions as to the rules of evidence regarding birth certificates. Luckily there are Federal Rules which guide these matters. Rule 902: Extrinsic evidence of authenticity as a condition precedent to admissibility is not required with respect to the following: (1) Domestic public documents under seal. - A document bearing a seal purporting to be that of the United States, or of any State, district, Commonwealth, territory, or insular possession thereof, or the Panama Canal Zone, or the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, or of a political subdivision, department, officer, or agency thereof, and a signature purporting to be an attestation or execution. (2) Domestic public documents not under seal. - A document purporting to bear the signature in an official capacity of an officer or employee of any entity included in paragraph (1) hereof, having no seal, if a public officer having a seal and having official duties in the district or political subdivision of the officer or employee certifies under seal that the signer has the official capacity and that the signature is genuine. --- When doubts arise it is sufficient to have a statement by an official who has seen the evidence that the copy is a valid and correct version of the original. Assuming that the original still exists. Familiarity with the actual rules would save us from embarrassing misstatements. Since these rules are readily available on the Internet, I wonder what causes people's reluctance to 'check the facts'? There is of course rule 1003 which states A duplicate is admissible to the same extent as an original unless (1) a genuine question is raised as to the authenticity of the original or (2) in the circumstances it would be unfair to admit the duplicate in lieu of the original. Of course, the question needs to be genuine. Which is where rule 1005 comes into play The contents of an official record or public document recorded or filed, including data compilations in any form, if otherwise admissible, may be proved by copy, certified as correct in accordance with Rule 902 or testified to be correct by a witness who has compared it with the original. If a copy which complies with the foregoing cannot be obtained by the exercise of reasonable diligence, then other evidence of the contents may be given.
Dr. Orly also feels that the photo accompanying this article casts her in an unserious, unflattering light -- which is an astonishing claim, coming from someone who runs a continuously-updated Website devoted to making herself look like an inept, conspiracy-chasing clown-on-a-unicycle.
Orly has mailed a letter to OC Week objecting to what she believes to be errors and omissions. In an attempt to explore some of these errors, http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/taitz-v-orange-county-weekly/ explores some of them. Dr Conspiracy also delves deeper in http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/06/taitz-v-kornhaber/
@bob I have a few questions for you: 1) Can you cite the actual 1961 text of Act 96? 2) Which of the three burdens of proof did you use to conclude that the Certification of Live Birth will satisfy the burden of proof? 3) If the state of Hawaii law reads that a handwritten unsigned statement of birth by anyone is prima facie evidence of birth location, and Obama had posted it on the Internet instead of the Certification of Live Birth, would he have satisfied his burden of proof? What if other states' laws say that such documents are not prima facie evidence of birth location? Should we allow up to 50 different standards or have just one federal one since Article II's natural born citizen requirement is written in a federal constitution and effects the entire nation, and not just one state's government and people? @Mary A You stated, "the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements. Can you cite a SCOTUS case that holds this because I couldn't find it in that article you cited? As for the foundling statutes, they do go to the trustworthiness and reliability of their birth certificates. I don't agree that if enough people do something, it must mean it is okay to do it. The key point that Obama supporters are redirecting attention away from is that the source of his Certification of Live Birth is unknown. This unknown may not matter much in every day life, but for a presidential election, it should matter a lot.
@joeop LOL! Leave it to a birfoon to take a law expressly for the purpose of preventing fraud and try to twist it into a law allowing fraud! And you think the Foundling Statute "undermine the trustworthiness and reliability reliability of Hawaii's birth records"? What a freakin' laugh! EVERY STATE has a law for how to deal with foundlings and they all say just about the same thing! What else are they going to say? CA foundling code: 102510. The person or institution with whom the child is placed shall give the child a name; the place in which the child is found shall be known as the legal place of birth; and the date of birth shall be determined as closely as possible and shall be known as the legal date of birth. http://law.justia.com/california/codes/hsc/102500-102520.html --------- "Even SCOTUS does not trust computer-generated documents" ----------- There you go, making stuff up like a typical birfoon. SCOTUS says their ELECTRONIC ORDER SYSTEM may generate errors. They in NO WAY state they do not trust computer-generated documents in general. "Revised Rule 25.8 provides that an electronic version of every brief on the merits shall be transmitted to the Clerk of the Court..." http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ctrules/tocounsel_07rulesrevisions.pdf ...the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements. http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html Lastly as has already been stated: If Orly Taitz had represented Brown in Brown v. Board of Education, BROWN WOULD HAVE LOST. Orly can't even deliver a subpoena lawfully!
@joeop More idle speculation. 1. You have no idea whether a law passed in 1911 was still in effect in 1961. (Hint: It wasn't; it was modified several times.) Rather than cite the actual law as it was in effect in 1961, you speculate on what it might be. 2. Even assuming Obama had to produce his birth certificate in court (which he won't), it doesn't matter what the burden of proof is because the COLB will satisfy that burden. It plainly says that it is prima facie evidence of his Hawaiian birth, and there's no competent evidence to counter that presumption, just speculation. 3. Of course a paper copy would be more convincing than a digital copy. But there's no actual evidence to suggest that there would be anything different on the paper COLB than the digital copy of of the COLB, just speculation.
Great story Spencer -- enjoyed it. Haven't seen it anywhere else. Nicely reported, nicely written. Jonathan
I think that Dr. Orly Taitz has some very valid remarks and I think Mr. Obama is full of hype, not hope. He will change America alright, to a poor, country. There will no longer be an American Dream, that Obama himself has prospered from. Your picture of Dr. Taitz makes me think that you didn't want to treat her fairly. Dr. Taitz seems to be an honest, intelligent, hard-working American and I think you should treat her unbiasedly. Thanks for thinking about this, -Beth
"By the way, if Orly Taitz had represented Brown in Brown v. Board of Education, should Brown have lost?" Comment by joeop No, but had Orly Taitz represented Brown HE WOULD HAVE LOST.
Act 96 went into effect on April 17, 1911. I believe it was in effect until 1972, but I have not seen conclusive evidence of this reported fact yet. This statute established the "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program that allowed a child to get a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth." In any event, what is any candidate's burden of proof that he meets Article II's natural born citizenship requirement to be president - by a preponderance of the evidence, by clear and convincing evidence, or by beyond a reasonable doubt? Obama's Internet posting of his Ceritification of Live Birth does not satisfy any of these burdens of proof. Even SCOTUS does not trust computer-generated documents and requires a follow up of them with its paginated versions in...print. Furthermore, in cases of discrepencies between the print and electronic versions of orders, the print version controls. Passage below was copied from: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/08ordersofthecourt.html Caution: These electronic orders may contain computer-generated errors or other deviations from the official printed versions. Moreover, all order lists and miscellaneous orders are replaced within a few months by paginated versions of them in a preliminary print of the United States Reports, and one year after the issuance of the preliminary print by the final version of the orders in a U. S. Reports bound volume. In case of discrepancies between the print and electronic versions of orders, the print version controls. In case of discrepancies between order lists or miscellaneous orders and any later official version of them, the later version controls.
@joeop 1. Was this so-called Act 96 in effect in 1961? 2. There has been document forgery for almost as long as there have been documents. Still no evidence of any falsity of Obama's COLB; just speculation.
So many head in so much sand! The truth is we know President Obama was born, only because we can see him walking and talking. Other than that there is no hard evidence of anything. Wishing it so will not make it so! There is a reason for all things but the reasoning for President Obama's lack of forth coming is one I cannot understand. He raves of transparency in government yet refuses to set this issue to rest. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well you get the idea. The man is hiding something that is quite obvious. Ask yourself why and for what reason! G Bennett
Taken from Act 96: All applications shall be by sworn petition, in which the party shall set forth circumstantially all the facts upon which his application rests, and shall be accompanied by sworn affidavits of witnesses. The Secretary and such persons as he may designate and appoint may examine, under oath, any applicant or person cognizant of the facts regarding any application and for that purpose he and they are hereby authorized and empowered to administer oaths, subpoena and compel the attendance of witnesses and the production of books and papers, punish for contempts and, generally, to exercise the same authority with regard to their special jurisdiction as is by law conferred on District Magistrates. The operative words here are "may examine," Under this act, applicants and witnesses do not have to be examined at all. Their applications can be approved without much scrutiny, or witnesses for that matter. I suppose this does not really matter since we all know that no one ever lies on government related forms (like driver's licenses, marriage licenses, military enlistment forms, paternity pleadings, etc.), or lies in a court of law or in an administrative hearing. I think a lot of people here are turning a blind eye to the actual source of the Certification of Live Birth. For them, it is more important to believe that if the summary document Certification of Live Birth came from the state of Hawaii, it must be credible. Never mind that ACT 96 and the Foundling Statute undermine the trustworthiness and reliability of Hawaii's birth records. By the way, if Orly Taitz had represented Brown in Brown v. Board of Education, should Brown have lost?
Magnus - Seen it. "Polarik" still has provided no proof of any of the training or experience he claims. (and my how it's funny how much his background grows. This time last year he wasn't claiming a Ph.D, much less his claim he should get the Nobel Prize for statistics.) Hell, he hasn't even provided a real NAME to anyone. And his rebuttal to Dr. Neal Krawetz doesn't address any of Dr. Krawetz points, but rather "Polarik" simply restates his theory with a "I'm right, you're wrong", and nothing to back it up with. I'd rather go with someone with the guts to back up their claims with their name and verifiable training, than some faceless nameless hack on the internet who refuses to prove anything about himself.
this is a nice profile, i just have one issue. i don't understand why the author had to humiliate her based on obvious issues relating to her being an immigrant. what does it matter that she pronounces mother "wrong"? what does it matter that she confuses pronouns and has some trouble with spelling? these are common problems for many immigrants - including my parents who have been in this country for 20 years. even though they are both educated professionals, they still sometimes confuse articles and of course, they have their russian accents. i'm also an immigrant but was lucky enough to come to the US when i was young. if i was a little older, i might have the same problems that many russian-speaking immigrants (like her) have - problems with pronouns, articles, and irregular spelling. that does not make any of us worse people, dumber people, or more vulnerable to the author's disdain. her ideas and actions speak for themselves. there's no reason to humiliate her for having an accent and being an immigrant on top of that. it's unprofessional and it makes the author look like a chauvinist.
Thanks, Magnus. There's nothing on earth funnier that "Dr. Ron Polarik" trying to explain that he's not REALLY a complete fake. ...unless, of course, you've read one of Orly Taitz' rambling, illiterate legal briefs, in which it case it's a toss-up as to which one is actually funnier.
The link to the text about the credibility of Neal Krawetz: http://bogusbirthcertificate.blogspot.com/.
Patrick! Here is the proof of the Obama COLB forgery: http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/. And here is the proof that "Dr Neal Krawetz" is not at all the expert he claims to be.
That's a lot of ink to spill on a delusional racist with a law degree from a Crackerjack box. Good work, "OCWeekly."
the wingnut show is funnier than anything on TV or in the theaters. more like this please. ____________ I agree, except for the part where "Dr." Taitz is signing up neo-Nazi supporters at gun shows and encouraging an armed takeover of the US Government. The lion's share of Birther rhetoric consists of calls for violent revolution to oust the Black Democrat President, wrapped in a convenient cloak of "Constitutionalist" hooey. Birthers are dangerous, treasonous nuts who have no use for anything in the Constitution except the part they THINK disqualifies Obama. Otherwise, it's just another worthless piece of paper they'd be happy to torch in the name of "Liberty."
Methinks BOH supporters complain too much--call people names to try and convince those who haven't made up their minds yet that Obama is the most legit, honorable, smartest, and prettiest president we've ever had, and to say anything negative about him makes you a racist. Got news for you...I'm convinced: he's the biggest con-man in U.S. history and one day the truth will be known. He's riding on the waves of lies begun with his first autobiography. He continues to campaign. He is not really sure of safety in his position yet, so keep on campaigning, lining up more blind followers. But he's soooooo coooool. Taking dope make you appear cool.
"On top of all that, there’s a recording and transcript of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother telling an interviewer that she was present when Barack Obama was born in Africa." Wrong. Salon: "During the interview, which was conducted through a translator by a street preacher named Ron McRae, Sarah Obama does in fact say she was present. But it's clear that there was a mistranslation, because as soon as McRae very excitedly starts to try to get additional details, the people on the other end of the line realize what's happened and say, over and over again, that Obama was born in the U.S. For some reason, the transcripts of the interview that have been posted on various right-wing Web sites all seem to cut off right after Sarah Obama says she was there when her grandson was born." http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/12/05/birth_certificate/
the wingnut show is funnier than anything on TV or in the theaters. more like this please.
Magnus - O really? And where's the proof of forgery? The "experts" who made that claim, "Polarik" and "TechDude" are two nameless, faceless, so-called internet "experts" who have never shown any evidence they have any of the training, skills, experience, or knowledge they state they have. On the other hand, real document experts and computer security specialists have gone over "Polarik" and "TechDude's" "findings", and found them full of errors and bad science. (Take a look at the findings of Dr. Neal Krawetz for example.) Even Sandra Tines, who the birthers hold up as "proof" of forgery, agreed with Dr. Krawetz, saying you cannot determine if something is a forgery or not based on an internet image. Yet "Polarik" seems to be able to not only claim forgery with no proof, but then claims there's no real document at all, even arguing with the State of Hawaii officials who state otherwise. Again, there's no credible evidence to back any of these claims. And certainly no credible evidence supporting the claims of forgery.
"There’s a term some use for people like Taitz, and she doesn’t like it. It’s 'birther'" Would she prefer "batshit loon?" 'Cause that fits, too.
@ Robert DeBeaux: The document that the image was photographed/scanned from was in his Chicago office during the campaign, you could have went there to see it, touch it, scrutinize it your little old self.
2,772 days of this bullshit to go.
I have reams of hard proof that he need to prove who he is. _________ No you don't, and you never did. All you have is misinterpreted law, an Indonesian grade-school sign-up form, a Canadian birth certificate signed by "Dudley Do-Right," a ton of nutso Internet conspiracy theories and a severe case of Black-Democrat-Presidentitis. You have "reams" of nothing but fear and anger.
I am amazed at you zombies. Those of you who have taken the OBAMA and Democrat serum and have been transformed into mindless dolts. There is NO proof about any document on OBAMA. If there is please show me and I will have at least some tangible evidence. Just get the document the image was made from, that is not asking too much is it? There is no other HARD proof available. If there is, you guys win. Simple as that. Show me what you got. Not a computer image either, I want hard documents in my hand. That simple. I have reams of hard proof that he need to prove who he is. So as I said, PROVE IT with hard evidence, not an image.
Now, WHY. HAS. OBO. FOUGHT. IN. COURTS. THE. RELEASE. OF. HIS. BC. PASSPORTS. COLLEGE RECORDS. ETC ??? __________________ Because he doesn't HAVE to release them just to please you, it would set a terrible privacy-law precedent to do so, and if I were him I would be doing it just to embarrass kooks like Orly, Berg, Donofrio...and you. Just to indulge you though, I'll speculate that he probably has a couple of "C"s on his college transcripts, and one or two courses in "Russian History" or "The Failure of Capitalism." You know, standard liberal-arts-degree classes that make the flags-and-bunting crowd go crazy and yell "treason." Rock on, you nutty Birthers! Keep making patriotism look evil and incompetent.
If President Obama is smart enough to pull off what the birthers are accusing him off I want him as MY president!
WHY. DID. MCCAIN. FIGHT. IN. COURTS. THE. RELEASE. OF. HIS. BC. PASSPORTS. IMMIGRATION RECORDS. ETC ??? Comment by Mary A from Laguna Nigel on Jun 19th, 2009, 12:27 pm ----------------------------------------------- Now, WHY. HAS. OBO............ ETC ??? tik.tik.tik.tik.tik.tik.tik...............
If President Obama is smart enough to pull of what the birthers accuse him of I want him as my president, our enemies won't stand a chance, think of the possibilities!
@rcNkc President Obama has released all relevant info. Anything else is NOYFB. And it doesn't matter whether you are running for office or not. Once the precedent is set that a person's private documents can be sued for and obtained, NO ONE will have any privacy. ----- DHHL never said Certifications of Live Birth CANNOT be used. They said they were preferable. You'd better recheck at DHHL. They have updated their info to reflect the changes at DOH: "Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification. The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth." http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl ------------- Mary A. & FactChecker Now, WHY. HAS. OBO. FOUGHT. IN. COURTS. THE. RELEASE. OF. HIS. BC. PASSPORTS. COLLEGE RECORDS. ETC ??? ----------------- WHY. DID. MCCAIN. FIGHT. IN. COURTS. THE. RELEASE. OF. HIS. BC. PASSPORTS. IMMIGRATION RECORDS. ETC ???
JohnCabal: I don't know why people keep claiming that Obama is "fighting" these suits ----------------------------- Now, WHY. HAS. OBO. FOUGHT. IN. COURTS. THE. RELEASE. OF. HIS. BC. PASSPORTS. COLLEGE RECORDS. ETC ???
Excellent and fair article. I am absolutely chuffed that the idiot birthers have chosen a woman of stunning incompetence to represent their interests. Then again, any attorney of any consequence or talent would be aware that this case is a no-goer. Spelling her own name and the name of the Judge on a recent filing was a nice touch! hehehe
I don't know why people keep claiming that Obama is "fighting" these suits "with an army of lawyers." He's not even named as a Defendant in most of the them, and so far I believe he has only bothered to respond to two of them, at most. His lawyers moved to dismiss one of Berg's cases, and handily achieved that in less than 6 pages. His lawyers also wrote a letter requesting sanctions against one of Berg's hired-dupe front-men in a state-level case, for obvious violations of attorney conduct and knowingly participating in an unwinnable nuisance suit. Other than that, Obama hasn't had to lift a finger, since these cases self-destruct on their own -- largely because they are inappropriately filed by amateur case-lawyers who don't understand the law, have no legal basis for their suits, are ineligible to file them and couldn't win anyway since they have no compelling arguments, no sworn evidence and no physical evidence to suggest that Barack Obama is anything but a natural born American. And don't tell me about the "$1 million" or the "$687,000" you think he's spent defending the BC suits. The first number is utterly imaginary, and the second number is post-election legal billings to his Campaign Committee, which I'm sure has hundreds of other legitimate uses for legal counsel that are much more pressing than fighting a dentist, a 9-11 Truther and a punk-rock performance artist named Donofrio over another Ed Hale bigfoot story.
Mary A from Laguna : Do you want your neighbor or employer to be able to sue AND GET your private records?............ ----------------------------- No, Im not running for public office, and yes those that do, should be required to release all relevant info. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. "The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said." Okubo also emphasized ---------------------------- Sorry, but you absolutely can get a copy of a Certificate of Birth, or Hawaiian Certificate of Birth. In fact, you have to have the latter if you want to participate in Hawaii’s Home Lands program: a housing initiative for native Hawaiians. All you have to do is to write DHHL on the same order form that is used to obtain Certifications of Live Birth. And, according to the program’s guidelines a Certifications of Live Birth CANNOT be used! The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are: * A certified copy of Certificate of Birth; * A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, including testimonies; or * A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary A. & FactChecker Now, WHY. HAS. OBO. FOUGHT. IN. COURTS. THE. RELEASE. OF. HIS. BC. PASSPORTS. COLLEGE RECORDS. ETC ???
From the Department of Health in Hawaii The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said. In other words, the "official birth certificate" of Hawaii is the certification of live birth. Even though some suggest that Obama falsified or forged the document, no credible evidence has been presented and in fact when Politifact checked with the DOH they found that --When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real. “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us--
@rcNkc 1. For the same reason McCain hired lawyers to keep his private info private. Once precedent has been set, that court case would be used by any mental case to get any American's private records. Do you want your neighbor or employer to be able to sue AND GET your private records? 2. "The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said." Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate." She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements." http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html
Only Two Points that Obots cannot address. 1. Why does Obo fight in courts around the country to hide BC, Passports, College Records ??? 2. Read the title at the top of the jpg. image of the green paper here: http://www.ocweekly.com/photoGallery/index/?section=news&gallery=456300&position=2&page=1 The OCWEEKLY calls it a "certifiCATE" , look what it actually says at the top !!! There is a BIG difference between a certifiCATE and a certificatION.
Patrick: "In a nutshell, I have yet to see any credible evidence showing that he was not born anywhere except in the United States [..]" Since the only evidence Obama has produced so far is a forgery of a Certification of Live Birth, wouldn't it be wise to ask him to present some real evidence?
Orly Taitz is a little off her rocker, but that doesn't take away that she's an incredibly attractive cougar. I see her on the next OC Real Housewives (at least I hope she's on it)
Joeop, President Obama's posted Certification of Live Birth is is certified by the state of Hawaii to be true and is evidence of birth in Hawaii. It is valid for all legal purposes. It is the only form of birth certificate Hawaii has issued since going digital in 2001. Hawaii does not fraudulently issue birth certificates for person's not born in the state. That would be in violation of US laws. Every state in the union has laws regarding foundlings that say the same thing. Why don't you read Act 96 before spouting ridiculous blather? Act 96 in fact delineates stringent evidence required to Prove Hawaiian birth before a BC is issued. It is time to stop feeding at Orly's propaganda trough.
Obama's posted Certification of Live Birth is not a copy of anything. It is merely a computer printout summary of Obama's 1961 record on file with the State of Hawaii. Summary printouts of records from unreliable and untrustworthy sources are inadmissible in every court in the land. What makes the source untrustworthy and unreliable here is that Hawaii issued birth certificates to children for a variety of reasons with little evidence, if any, to support their claimed birth location. For example, under the Hawaii's Foundling statute (§338-7) that existed in HI in 1961, anyone who reported finding a child filled out a Foundling Report listing the location where the person claimed to have found the child. That claimed location then became the child's birth place. No corroborating evidence was necessary. That Foundling Report then automatically became the child's birth certificate. Furthermore, there were other statutes on the books in Hawaii in 1961 that allowed for parent's to claim children as being born in Hawaii without any evidence. I beleive there was also something called Act 96 that had a procedure in place that allowed people to lie to get birth certificates issued for their foreign born children. Now no one is claiming that Obama is a foundling, but that is not the point. The point is that the source of the summary document called the Certification of Live Birth is not reliable or trustworthy, so a look at Obama's long vault birth record is warranted and justified here.
Magnus - The fact that you call him "Barry Soetoro" tends to make me suspect you already have your mind made up. But in case this is a serious question, I'll be happy to answer it. In a nutshell, I have yet to see any credible evidence showing that he was not born anywhere except in the United States and that he not only had US citizenship from birth on (required to be president) but that he never lost said US citizenship. In addition, there is nothing in the US Constitution that states a "natural-born citizen" = "both parents are US citizens". There is nothing in US case law that states such. So, in the absense of any credible evidence to the contrary, (and in light of increasingly absurd conspiracy claims), I'm forced to conclude that Obama does indeed meet the citizenship requirements to be President.
Is there any commentator here who really believes that Barry Soetoro (also known as Barack Obama) is a natural born citizen of the USA, and, if so, why? Please do not start the name calling right away, but try to argue in a civilised manner. This I write because I have been involved in quite a number of long discussions in commenting columns earlier and I fear that the average standard of commentators isn't to elevated here either.
I absolutely love Orly....her insistence that any one who is a "anti-birther" is a paid employee of the Obama administration is priceless. If it were only true...I would be a rich woman. If I didn't consider her followers to be prone towards violence I would find Orly quite funny. LM K P.S. Special shout out to Obotwatcher...thanks for thinking of me!
Orly has already linked to this article on her site: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?p=2360#comments Note the comments there: Like the comments here, it is ad hominem attacks on the author, yet not one refutation (and certainly not one citation) about anything in the article.
I stand behind this woman all the way. She is a saint and just wants the truth.
Why bother going to "the Obama file"? It's just more of the same old birther garbage that Orly, Berg, Martin, Hale, Pidgeon, etc., all spew.
You people should learn the facts before you condemn Dr. Orly. Go to 'The Obama File' by Beckwith.
At least we can rest assured that her many cross country trips and busy schedule give her kids valuable time to form their own opinions about the world.
Orly loves to demand that the President produce all sorts of documents including his "long form" birth certificate and college records. Well the "long form" certificate is not available according to Janice Okubo of the Hawaii Department of Health and his college records are private as are all of our records. She has also demanded that almost every government official be tried for treason including all of Congress, most of the judges from SCOTUS on down, and AG Holder. A few of us got together and put together a list of documents that we think Orly should be willing to produce. If you agree then please email her and tell her to produce these: http://www.scribd.com/full/16215337?access_key=key-tb1kx4b3ahgccolylaa
People like Taitz make me ashamed to call the OC home and reinforces misperceptions of our county as home to a bunch of backward bigots. This woman is a bad lawyer, a bad dentist and a terrible person. What she does excel at is lying (and perhaps karate). I feel terrible for her husband and sons being stuck with a racist lunatic like Orly Taitz for a wife and mother.
Orly Taitz is no doubt the scum of the earth, she is a bigoted racist, a liar and dumb to boot. A couple of nights ago she appeared on a radio show with some pastor who called himself a Christian(NOT), I heard her utter the words "Obama and his ugly wife"....nice huh? There was a pastor a while ago, Wiley Drake who requested imprecatory prayer asking for harm to come to President Obmama, I have a rather large group of friends who are praying imprecatory prayers for harm to come to Orly Taitz and her minions. God Bless America!
To anyone unfamiliar with this crap, don't be surprised to see the term "obot" liberally leveled at anyone who doesn't support Taitz in her bigotry and lies. That's how these racists dismiss anyone who disagrees with them. Try and debunk their precious bullshit and you're an "obot", produce factual evidence and documentation, you're an "obot", expose Orly Taitz for the liar that she's proven herself to be time and time again, you're an "obot". It's their way of getting around the fact that they don't have one single factual piece of evidence to back up their claims. Hmmmm... didn't Dick Cheney certify the electoral college vote? Is he an Obot? What about John McCain and Sarah Palin and all other Republicans who Orly's sent her dossiers to and haven't climbed aboard her ship of fools? Obots all I suppose. Even amongst the non-GOP members of the anti-Orly crowd, there are plenty of people who aren't Obama supporters. I, for one, am extremely liberal and feel that Obama is way too much of a centrist. Even so I feel the need to expose Taitz and her cronies for the frauds that they are. What burns me the most is that they call themselves patriots and then preach hate in direct contradiction to our core American values. Since when do Americans exhort one another to violence when elections don't go their way? What if liberals were talking about arming themselves after the Supreme Court declared Bush the victor over Gore in 2000? The birthers are exactly the kind of people who would have said, "America! Love it or leave it!" but when things don't go their way, it's talk of raising a civilian militia and forming fantasy grand juries to hand down fantasy indictments. These people are nothing but a bunch of sore losers whose anger Taitz has co-opted for her own bigoted purposes.
Where the HELL have you been hideing why don't you whacko's get over your selfs.Don't you think that buy now somebody checked this out.OMG get a hobbytvvz
ObotWatcher, I'll steal this directly from "Old Grunt" at PJ: "It's not that many of us are necessarily "Pro-Obama", we are "pro-rule of law" and see the birther movement as an insidious attempt to circumvent the laws of our nations as a result of a desperate temper tantrum by a group of unstable people."
I see it's the attack of the obots + one previous confidant. Go ahead & drivel the bs you've been SO GOOD at for the past 8+ months. Ya'll are nothing more than a pack of progressives working for Obama. Why else would Politijab have a minimum of 15 members, who are attorneys, on their site day after day after day???!!! You're like a pack of mobsters. PJ - you BOAST at taking ObamaCrimes down -- and you were allowed to do so. Nearly every single person who was a supporter there is gone! And you CHEER! A personal accomplishment! I'm still scratching my head as to why LL allowed that to happen -- ?????? Any confessions ?????? Justin??? Rikker??? Brian??? Allison??? LM K??? Lisa??? TES??? BB???
Excellent thorough article on the nitrous queen! In that TV show with Lightfoot she makes a really disgusting remark about how she'd like to do a root canal on President Obama. She is one nasty piece of work. Thanks for exposing her. I hope she is disbarred and shunned by all of OC.
Good article. The sad part is that people like Dr. Orly are so blinded by their hatred that they're not seeing the things around them - or who they're associating with. The day after I was interviewed for this piece, a gunman who turned out to be a Neo-Nazi shot two guards and killed one at the National Holocaust Museum. Turns out he was posting the same claims and demands that Dr. Orly posts. She's freely associating with people fully willing to hate her simply due to her faith, and that's pretty sad. (One birther in particular, Andy Martin, is a known anti-semite) The major flaw with the entire birther cause is that there is not a single piece of credible evidence that supports any of their claims. No Pakistan travel ban. No way for a US minor citizen to give up their US citizenship. No credible proof of forgery (just the writings of faceless, nameless internet "experts". A full recording with Sarah Obama that she says clearly "born in Hawaii". Not a single piece of evidence to back up any of their claims. Instead they demand you take it all on faith - and proclaim any evidence to the contrary to be part of the "conspiracy". And the people involved are just as questionable as the evidence. A dentist with a law degree from an on-line unaccredited law school. Another lawyer who's a disgrunted Hillary supporter and 9/11 truther with ethics violations in his past. An avowed anti-semite. A "patriotic Naval Academy" graduate who was court-martialed for misappropriation of funds. Fantasy "grand juries" made up of internet "volunteers" picked from birther boards and ran by a guy selling US jobs overseas to China. Nameless, faceless internet "document experts" that refuse to give any evidence as to their training and qualifications. An internet "radio" talk show host who's claimed to have killed bigfoots on his Texas ranch. And a tax-cheat convicted of defrauding the government. A world where World Net Daily, The Globe Tabloid, and Pravda On-Line are considered gospel truth. And most of the top birthers have have blogs where the party faithful parrot the lies and any dissent is ruthlessly censored in a way that would make Stalin proud. None of their "evidence" survives in the light of day. None of their backgrounds holds up to close examination. These so-called "patriots" are nothing more than a sad group of conspiracy nuts preaching sedition and treason as an excuse for their hatred and bigotry.
Orly Taitz is a joke of a lawyer who's legal ineptitude is only matched by her hatred and bigotry toward Muslims. Five to ten minutes on her blog is long enough to make any rational person sick to their stomach, with its lies, half truths, blatant racism and calls for violent overthrow of our democratically elected government officials. She pretends to care about the Constitution and refers to her supporters as "patriots". Nothing could be further from the truth. These people care nothing about the Constitution, they use it as an excuse to validate their fear and hate. Not only that, Dr. Taitz knowingly keeps information from supporters, such as the fact that there was no travel ban to Pakistan in 1981. She claims to be a lawyer, a dentist and a kung-fu expert (no joke) but her real stock and trade is deceit and hate mongering.
Orly is a complete idiot and a fraud. No lawyer I know can understand how this person passed the bar exam. Her law degree is from a "remote learning" diploma mill called William Howard Taft University. It is not accredited and California is one of the few states where she would be allowed to take the bar. Let's just say that any lawyer who reads her blog and legal "dossiers" would more than question just how she managed to pass the bar without help, divine or otherwise. Orly ruthlessly moderates her blog to remove any post that questions her so called "facts". On a radio show the other night a caller asked her how many cases she had actually won. After stammering around for a minute she said "lots" but would only mention a real estate mediation case she had claimed she had won. The truth is she has never won a single case in court and only has been allowed to argue one case before a judge. That was in the Brockhausen v Andrade birfer case in Texas where a judge allowed her to appear for a few minutes. The judge actually bent the rules as she should have had to request a pro hoc vice hearing to be allowed to practice in Texas but the judge decided to just let her say her piece rather than waste his and the courts time. The case was then dismissed. Orly has to be the joke of the year at the Supreme Court. She has a vendetta against the Stay Clerk of the Supreme Court, Danny Bickell, whom she has accused of sabotaging her cases. She has urged her stupid followers to demand that he be fired. The so called mysterious disappearance of her case was no more than a computer glitch. Of course, Orly is so paranoid she sees something sinister in everything that doesn't go her way. She no longer uses PayPal to accept donations (she happily will accept money other ways, however) because she is too stupid to understand how Paypal works and her stupidity ended up causing her to split with Lisa Ostella who used to run her blog. Her new blog is probably one of the ugliest blogs on the Internet and is laughably amateurish in design. Of course, she is Lady Liberty and Ed Hale calls her and there are plenty of morons out there who will continue to support her. Let's all hope that the California bar figures out she is a menace to the profession and convinces her that she should stick to tooth decay as her primary avocation.
Great article. You captured a bit of the insanity, though it runs much deeper. Have you seen the video of Orly and Gail Lightfoot on a cable television show? I wonder about Lightfoot. How can she buy into this? Dr. Conspiracy over at obamacrimes.org certainly does debunk the birther claims. Meanwhile, birthers go on.
What!? A white bigot from south OC still sore about losing the election. Nonsense. The right wing waterheads in "south county" have been nothing but gracious LOSERS since Obama took office. Oh wait, I'm totally wrong. People like this only prove the that the vile and terrible slime that inhabit areas like south OC are just as narrow minded and racist as a klan rally. I would be nervous to have this woman as my dentist. What happens if she goes into an Obama hate frenzy while she is drilling your teeth....eeeeeshhhhhh
hi orly. I am watching you. watch your back. Muahh ah ah
The truth is Orly Taitz is pretending to be all those supporters in the comments section. She uses the same phrases for every one of them and misspells the same words. She was caught on a defendourfreedoms blog pretending to be an FBI agent. She got pegged by her IP address.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/05/please-get-this-straight-aka-obama.html Please get this straight: Hawaiian officials have not validated AKA OBAMA’s place of birth.
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robert 01/13/2010 12:09:40 PM
Here is the reason the people need to be assured that the President meets the Constitution's natural born citizen requirement: The President of the United States is one of the three branches of government. He is the Executive branch. The nation speaks to all people through one voice, the President's. The President can make treaties, grant pardons, sign and veto legislation, appoint a Cabinet, as well as Supreme Court Justices. In addition to these duties, the President knows the nation's most important and secure secrets, and as the Commander in Chief of the military, has the military's nuclear launch codes at the ready, and who can arguably, either take steps to weaken the nation, or even destroy it. In the words of Vice President Dick Cheney, "The president of the United States now for 50 years is followed at all times, 24 hours a day, by a military aide carrying a football that contains the nuclear codes that he would use and be authorized to use in the event of a nuclear attack on the United States. He could launch the kind of devastating attack the world has never seen. He doesn't have to check with anybody. He doesn't have to call the Congress. He doesn't have to check with the courts. He has that authority because of the nature of the world we live in." Mr. Obama claims that he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. As his only evidence that he meets the Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution's requirement that a President be a natural born citizen, he produced a document called a "Certification of Live Birth," which he posted on his website under the title: "Barack Obama's Official Birth Certificate." At first blush, it is case closed. A closer examination of the facts, however, reveals that Mr. Obama failed to point out on his website that his posted "Official Birth Certificate," as he called it, is actually a 2007 computer-generated, laser-printed summary document of his 1961 vital record(s) on file with the Hawaii State Department of Health. What we do not know, however, is what 1961 vital record the Certification of Live Birth is summarizing. In 1961 there were at least six different procedures available to obtain a vital record (birth certificate) that the Certification of Live Birth could be summarizing. Each one has a different degree of reliability and trustworthiness that warrants scrutiny (Copied with permission from http://birther.com).