Old World Village's Rep As a Haven for Skinheads Is the Least of the Huntington Beach Oddity's Problems

Old World Disorder
Lawsuits, shuttered shops, threats, finger-pointing: Turns out Old World Village’s rep as a haven for skinheads is the least of the Huntington Beach oddity’s problems

illustration by Stephen Weigl
While she still operates Gourmet Lollipops, Michele Weiss (center, 
next to mother Patricia and son Miles) says there's not enough business to keep her Jewish Gifts store open
John Gilhooley
While she still operates Gourmet Lollipops, Michele Weiss (center, next to mother Patricia and son Miles) says there's not enough business to keep her Jewish Gifts store open

Huntington Beach’s Old World Village is nothing if not quaint. It has cobblestone streets, red-shingle roofs, pretty little planters, and stucco walls painted with floral designs and bucolic murals. But Michele Weiss and her mother, Patricia, woke up one day in February 2003 to find a new addition to the décor: dog shit, wiped all over their windows.

Skinheads. “They’re at it again,” Weiss thought when she saw the brown mess on the surfaces of her shop. It was gross, annoying and saddening, she says, but not a shock. She knew what she was in for when she opened Michele’s Jewish Gifts eight years ago. After all, her family had lived in the Village since 1986: The shaved-head, swastika-tattoo crowd that would spill out of the Rathskeller Pub and buy Third Reich memorabilia from the shop across the way were just a part of the scenery. And it wasn’t like there hadn’t been incidents before. There was that time in the ’90s when she and her mother stumbled across a banquet for Hitler’s birthday in a neighbor’s restaurant and saw a little baby with a swastika armband. And there was the guy who told her mother that the ovens in Germany during the Holocaust were “all for baking.” Disturbing, Weiss says, but bearable.

This time, the Weisses called the cops, filed a report, cleaned up the windows and kept on with their business. A little more than a month later, their Star-of-David sign was stolen. In June of 2004, a window was broken. Every so often, Weiss would pick up the ringing telephone to be told her family wasn’t long for this earth. She tells a hilarious story about the week in August 2004 when the skinheads left a new scratch on her brown Buick every night—until one night when they mistakenly targeted the similarly colored car of a German neighbor.

Weiss and her mom, who also run a bakery called Gourmet Lollipops, insist the anti-Semitism they occasionally encounter in the Village isn’t a huge problem. And even if it were, they say, there’s little that can be done about it. Because that’s how it goes in the Village: People do things, and there’s no one to tell them they can’t. That’s actually how the Weisses’ Jewish gift shop got opened in the first place. In 2000, the family displayed an Israeli flag among the array of “old world Europe” flags in front of the mixed business-and-residential development. A few neighbors flipped, took down the flag and told them it had no place in Old World Village. So the Weisses converted their generic gift shop into a Jewish gift shop. Their intention was subversive, but in a way, it was also ordinary for the Village, where the idea of a unified Bavarian utopia just off Interstate 405 is constantly stretched to accommodate some distinctly un-German business ventures and residents.

The Village has changed a great deal since it opened in 1978, but it’s a still a quaint place. For the most part, residents say, everyone gets along. But over the years, the struggle over the identity of the Village has led to lawsuits and police calls, harsh words and hurt feelings. And recently, the Weisses did something else that’s become common in the Village. In the window of Michele’s Jewish Gifts, they placed a sign: “Going Out of Business.”

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The Village’s old-timers miss many things, but what Heidi Miller seems to miss the most are the dirndls. The 74-year-old German native, her white hair cropped close, owns Heidi’s Imports, a small shop where she sells T-shirts and beer steins emblazoned with Iron Crosses and panzers (and, according to some neighbors, the occasional swastika). Miller moved to the United States with her American G.I. husband in 1958. And when the Village opened in 1978, she worked as a bartender at the Old World Restaurant. At that time, nearly all the shop owners in the place wore traditional Bavarian dresses or lederhosen. She now has a picture on the wall of her shop showing a woman in a colorful dirndl; she gestures to it and smiles when she talks about the way the Village used to be. “When I came, I was amazed,” she says, her voice accented and hesitant. “We all had to wear this clothing in the store. It was nice.”

Cyndie Kasko is 33, friendly, blond and fashionably dressed, so she perhaps can’t be considered an “old-timer.” But what she misses is the fun. She’s the daughter of Josef Bischof, the German-born developer who built the Village. She and her family christened the place when she was just 2 years old. “It was like growing up in Disneyland,” she says. “It was such a blast. You’d open your door, and there’d be all these people, with some girl selling pretzels on a stick.”

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  • eef 11/09/2010 11:44:00 PM

    I recently visited OWV for the first time and I enjoyed a delicious robust italian dinner with my family and some friends at the very friendly and intimate italian restaurant. Not that it should matter and it didn't but I am white (dutch) my wife is half cuban and our friends are mexican and we all enjoyed a great dinner and felt welcome. I did notice that there weren't many visitors in the village despite the fact that it is or should I say could be a really nice place. About the article I believe it's a good article written to merely show what is going on in the village and the different opinions that some of the people involved have. I don't see the writer taking any sides and if some people feel misrepresented this might be because they didn't want to contribute to the article. To say anything about skinheads that may or may not have been there is useless because they most likely can't read anyway. I can only feel sorry for all developmentally retarded souls that join any intolerant hateful organization out of frustration about their own stupidity. Claiming to be truthful to their heritage or what they think of as their kind not realizing that they are not even welcome anymore where they came from and are seen by 'their kind' as nothing but an embarrassment and insult to their culture. As for the village I hope it will somehow move on and thrive. Not as an office park but as an out of the ordinary destination where all walks of life can enjoy a nice stroll along some unique shops, boutiques, galleries, arts and crafts,deli's, restaurants and bars. Although anybody should be able to start any such business there, I don't see any wrong in the idea that it should somehow have to do with the old world which is not necessarily german but european as long as anybody is welcome to enjoy a little taste of what the old world feels like. For those in the village that agree if only on this I say put aside all grudges, accusations, frustrations and disagreements from the past and focus on finding a way to revive friendly old world village. I know from my own experience that the italian restaurant, of which I have momentarily forgotten the name, is on the right track and will guarantee a friendly and very tasteful dining experience Like you would find in italy itself.

  • WASP 09/03/2010 8:20:00 AM

    Wait until the black and latino gangbangers get wind of it Elke like they invariably always do. Then there goes all the fun.

  • Sandra 07/15/2010 3:45:00 AM

    I'm not German and I'm not a skinhead. I don't own a business or have property at Old World. I'm just someone that happened to be in their lives for a brief period of time. Michelle & Patricia Weiss are Evil. Take this as a warning and keeping your distance from those 2.

  • Kucukcka 04/01/2010 7:14:00 AM

    It is amazing that there are so many superstitious American youth and minorities in this country who keep saying they are the majority. It is sad that many forget when you are an EXPAT you left your own countries ship, so when you go to a neighbors home it isn't polite to do the secret things you try to do quitely, or is it someting else? Americans forget the International Laws and many will pay for their racism and biases based on nails, hair, light-skin'd, dark-complekt'd and all that Jive nonsense out of no where. Peace, and love your neighbor. WHO is your neighbor???

  • Heidi 06/28/2009 7:15:00 AM

    I pretty much grew up at the Old World because my Dad was the Master Of Ceremony's for many of the festivals and the Oktoberfest. I too remember a kind of Disneyland environment where everyone wore a dirndl dress and Lederhosen. I am totally in agreement that the village needs to be re-energized as a thriving retail center. The folks who want a roll up the sidewalks kind of business need to realize that the primary attraction of the Old World is the festivals and the kind of clientele this will attract is not someone who is looking for a 9 to 5 type of business. As far a the skinhead/hitler stuff, will everyone please remember the the Bischof family also suffered during the war as many did of German descent. Also many people of German heritage were put in concentration camps and lost family members for helping the many people who were persecuted under Hitler. This is all old history...hopefully we have evolved enough to have a sane majority that is tolerant of all races and heritage and we still can be proud of our own culture and celebrate it's rich history, especially since it is more than just those few dark years of WWII. For now I wish the Old World well and hope that it will be able to be true to the original dream of Mr. Bischof. I know part of my father's spirit lives there in the beer garden and he will be toasting to it's success and gemutlichkeit!

  • Cyberwoman 04/20/2009 11:31:00 PM

    In my opinion this is bad journalism. Interviewing the two most controversial figures of the village and reporting their stories as facts is more than irresponsible. As for the businesses in OWV the question is which came first the chicken or the egg? I have lived and operated a business here for about 10 years. At the time I moved in the majority of the businesses were retail based however due to the lack of foot traffic they slowly died out, thus buiding owners are renting to whoever they can retail or service. Calling ones neighbors deragatory names in print is only going to escalate problems here at the village but presumably the owner of this article would know that. I am not certain what was accomplished with this article other than a display of poor reporting.

  • Martin 03/31/2009 3:29:00 PM

    Great Place! Love going there!

  • Rolf Goellnitz 03/27/2009 3:48:00 AM

    Since two and a half years I'm running a Gallery for Contemporary Art in the Old World Village, since almost 2 years I'm living above my business. I don't own the place I'm renting it. If I would rely on foot traffic alone I would better close my place, but enhanced communication channels and the virtual market place are helpful alternatives. As I have a solid background in marketing and advertising I've agreed to be involved in several committees and discussions with the community over the time, to help to improve the village's attractiveness. This has been a fascinating experience for me. Not due to the results, but rather due to the insight I got into people's mind. Old World Village offers everything: Prejudice, racism and intolerance, but also kindness,friendly support, good neighborhood. It's to a certain extend a microscopic copy of our world and it shows that it takes a lot of good will and descent communication by everybody to overcome sins or mistakes of the past. We've made some progress in the village so far, but major steps require a lot of common sense and that is missing. I still believe that there is hope for the village as a place where business can prosper and people like to come to. What it takes is to accept each other, tolerate different opinions, develop an open mind to accept outsider expertise and to agree on a concept how to market this place. I could see another dozen galleries here, as I could see the empty and soon to be empty stores rented out to businesses not to be found in any other mall in the OC, catering to customers, who get bored by the retail chain driven malls. Combined with an eclectic mixture of places to eat and drink and a generally friendly and tolerant attitude towards visitors and clients and this place could boom again. What is required is to put the focus on the future and not the past and to see change not as a threat, but as a chance. Anyway in the meantime I will welcome any person independent of his/her background, who wants to learn about,explore or even buy art and encourage them to participate in what OMC stands for: Open Mind Communication.

  • Rolf Goellnitz 03/27/2009 3:48:00 AM

    Since two and a half years I'm running a Gallery for Contemporary Art in the Old World Village, since almost 2 years I'm living above my business. I don't own the place I'm renting it. If I would rely on foot traffic alone I would better close my place, but enhanced communication channels and the virtual market place are helpful alternatives. As I have a solid background in marketing and advertising I've agreed to be involved in several committees and discussions with the community over the time, to help to improve the village's attractiveness. This has been a fascinating experience for me. Not due to the results, but rather due to the insight I got into people's mind. Old World Village offers everything: Prejudice, racism and intolerance, but also kindness,friendly support, good neighborhood. It's to a certain extend a microscopic copy of our world and it shows that it takes a lot of good will and descent communication by everybody to overcome sins or mistakes of the past. We've made some progress in the village so far, but major steps require a lot of common sense and that is missing. I still believe that there is hope for the village as a place where business can prosper and people like to come to. What it takes is to accept each other, tolerate different opinions, develop an open mind to accept outsider expertise and to agree on a concept how to market this place. I could see another dozen galleries here, as I could see the empty and soon to be empty stores rented out to businesses not to be found in any other mall in the OC, catering to customers, who get bored by the retail chain driven malls. Combined with an eclectic mixture of places to eat and drink and a generally friendly and tolerant attitude towards visitors and clients and this place could boom again. What is required is to put the focus on the future and not the past and to see change not as a threat, but as a chance. Anyway in the meantime I will welcome any person independent of his/her background, who wants to learn about,explore or even buy art and encourage them to participate in what OMC stands for: Open Mind Communication.

  • Elke 03/24/2009 11:35:00 PM

    Sad how some people can not let go of the past. Yesterday is gone and tomorrow is yet to come. The village looks great with the new look and there is a wonderful club that meets there every Sunday (noskinheads either) Not only that I hear they have never caused a problem like some other people. Lets move on and focus on all the good things instead of old news.

  • Casual Observer 03/24/2009 11:33:00 PM

    I went there with some friends. Not only were most of the shops closed but the people were very unfriendly. Like the first post, I think it may have something to do with the fact that we're a Black family. We got the same treatment as the Hispanic family. Rude stares...open shit talking. It was sad and I was happy to hear this place is going downhill. Karmas a bitch. Oh..and to the people who think the reporter has it wrong or that the posters to this article don't know what we're talking about; We view the world differently. Maybe if you weren't White (which I know you are by the total self absorption and the denial that anyone can have an experience contrary to theirs) then the 'Old World" wouldn't have been so friendly. Just my honest opinion. What do you expect though? Huntington Beach is full of assholes in trucker hats,german cross bearing trucks,goatee sporting construction workers. Is anyone really surprised? Nope!

  • Gary 03/24/2009 10:56:00 AM

    I live in Huntington Beach and work across the street from Old World. I have been to the bar there at the German Restuarant many times over the last 2 years and have never ever seen any skin heads. It is more like a Cheers place than anyplace else in town. The company is good and the food is authentic German. I enjoy it, especially on Sundays. I can tell you that the person writing the article, Spencer, needs practice at being a journalist and getting his facts right.

  • Gayle Snyder-McGough 03/22/2009 4:49:00 AM

    I lived in Orange County for over 30 years, I started really going to Old World in 1981, so I'm an old-timer. I love Old World, you can get off of Beach Blvd., which is very busy and go to Old World and feel relaxed and calm, a really forgetting the busy world is so close. I am 68 years old, and whenever I get back to Orange County, that is one of the first places I go, I feel at home there. I have never seen skinheads at Old World, if they were there, they must have been on good behavior or something. I am 68 years old, somewhat conservative in my thinking. I think that whoever wrote this article must not really been to this wonderful place. G. Snyder-McGough

  • mark snyder 03/22/2009 3:50:00 AM

    having known the bischoff family for over twenty years.and having spent more time in the old world bar, than i care to mention.i can say first hand i have rarely seen skin heads at old world!!!!.mark snyder

  • Aaron 03/21/2009 9:50:00 PM

    Yep. HB, that land of monster trucks and the goatee donut. I'm white and I avoid hanging out in Huntington Beach.

  • jessica 03/21/2009 7:34:00 PM

    Sadly anti semitism is still associated with Germany and Austria and the United States too. I am disgusted that we have a skin head hang out here but that doesnt seam too far fetched seeing that we also have mexican hating minute men who are openly racist and protest and taunt people on main st every once and a while. Huntington Beach isnt exactly a totally appreciative of diversity melting pot. There is also that old guy who drives around in the hate mobile indighting commies, young naive idiots who voted for Obama, illegals etc for ruining America. Sad, I live here.

  • Jason Platt 03/21/2009 6:57:00 PM

    As a son of a (since deceased) Holocaust survivor, I am terribly disappointed to learn of the treament of the Jewish gifts store. Hopefully, the other shopkeepers there will band together to help her keep her store and fight any anti-Semitism that comes there. There are power in words and defacing of private property should not be condoned. Shopkeepers should put up a sign saying while we are proud of our German heritage, we are NOT proud of anti-semitism and anti-semitism is no longer associated with Germany and Austria.

  • CHS 03/21/2009 2:48:00 AM

    I wonder if any of those Hitler-worshippers realize that (1) Nazi Germany got its ass handed to it in WW2 and (2) Hitler committed suicide accompanied only by his "girlfriend" (some say they were married hours before their demise). I should add that Hitler's insistence on making military decisions - and contradicting his generals - didn't exactly help the German war effort.

  • Rita 03/21/2009 2:11:00 AM

    Wow, whoever wrote this article is a big asshole, no idea what's going on .

  • m.e. 03/20/2009 8:17:00 AM

    i have been there a couple times but the shops are always closed and the stuff they sell is wack. my family and i went to the underground bar to hang out and everyone there was so unfriendly. I dont know if its cuz we're mexican or what but they were smirking and openly talking about us. We still had a good time cuz we were together but that was the last time we went.. :( it's too bad too because Old World is really cute and original.

 

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