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Pepe 07/29/2009 3:18:00 AM
Hey proud viejo, I just read your last couple of comments about you and what your family went through. Let me be the first to say que usted si es un orgullo hispano (bueno como dicen en Univison) for all you have accomplished so far. I'm sure there is more you will accomplish as well.
Anyway since you mentioned you are writing a book, I would like to know if you could keep me updated on when it's going to be released. I think it sounds like something I would really be interested in reading. Gracias.
Quidese.
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proud viejo 03/19/2009 11:37:00 AM
To Stephany or Stefany or Estefana in Chicago your name does not matter. People in Southern Mexico are naming their kids "Brandon" " Maxwell". Don't complain about a Chicano opening this column to represent Mexicans. He has found a way to make money and a name for himself. He speaks and sells books, good for him he's making money. He makes people laugh with his comments. His audience are mostly his age with the same humor, background and education. They mostly learn about being Mexican in what ever is taught in college here, maybe a visit with some mexican family in Mexico. ( okay to visit, but not to live there). I was atracted at first to the funnies,but i'm almost 60 years old I lived a lot of what they read about in college. One of my great grandmothers lived to be 105, born in the 1850's always lived in Mexico, My grandparents were born 1910, my parents in the 30's. I was born 1950 and lived the 60' the 70's when all the chicano Brown power thing was made in California and Texas. So Astlan is an American/Mexican thing. I was brought into the US at 2 years of age and had a permanent visa by age 10. Since I lived by the border I could visit with my old grandparents to spend hours listening to their life history. They were all from the historic states of Mexico and lived trough the revolution caused by foreign interests in oil and ore. People had to migrate north to avoid death, so began our migration to the US. I am still a Mexican Citizen, Mexico is my birth mother, but I love the United States of America just the same, it is the mother who raised me. I have never felt different. I have just survived. I am writing a book and collecting photos so my family 200 years from now know my father and I were the first of their family to come here. I may publish the book if I can find someone to fix it so it sells whith out changing it. I will not be writing to this ASK A MEXICAN column again. There are no experts in all thing Mexican,Just people chasing a dollar.
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Proud Viejo 03/05/2009 3:13:00 AM
Macelino from Downey:
The "systemic" problems that make hungry children and widows have and will always be there. Birth and death are invariable. I see two actions, sit down and talk about how to solve it while children and women die as men fight for domination and seats of honor.
Or feed the children and help their mothers, even if it means just dying at the end of our term.
Education is a means of sorting by class and setting mores. Anyone is capable of reaching goals, by overcoming or using negatives. Man has come this far and will go on by the pure desire to survive.
Finaly Insulting can take various forms. I can be direct and say it like i feel it. Or you can be polite about it and call my father a slave for using the brazero program to improve the life of his family.
You also have congatulated me for " Realizing my dreams" and called my actions "Noble".
I had no dreams, I am surviving. My Charitable work in my comunity is not "Noble" , it is what I have to do. I don't come down from my "wise" chair to be "noble"
I live in my comunity, I have not left to live among the
" illuminaty" Please enjoy your wisdom.
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Marcelino 02/26/2009 2:05:00 AM
Viejo,
Wisdom means to amplify your understanding not constrict it.
So 2 examples;
*Feeding starving children is very noble act, but solving the systemic problem that creates starving children is wiser.
*Educating everyone as much as possible is adequate, but having each person strive for their own benefit is wiser.
Finally insulting people never solved anything, I think you know this more than anyone given your business success.
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Stefany 02/23/2009 11:10:00 AM
I don't understand why a Chicano opens up a column representing us Mexicans. That is just wrong there is an enormous gap of culture, a completely different point of view over the issues and a different sense of just everything between a Chicano and a real mexican. this is not discrimination or anything but. Hello a Mexican is completely different than a Chicano , a Chicano tries to be gringo, and think they are better than normal Mexicans just by having papers. but says that he is a Mexican when it benefits him ( like now). that is why Mexicans hate Chicanos , and the gringos don't like them either so as la India maria said: no son ni de aqui ni de alla.
Its just depressing that a Chicano has to represent us mexicans in a country like this. sad just sad.
Also you are all talking about lazy chicanos not Mexicans
there is a great difference, in education believe even if this country is supposedly the number 1 its education is horrible compared to the high level of education that you recieve in public Mexican schools, its all because of the stupid idea of equality and opportunity of this country
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Stefany 02/23/2009 11:06:00 AM
I don't understand why a Chicano opens up a column representing us Mexicans. That is just wrong there is an enormous gap of culture, a completely different point of view over the issues and a different sense of just everything between a Chicano and a real mexican. this is not discrimination or anything but. Hello a Mexican is completely different than a Chicano , a Chicano tries to be gringo, and think they are better than normal Mexicans just by having papers. but says that he is a Mexican when it benefits him ( like now). that is why Mexicans hate Chicanos , and the gringos don't like them either so as la India maria said: no son ni de aqui ni de alla.
Its just depressing that a Chicano has to represent us mexicans in a country like this. sad just sad.
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Proud viejo 02/23/2009 5:18:00 AM
To Marcelino From Downey: You seem to patronize this old vejo. I'm not the little old Mexican man who dreamed corn and got rain. You assume my father suffered awful enslavement as a brazero..did you learn that in college. He got everything he agreed to do under his contract ( not a slave). He came back with his family. You say that a person is not measured by how much money and property they gain, but by how much they have contributed to society. My work and my familys bussines provide some jobs and pay a lot of taxes. President Obama is not asking for 800 billion neatly dressed college educated chicanitos.. he wants dollars.. yes that minor thing that life has to offer. The west has created havoc in the rise of its empires to this very day ? You learned that in college too ? Education is about gaining wisdom, I have known kids that go of to college and come back with that "thin smile a stiff back and tight little walk" looking to sit away from la raza. You talk about the human mind begining to create , strategize possible solutions to inplement wisdom. What planet did you fall from- didn't college teach you the history of man the old philosophers sat and talked to entertain the fighting brutes that fed them. Don't forget all the mexicanitos that help grow the food you buy in neat packages at the store. By the way I and my son are Knights of Columbus , a charitable organization that raises billions of DOLLARS to feed the hungry and provide an education for all children regardless " of age or lack of wisdom" Go look in the mirror and find a good name for yourself, use my imagination.
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Proud viejo 02/23/2009 5:17:00 AM
To Marcelino From Downey: You seem to patronize this old vejo. I'm not the little old Mexican man who dreamed corn and got rain. You assume my father suffered awful enslavement as a brazero..did you learn that in college. He got everything he agreed to do under his contract ( not a slave). He came back with his family. You say that a person is not measured by how much money and property they gain, but by how much they have contributed to society. My work and my familys bussines provide some jobs and pay a lot of taxes. President Obama is not asking for 800 billion neatly dressed college educated chicanitos.. he wants dollars.. yes that minor thing that life has to offer. The west has created havoc in the rise of its empires to this very day ? You learned that in college too ? Education is about gaining wisdom, I have known kids that go of to college and come back with that "thin smile a stiff back and tight little walk" looking to sit away from la raza. You talk about the human mind begining to create , strategize possible solutions to inplement wisdom. What planet did you fall from- didn't college teach you the history of man the old philosophers sat and talked to entertain the fighting brutes that fed them. Don't forget all the mexicanitos that help grow the food you buy in neat packages at the store. By the way I and my son are Knights of Columbus , a charitable organization that raises billions of DOLLARS to feed the hungry and provide an education for all children regardless " of age or lack of wisdom" Go look in the mirror and find a good name for yourself, use my imagination.
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Marcelino 02/21/2009 1:14:00 AM
para el Orgulloso Viejo:
Congratulations on pursuing your dreams in light of the horrific enslavement your father had to endure with the awful brasero program by the US gov. And most definitely it is wonderful to not only see your children but grandchildren succeeding in their lives.
I just would add that the measure of a person is not how much they have earned monetarily but instead by how much they have contributed to society betterment as a whole. Placing worth solely on wealth, revenue streams, and ownership of property is but the minor things that life has to offer for us. The West has these values ingrained since the rise of its empires and have led to create havoc and destruction to this very day.
Therefore all children have worth regardless of age or lack of wisdom. Systemic problems do exist just like any system and those problems must be address. We cannot simply shrug off problems as if they were non-existent. Indeed education is about gaining wisdom to not only know what is at hand but also being able to see what is to be achieved.
Once the human mind starts rolling in such observations, it can begin to create or strategize possible solutions to implement. Indeed wisdom, Viejo, is to know that we must work until we die for all our families and simply making money ain't going to cut it.
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Proud Viejo 02/18/2009 9:24:00 AM
Re: Hard work or Education for Mexicans. My father came as a Brazero and later brought me and mama. I was put in the first grade at 9 years old in 1959 since I could not speak English. My name was changed to one they could pronounce, I was the only kid from Mexico. I once tried to speak spanish to a brown kid and I was sent to the office to be paddled. I barely made it to the 8th grade at 16 and was "graduated". I loved books and could read well, but that was it. I started being paid for farm work at 10 and worked farm labor until age 18, then got a job pushing a broom in cold storage where I was again the only Mexican. Everybody treated me like a pet yard dog, once they all got drunk and hung me by my feet from a forklift, but the same "Okies" Arkies" helped me set up my house when I once came back from Mexico with a wife and two kids. I got one of their jobs and was chosen to be their union shop stewart because I had more education than they did. All but one of those old guys is dead now, I still visit him. At 27 with 4 kids, I was working 8 hours and going to school another 8 for two years. I became a salesman, importer exporter, was partner in manufacturing company. I retired at 47, got bored and went into real estate sales. I make comfortable money .. 100 to 200 K /year. I live in a modest 50 year old track home among gringoes and Mexican laborers, I got a simple litte vacation"casita" in the mountains for fun. Two of my kids have bussines of their own ( over a million a year). I would say that education or hard work is the same. I see a lot of Gringo and Mexican kids who aren't worth a
Sh%$#T, even with an education. No body gives you a chance at nothing, just have to "grab your huevos" and jump in. If all you acomplish in a day is at least enough to feed and house your family for the next day, just don't wait to be given anything and dont make anybody else responsible for your responsabilities. Education or not, White or Brown, eventualy all we do is work,sleep,shit and then we die. Me I forget the past and hug and kiss my half Mexican /Gringo grandkids along with the all Mexican ones.
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Rachel Delgado 02/18/2009 7:33:00 AM
Too many variables and it would be unfair to lump up everyone.
But in my opinion I believe :
High population density.
Desperate students unable to make a clear decision in major so they turn to teaching as default to pay bills, getting pregnant, etc. creating generations of mediocrity, cheating students of a decent instructor.
Emphasis on sports even during the budget crisis sports in the University down to Middle school has yet to be cut out, showing that even in crisis Special ed services get reduced when in reality off campus sports can be provided in community.
Music and art programs which are essential and rather than blending of art and math to make it palatable to student (spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down)
Problems being emphasized rather than looking for solutions, different learning styles are not encouraged.
A few opinions
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Rachel Delgado 02/18/2009 7:32:00 AM
Too many variables and it would be unfair to lump up everyone.
But in my opinion I believe :
High population density.
Desperate students unable to make a clear decision in major so they turn to teaching as default to pay bills, getting pregnant, etc. creating generations of mediocrity, cheating students of a decent instructor.
Emphasis on sports even during the budget crisis sports in the University down to Middle school has yet to be cut out, showing that even in crisis Special ed services get reduced when in reality off campus sports can be provided in community.
Music and art programs which are essential and rather than blending of art and math to make it palatable to student (spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down)
Problems being emphasized rather than looking for solutions, different learning styles are not encouraged.
A few opinions
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L.A. Wab 02/18/2009 12:41:00 AM
If the parents don't put an emphasis on education, chances are that the kids won't, either. Blame lazy and/or uneducated parents. Obviously, the individual themselves must put in the effort too.
Bad teachers, bad teaching methods, not accommodating to student needs: it affects ALL students, not just a certain race, gender or age.
I have seen adults talk to the young as if they are stupid, or in a whatever mood. I talk to dum-dums all the time. Point is, if more ppl would talk like they cared, there would be less dum-dums out there.
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oldvato 02/17/2009 5:29:00 PM
These students don't want to be the only pendejo to raise his hand in class and ask a question. But all he has to do is look around him and he will see that he is not the only pendejo in class with a blank stare.
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Gustavo Arellano 02/17/2009 12:45:00 AM
beaner4life: I may be lazy, but my answer to that pendejo was perfect!
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beaner4life 02/16/2009 11:23:00 PM
I would have liked to have seen a better come back than the one given regarding the "No so proud of my heritage". I think you're just getting lazy - You Mexican! :D
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Go Gustavo! 02/15/2009 11:30:00 PM
SHOW THOSE GABACHOS WHAT'S UP!
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El Gringo 02/14/2009 5:24:00 AM
It certainly is not true that all Mexicans are plant specialists. "Everyone" knows that "all Mexican boys" are "natural mechanics" and can fix any car.
As for education, I still don't understand why my Chicana daughter was told to drop out of English class in an OC high school and learn Korean. Her equally bilingual Ingl�Espa�brother is now a freshman in high school and acing Sophomore Spanish; don't know when or if they will ever get into literature as opposed to repetitive verb drills.
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El Gringo 02/14/2009 5:17:00 AM
It certainly is not true that all Mexicans are plant specialists. "Everyone" knows that "all Mexican boys" are "natural mechanics" and can fix any car.
As for education, I still don't understand why my Chicana daughter was told to drop out of English class in an OC high school and learn Korean. Her equally bilingual Ingl�Espa�brother is now a freshman in high school and acing Sophomore Spanish; don't know when or if they will ever get into literature as opposed to repetitive verb drills.
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Marcelino 02/14/2009 4:40:00 AM
Gustavo, Rocky, Urbanleftbehind, & Francisco -- Right the fuck on!
I currently work in a tutoring program for students who were left behind by their schools and I can tell you that not one student wants to do any math (or any subject really) if they don't know what the heck it is. They each were hindered somewhere in their academic careers to the point where several key concepts of basic mathematics like fractions were never taught. I quickly learned that they were not lazy nor much less dumb...by far the opposite is what I saw in each of the students. Indeed I saw confusion as a result of true curiosity to comprehend this basic notions.
Unfortunately this confusion was never harness by teachers due to various factors and constraints as each of us is aware in the city of Los Angeles. And this confusion turned to frustration which in turn cause many students to be turned off by mathematics (and I'm sure the same can be said for language arts and any other subject).
Thus for sure there's a clear need for teachers - that is folks who teach, not just passively wait for the students to absorb the knowledge. But instead teachers who engage the students in a dialogue of figuring out together what the fuck is a fraction or anything else that furthers the understanding of the subject be it math or anything else.
Although I only been tutoring for a month I have my childhood experience of growing in the same decrepit education system of Los Angeles and so I totally can see exactly what my students see. I know first hand the confusion that the teachers and textbooks give and see a great NEED to move more to a pedagogical shift in the likes of Paulo Freire.
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Francisco Blancas 02/13/2009 11:01:00 PM
Not Proud= Shame on you to blame kids of your shortcomings and lack of real vocation, there are family/economic/social factors keeping these kids to do better, and you're just too stupid or too lazy to look in to it.
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urbanleftbehind 02/13/2009 8:36:00 PM
Not proud:
This recession will eventually do for Mexican middle-school and HS kids what the contraction of the steel industry did for Polacks and Italians and other immigrant descendents in the Rust Belt circa the late 70s and early 80s. It will make them appreciate education because those manual labor jobs that their parents had will have withered away due to many factors, such as more DIY, eating in, and increases in passive (e-verify) and active (raids) enforcement. Education has never really been revered in this country to the extent that it is in Asia. If most white native born people could do the same industrial jobs as their great grandparents and at the same adjusted wage level, the CSU and UC campuses would be ghost towns. Its just that the Mexican has been "market dominant" in fields that require little advanced education, and as long as they have the hook-up, why bother with that book learning. In south central, a football coach merely has to keep the big strong black kid away from the gangs, but he has to keep the big stong Mexican kid from the gang and the work truck.
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rocky 02/13/2009 8:24:00 PM
Great answer to "Disgrace/Not Proud to be a Hispanic". Ese pendejo needs to know the difference between teaching and education; and motivating versus collecting a pinche' paycheck.
Echele.
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rocky 02/13/2009 8:24:00 PM
Great answer to "Disgrace/Not Proud to be a Hispanic". Ese pendejo needs to know the difference between teaching and education; and motivating versus collecting a pinche' paycheck.
Echele.
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CB 02/13/2009 7:26:00 PM
To Not Proud of My Heritage: It�s not just Hispanic kids that are laze, it�s 90% of school kids. I recently took an ROP course in Computer Repair thinking (stupidly) that it would help me prepare to complete my A+ certification exam. The class had 6 adults and 12 or so high school students. The students can take the after hours course and then they can leave school early 2 days a week. I have never seen students so disenfranchised. They text, talk on the phone, read graphic novels, really anything but listen, read the chapter and take the tests. I finished at the top with a 97.5% and really didn�t even break a sweat. The average scores were in the 60�s (D-F range). Many did not finish the class. Only one other adult finished the class. The class was a joke. 8 year old computers and a teacher that knew less that I did about computer repair.