Sleepers Awake!

Bigg Jus and Nikola Tesla and the Lunar Hip-Hop Robot Camera

You sound like you have a sense of duty.

I have a strong sense of duty. It's personally reflective of Sept. 11—we're coming up on the five-year anniversary. That's the neighborhood I creatively got my start in. I lived with El-P on Murray Street, which is right before the World Trade Center. We were there when they tried to blow it up in 1993, and I started Subverse Records only a couple of blocks away in 1999. And I literally ended up losing everything because of Sept. 11. And when you come to find out the exact events—exactly what happened—I was blown away. That it was a government-engineered plot! I went into a depression and came out with a sense of duty—like, "Fuck this! This isn't going down!" We have to inform and wake up the people. To this day, many people have no idea. I probably tell more people about Sept. 11 than anything else. Every single day!

What do you mean by government-engineered plot?

Literally controlled demolition. It's not for me to tell you—it's for you to figure out. Five years now, and they've concealed so much, and so many other things have come out. Three buildings came down. 7 World Trade Center was a secret office for the CIA, the Securities Exchange Commission, the Secret Service building whenever the president came to town, Giuliani's bunker, the FBI—the whole entire building was an intelligence building. And it came down in 6.4 seconds. It wasn't hit by a plane or anything. It's at www.wtc7.net. The 9/11 commission didn't even mention it—like a footnote in the index, page 500 at the bottom. But you watch and you tell me! Buildings don't melt, and this building melted! And the fact that they were running five different war games—it was the same thing in London. They do war games and the war games go live! They're trying a scenario and it goes into real time. The Madrid bombing and the London bombing and 9/11—all the same thing. They keep on using the same playbook over and over. And people are really not waking up.

Is America on the last downhill slope?

We are at a fucked-up time. Civil liberties as you know it are about to  change. They're about to rewrite the Constitution. They're doing it everyday: warrantless wiretaps, checking your bank account . . . Everything at this particular time is free rein, and it's only getting worse. If they start a war in Iran—if you keep doing things wrong, they're gonna come back and bite you, and that's Iran. They wanna hit them just to keep themselves in office. And that's gonna backfire like crazy. But the plan in the Middle East is to fracture it into little warring factions. Bernard Lewis created the term Lebanization. The foreign policy paper states just that: keep them divided. Divide and conquer. It's for a greater control of oil—creating this melee to keep on top. But it's stupid.

What do you think will happen in your lifetime?

What I'm hoping—why it's more important to me to make music to help people wake up—is if we don't stop and try and take control, we won't be able to put this country on the right path. We will literally be too far gone. The war on terrorism does not exist—but if we go into Iran and we push that next button, then we will have a war on terrorism. We will have suicide bombers in the U.S. I'm a big believer in "don't call death because death will come if you call it." And that's exactly where we are at. You call for a war on terror? You're about to get it! And then you'll understand what's real and what's fake. And once they do have a real terror attack—we'll get locked down. With these people in power? Martial law in effect. You see how bad they get when the plots are fake.

So now what?

What do you believe in? What do you support? Where is your patriotism? Do you really love this country? If you do, the ideals you support and the reasons you thought you were getting when you elected Bush—it's now time to separate the political parties from the ideals, and if you hold true to your patriotism, now is the time to really start believing in that and start fighting for it. I'm not talking physical fighting, but I'm a strong believer that if you get 5 million people surrounding the White House and they camp out, you will get that fool out of office! You will make your mark—it's a still a government of the people, though people don't necessarily realize that.

You remember the big joke of 2004: "This election was a mess—good thing it's the last one we'll ever have."

That can damn near be true! I'm a big watcher of Fox News—it turned out to be the mouthpiece of the administration. If you listen to them, they tell you we're in a world war. They try and get you ready. They tell you you're going to lose your liberties.

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