WEIRD LIGHT, WEIRD HEAT

Out On The Streets, Its A Weird War

Doesthatoffendyou,asanAmerican?

It makes me wonder. This stuff is very emotional. Almost a religion thing—very basic, a desire to please your parents. It's just stupid—well, it's not stupid. It's a primitive sense of need.

Howdoyoubreakthroughthat?

Make the opposition glamorous? I don't know.

Doyouthinkwe'llseethecollapseofAmericainourownlifetimes?

I think it's very close—closer than anybody understands. Everybody is taught cradle-to-grave to look out for themselves. There's no community structure. And what are you going to do with that? What do you do with an ideology of selfish individualism and acquiring things? All anybody cares about is their own security and control.

That'snationalpolicytoo.

It's so bankrupt. Like you say, it offends me as an American. Everything good about this country is being wrecked. At one point, Americans were envied: we were free of the class stratification that haunted the old world. We were glamorous. We ate well. We were handsome and dashing! [Laughs] That's all been squandered because of the greed of multinational corporations who decided to feed people Twinkies. That sounds like I'm relinquishing blame, but if the Twinkie company owns the TV company, what are you gonna do?

Butisthisreallythelastdays,orarewejusthavingfunbullshittingaboutapocalypse?

I'm torn. On one hand, Bush is not an aberration—he's the way things are going. And the collapse could happen and we could not even know it. Nobody knew that America went into decline in 1970—these things happen without people necessarily understanding. The British Empire didn't disappear. It slipped away.

SohowwouldAmericafallapart?Wedon'thaveanystatuestotopple.

Americans won't go into the streets because they watch too much TV. Some of them might roll into the streets—no, I'm joking. I don't want to get into America bashing. I am American and I love America. I'm not an arrogant European. But who knows what form? When these things happen, they're unimaginable. People still think the things they have are imbued with a luxury status, that they have power or control over their lives that doesn't really exist. That's why they call themselves middle class: "I have a TV, I'm middle class." Steven Spielberg would probably tell you he was middle class, and so would a crackhead on the street, because they were told they were middle class. Nobody can imagine being the lowest of the low or the highest of the high. To Americans, there are only two people who aren't middle class. You understand. More and more, the U.S. is coming to resemble Brazil or Mexico: an incredibly rich hyper-class, with no middle class.

Youknownoonewhoreadsthisisgoingtotakeanyofitseriously.

Oh yeah—like it's "pretentious." It's very weird. If you have an idea, it's considered pretentious.

Wesoundlikelunatics.

That's another way they've destroyed political dissent.

Weshouldprobablytalkaboutmusictoo.Imeanttotellyou,Ithoughtyoumadeaprettygoodrecord.

Thanks, I think it's pretty listenable.


WEIRD WAR WITH THE ROLLING BLACKOUTS AND HELLO FEVER AT THE GLASS HOUSE, 200 W. SECOND ST., POMONA; WWW.THEGLASSHOUSE.US. THURS., JULY 14, 7:30 PM. $10. ALL AGES.

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