By Charles Lam
By R. Scott Moxley
By Taylor Hamby
By Matt Coker
By R. Scott Moxley
By Charles Lam
By LP Hastings
By Taylor Hamby
A10-year-old mission viejo schoolgirl was recently suspended for bringing a small cap gun to school. The toy violated the Capistrano Unified School District's ban on imitation firearms and comes in the wake of several deadly student shootings across the country.
To some, the Mission Viejo case is an excellent example of zero tolerance sending a strong message. Others see it as completely over the top, an affront to common sense. Sam Guy, director of the Irvine-based Center for Excellence in Traditional Education Values Coalition, has been outspoken in his views on stronger discipline in the classroom through the development of the organization's "Who Asked You?" program. The center has also supported having not only teens treated as adults in the judicial system, but also the unborn and most breeds of dog.
But the center has also been a strong supporter of the National Rifle Association. In fact, Guy was an executive producer on the short-lived Charlton Heston Presents: Captain Colt and the Ammo Pals' Saturday Morning Special cartoon series.
Because he's right in the middle of the argument-law and order vs. gun rights-we thought Guy would have some interesting views on the Mission Viejo situation. But he was hesitant, agreeing to talk to us only after we agreed to discuss with him a group of Christian teens in Tustin who had recently signed pledges not to have sex until their wedding nights.
OC Weekly: So, about Mission Viejo . . .
Sam Guy: Try her as an adult.
Uh . . . yeah. Really. She broke the rules. She brought a gun to school. A cap gun. On a key chain. Buried in a backpack. She's pretty much Manson, so let's throw her up the river with Big Mama and the girl from Diff'rent Strokes and . . .
Now wait, are you being serious?
Of course. She broke the rules, and rules are rules. Can't be breaking the rules, you know: no cap guns, no prayer in school, no Bibles on campus.
I don't think bringing a Bible to school is against the rules.
Trust me: first it's the cap guns, then it's the Bibles, and pretty soon, we're all marching around a stadium doing synchronized shovel maneuvers.
So what are you saying? You really think the girl got a raw deal? Or that she should be punished?
I'm saying the rules are enforced with bias. Here, let me illustrate this hypothetically. Let's say a couple of high school kids are having sex in the back seat of a car.
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And let's say a man has been videotaping them by hiding up in the old oak tree that sits just off the park's parking lot-you know, the one by the recycling dumpster.
Sure, I know the one.
And let's say, to give the tape some production value-since Johnny Jock Strap doesn't know more than two moves: up and down-the man uses a laser pointer to highlight . . . certain areas. Now, when the police come, it's a lady cop who really shows very little respect for taxpayers or technology. Who do you think gets charged with a crime?
The guy in the tree.
You see the absurdity? High school kids are allowed to have sex while those who would document their misdeeds for evidence, for use at a later time-you know, after editing and adding a bass line-are punished. I'm all for law and order, but you can tell a lot about a society by what laws it chooses to enforce. I mean, I'm not defending the girl, but did you see the size of the gun? It was teeny. Here, look at the picture in the LA Times.
Actually, I think it looks rather large.
Oh, come on. You really think she could have killed anyone with that? Maybe she squeezes off a round or two, but if all teachers and students are wearing flak jackets as we have suggested . . .
No, really, it looks just like the gun that killed Lincoln.
Oh, so she's assassinating the president?
I didn't say . . .
A little gun like this is not going to fire a shot strong enough to . . .
Lincoln was shot in the head at close range.
Look, even if she could get by the Secret Service, which I doubt, how would a third grader be able to reach high enough to shoot Lincoln in the head? He was over 6 feet tall, you know. You really need to read your history.
He was sitting down.
. . . Kids are not having sex in Tustin, got an answer for that? You want to ban that? Put them in sexual-intercourse re-education camps? Oh, wait, we already have those. What do they call them? Oh, yeah: public schools.
This is really killing you, isn't it? Law and order on one side, and guns on the other.
What do you think? I believe guns can teach kids a lot about responsibility and history if just given the chance. For example, we developed a wonderful character named Uzi for the NRA's "Aim for the Head" after-school honors program. People were telling us that Uzi was going to be bigger than Joe Camel, but then there were those minor incidents . . .
Blood-drenched school-yard massacres?
I say, "potato"; you say, "potato." Anyway, after that, it suddenly wasn't "politically correct" to present kids with a hard-drinking, stock-car-driving talking machine gun who chews tobacco and lives in an Idaho bunker with his five wives and his best friend, a wise-cracking grenade launcher.
But you're the one who said kids should be held accountable, that they should have to follow the letter of the law in school. So even if it wasn't a gun, let's say the school district had said no one can bring a Pez dispenser to school or you'll be suspended. You'd be all for that, right?
My anti-Pez views are well-known.
Okay, so how is it any different for a toy gun?
Listen, guns don't kill kids. . . .
Kids kill kids?
No, sex! Sex kills kids. Here we are talking about all this negative trash, and we've completely ignored the fact that kids are not having sex in Tustin.
Oh, no: kids are having sex in Tustin.
Really? You have tape?
No. I just mean that kids have sex. And I tell you what: a lot of them don't have sex. I know a lot of people who didn't get laid in high school, but they didn't go around announcing it.
I was in Key Club.
See, to me, this Tustin thing is the height of arrogance. "I'm not going to have sex!" Who's asking you? You're so hot that everyone is standing in line to have sex with you? Like they can't find another 17-year-old who wants to have sex? Oh, yeah,there's a dying breed: teenagers who want to do it, you know what I mean?
If anything, I'll bet most of the kids who signed those pledges did so because they couldn't get laid-and now they have an excuse. "Oh, I'm not getting laid because I wrote something in Magic Marker." And I'll tell you what else: any guy who writes on one of those cards that he's not going to have sex is lying. Guys are going to have sex. In fact, I'll bet you every one of those guys who was writing on those cards that he was not going to have sex was thinking as he was writing that hewas going to have sex: "Man, this is going to get me laid for sure." That's how guys think. "Hey, chicks will be really comfortable around me, and they'll think I'm principled-which chicks dig. Plus, I'll be like a challenge for them to conquer, and before you know it, I'll be nailing more Christians than Pontius Pilate." Forget cards. Guys will do or tell girlsanything. They'll say they don't want to have sex, that they just want to hold them, you know, with no clothes on, in the dark on a bed. Not to have sex, of course, just because they want to be as close as . . . Guys are going to get sex, am I right?
I was also A.V.